New Issue of Entertainment Weekly to feature TMNT...amongst other things

[DevilSpooky]

Originally Posted by Xav

Oh come on. That was a temporary state he was in in volume 4, which he was eventually cured of, literally 3 pages later.

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

So...let me get this straight.

You show a time where Raph turned into pretty much a Dinosaur to prove your point?? Am I missing something here? I'm not trying to be rude but...seriously?

Or are you insinuating that this is the plot of the movie and that's why the Turtles look this way, lol.

Just stating that writers do certain things to entertain us, why is it ok to change one turtles into a dino reject and make him destroy walls and rip robots apart with his bare hands but make them break bricks and smash humvees is not?

People hating on this movie are quick to complain about everything in it, but at the same time are willing to accept everything that comes out of Peter's mind, no matter how stupid and unrealistic it is.

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Come on ^_^
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Just that alone looks awesome to me at least

Agreed. Now all we need is to see this officially.

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

And yet in this film they have Raph...well...'Raph Smash' & destroy an Armored Humvee. I don't think Raphael has ever been known for doing that stuff.

Breaking down a door or even a weakened wall? That'd be one thing. This? Just silly and a completely different matter.

'Raph smash'? I hate that comparison ... he backhands a Foot soldier, and, um, uh ... he's big. Also, 'destroying' (really, he put a huge dent in it) a armored humvee isn't really THAT out there, with the context of everything else in that scene going on. TMNT has some pretty weird things going on in all franchises, and being thrown into a humvee and making a dent isn't the biggest 'out there' thing.

However, I see where this is all coming from. Size. They are huge. I don't think everyone's real problem is 'Raph smash'. It's that, when we see this big turtle size, we think of Hulk. We see him hit ONE DUDE with the back of his hand, and we see that comparison of Hulk. And because we haven't seen any martial arts yet, we blame the film of being 'Raph smash'. Isn't that a reach? It is at least for now, since we've hardly seen anything. And I don't think everyone's true problem is the Humvee being smashed, it's more the fact that, again, they are huge.

Which I get. But let's complain about what we truly want to complain about. And let's not draw a lot of conclusions either. We haven't seen 'Raph smash', at least I believe. We can't say there will be no martial arts in the film, since all we see in the trailers are a few flips and a cut of Donnie fighting the Foot (from behind). Also, we can't confirm there WILL be martial arts in the film, even if we do see them doing some flips in the trailer, Donnie fighting the Foot, and we've seen a few glimpses of some behind the scene stuff that has led us to believe what we believe.

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Its not like he runs up to it and smashes it with his bare hands dude. He is throught while traveling down the mountain and a very high speed, he Does a flip(very acrobatic) and connects with his shell, If a normal turtle shell can with stand over 2,900 pounds of pressure, then th increase size increase its strength relative to its size. they are Invulnerable but there shells are very strong.

Very reasonable approach to the scene.

Originally Posted by electric_sheep

Name me one other time where any turtle completly crushed a Humwee with their back?

That is a flawed argument. When have we seen this exact same event in the turtles franchise happen before? It hasn't? Say whaaaa? Then I'm going to complain about it.

We don't want a cut and paste movie here, guys. No one does. Even the negative people. If we saw the EXACT same fight sequences, heard the EXACT same lines, saw the EXACT same events as past TMNT cartoons, movies, comics, etc, then it would be the most boring thing ever.

They were trying to make this movie different, and the way they tried to do that was to make things very, very different. As in, change a lot (for better or for worse). They don't want to be a copy of versions in the past, and I'm glad they didn't. (However, they could've easily made a great film with more traditional TMNT elements.)

The reason we haven't seen Raph slam into a Humvee before and put a dent into it is because, in past versions, they haven't been this big. Also, there isn't a lot of snow on huge vast hills in New York. And, usually, there aren't armored cars chasing the turtles sliding down their backs during the certain snow scene because THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE.

If we are just sticking to what has happened before, if we just want to be copies of the past, nothing would ever go anywhere. If we aren't up for change, any change, and are always asking ourselves when something has previously happened, we'll never be content with what we get. Ever.

Originally Posted by Xav

Most of the turtles stories take place in modern day New York, and I never heard anyone complain about the Foot using ninja weapons. Even the Fred Wolf Foot had ninja weapons in the old toon in addition too their ray guns. Hell it makes no sense why the turtles would use ancient martial arts weapons against soldiers with modern arms. We might as well give them guns too because Raph used them in bodycount.

Just a thought, but ... would you guys have preferred military Foot soldiers, or robot Foot soldiers that would have a familiar Bay touch on them? I'm seriously asking. Personally ... I don't know.

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

So...let me get this straight.

You show a time where Raph turned into pretty much a Dinosaur to prove your point?? Am I missing something here? I'm not trying to be rude but...seriously?

You said earlier, speaking of humvees and 'smashes', that "I don't think Raphael has ever been known for doing that stuff." You know what else he wasn't known for? Turning into a dinosaur. You see, things change. Creative teams go out of their way to make things new and exciting for everyone.

And, Peter Laird, the co-creator behind the TMNT movie, approved of this. And guess what? I think it's a cool, interesting story that I'll be happy to read someday! Because I'm not allergic to change, and I'll be open to seeing something new, even if it isn't what I prefer the most.

We can't just be critical of this new movie for change in things like size, just because it was 'changed'. Yes, we can dislike it, but I'm not sure we can put changes like size change down as negative while being positive about similar things in other versions of the turtles.

Originally Posted by DevilSpooky

Just stating that writers do certain things to entertain us, why is it ok to change one turtles into a dino reject and make him destroy walls and rip robots apart with his bare hands but make them break bricks and smash humvees is not?

People hating on this movie are quick to complain about everything in it, but at the same time are willing to accept everything that comes out of Peter's mind, no matter how stupid and unrealistic it is.

Well said, even though I may not agree with the 'stupid and unrealistic' aspect.

I just want to say I have nothing against anyone that I'm replying to, even if I may be passionate. It's late. Sorry if I may have offended anyone, or came off as angry, and I'm really not trying to start any arguments, even though I felt like I had to say something and touch on this subject.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Galactus

I can't recall an instance of it. In fact I'm willing to go out on a limb and say it's never happened in the franchise before this.

Well, Leo did crack the concrete in Blind Sight when he fell down a several stories building and became concrete pizza. Besides getting skewered by his own sword, he also broke several bones by the impact. (And died ofc)

But, that was a what if scenario.

Originally Posted by DevilSpooky

Spoiler:

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Spoiler:

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Just saying...

And, when Raph hulked out after being bitten by Vampires, he was first just a rage monster. And when he got his mind set right, he was still a lumbering giant, had to make adjustments for his big bulky size.

[pennydreadful]

Originally Posted by Sewer Sirens Podcast

Just a thought, but ... would you guys have preferred military Foot soldiers, or robot Foot soldiers that would have a familiar Bay touch on them? I'm seriously asking. Personally ... I don't know.

I actually feel that robot Foot would've suited Bay's style better - I would have been quite happy if they'd gone that route!

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Sighphi

Can you explain why bricks break when Leo lands from that jump?

I might be wrong here but.. " F = m g h / s "
Maybe the bricks were old? Did you not see how high that tower was? If we're gonna nit pick like this we can go ALLL DAYYY LONGG on other superhero films including the untouchable Marvel franchises lol.

Originally Posted by Galactus

^^^

Which kind of goes against the who stealth thing if they can't perform an action like that without damaging their surroundings.

Of course as I've pointed out this will conveniently not happen when the script doesn't call for them to. Just like Mike's chains wont jangle or Raph's shades wont fall off his head; that's just the magic of these things not being real.

However it still seems wrong.

You haven't read the script...? am I missing something here? How do you know they will be wearing this stuff the entire film. In the trailer it seemed like they were being pretty stealthy to me when they were taking out the foot from the shadows. Just bc he damaged a couple bricks while NOT trying to be stealthy doesn't mean he is unable to be when necessary. Everyday its a different straw around here lol

Originally Posted by xChri5x

THIS lol is such an accurate representation of what some of us do here on a daily basis lol. I should make it my signature lol.

Originally Posted by DevilSpooky

Just stating that writers do certain things to entertain us, why is it ok to change one turtles into a dino reject and make him destroy walls and rip robots apart with his bare hands but make them break bricks and smash humvees is not?

People hating on this movie are quick to complain about everything in it, but at the same time are willing to accept everything that comes out of Peter's mind, no matter how stupid and unrealistic it is.

You're absolutely correct dude.. No offense to anyone personally but, it's honestly mind boggling. Also.. if you point this out you get the " What, it's my opinion, Am I supposed to love EVERYTHING this franchise has to offer? So I'm not a fan if I don't like this movie? Why do you guys get so mad just bc we state our opinions on this crap? " BUT... lol if someone points out just ONE fault with the original live film? all hell breaks loose lol. Let one of us go into a thread about the original film and start ripping it apart the way this film has been ripped apart and see how " tolerant " people are. Not saying that I find any fault in the first film. As of right now it's my favorite piece of TMNT. But some of the stuff people gripe about with this film and ONLY this film seems unjustified.. and yet all these other films get free passes? It's just... whatever.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

I might be wrong here but.. " F = m g h / s "
Maybe the bricks were old? Did you not see how high that tower was? If we're gonna nit pick like this we can go ALLL DAYYY LONGG on other superhero films including the untouchable Marvel franchises lol.

You haven't read the script...? am I missing something here? How do you know they will be wearing this stuff the entire film. In the trailer it seemed like they were being pretty stealthy to me when they were taking out the foot from the shadows. Just bc he damaged a couple bricks while NOT trying to be stealthy doesn't mean he is unable to be when necessary. Everyday its a different straw around here lol

One of two things with this thought process.

1. He's right and Leo breaks bricks by landing in one scene and then they can flip and move silently with no impact upon landing in others so they can be ninja. Just internal inconsistency (something I've ripped Man of Steel apart for) if one scene their weight has this much affect on their surroundings and in others they don't.

2. He's wrong and all scenes will have such effect, in which case, how are they silent and stealthy ninja?


You noted the equation. If they are stealthy in some and not in others, because Leo didn't want to be stealthy in that scene, then we're also suggesting they can alter physics to suit their desire for stealth.

I dunno. I just don't expect the look of them to lend itself to traditional silence and stealth you think of with ninjas. But then, it's a Hollywood brain-dead action flick. I don't expect a lot of internal consistency and remotely any logic.

Michael Bay specifically? Bad Boys II taught me to not expect rational plot.
Hollywood as a whole? They made A Good Day to Die Hard.

Damn youse, Hollywood....


Oh, and if you think nobody criticizes the original films, you're crazy. Secret of the Ooze and III get a lot of flak, even if the original largely gets defense. Rotten Tomatoes shows the decline of general public opinion on them as well.

Then again, the Transformers films are all fairly rotten on there, but the International box office LOOOOVES them. Though TMNT doesn't have giant robots, so we'll see if mutants are loved internationally as much as hot cars and robots.

[Pondslider]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

2. He's wrong and all scenes will have such effect, in which case, how are they silent and stealthy ninja?

It would be awesome if this was the case. Everywhere they go they leave foot prints in concrete. They rip doors off the hinges just by opening them and then destroy the frame by walking through. April invites them to her apartment and they smash all her furniture.

[slingtheory]

Originally Posted by DevilSpooky

Just stating that writers do certain things to entertain us, why is it ok to change one turtles into a dino reject and make him destroy walls and rip robots apart with his bare hands but make them break bricks and smash humvees is not?

People hating on this movie are quick to complain about everything in it, but at the same time are willing to accept everything that comes out of Peter's mind, no matter how stupid and unrealistic it is.

I think there's quite a bit of difference between having a temporary storyline where a character hulks out and is capable of great feats of strength only until its resolved and straight up reimagining a character as being stronger than they should be be from the outset.

[snooz]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

One of two things with this thought process.

1. He's right and Leo breaks bricks by landing in one scene and then they can flip and move silently with no impact upon landing in others so they can be ninja. Just internal inconsistency (something I've ripped Man of Steel apart for) if one scene their weight has this much affect on their surroundings and in others they don't.

2. He's wrong and all scenes will have such effect, in which case, how are they silent and stealthy ninja?


You noted the equation. If they are stealthy in some and not in others, because Leo didn't want to be stealthy in that scene, then we're also suggesting they can alter physics to suit their desire for stealth.

For your own information, you need to stand up and try this: First, jump up as high as you can, and land softly. Next, jump again as high as you can, and land with a thud. You will be amazed at your own ability to alter physics! And you aren't even a mutant ninja turtle, you're just a regular human (do you even know ninja? Or yoga? Can you even jog on a treadmill for 30 seconds without needing medical attention?!)


The fact that this is the kind of **** that people are upset about with this movie is incredible. Who cares, it is a ****ing movie about mutant turtles. Just let it entertain you. If you can't get past this kind of thing in a movie, then I don't understand how you can be a fan of this genre in the first place. This is just far too nit-picky.

[Candy Kappa]

As a comment on the brick breaking jump from Leo. I think it would have been less of an issue, had the Turtles had a more traditional size to them, and considering the things we've seen in the trailers: Leo cracking some brick from landing, Raph impacting a Humvee and punts a Foot off-screen.

it piles up, from several small red dots to a big blinking warning light

[slingtheory]

that's the problem I have with it anyway. when taken altogether it implies the turtles have some super solider attributes and that's something I don't want to see from them

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by snooz

For your own information, you need to stand up and try this: First, jump up as high as you can, and land softly. Next, jump again as high as you can, and land with a thud. You will be amazed at your own ability to alter physics! And you aren't even a mutant ninja turtle, you're just a regular human (do you even know ninja? Or yoga? Can you even jog on a treadmill for 30 seconds without needing medical attention?!)

Sound of impact and altering the force of impact to landing light as a feather versus landing with enough force to crumble brick aren't exactly identical.

Nice insults, though, Internet tough guy.

The fact that this is the kind of **** that people are upset about with this movie is incredible. Who cares, it is a ****ing movie about mutant turtles. Just let it entertain you. If you can't get past this kind of thing in a movie, then I don't understand how you can be a fan of this genre in the first place. This is just far too nit-picky.

This is the mentality that dictates Batman Forever was as good as The Dark Knight. Batman Forever was a ****ing movie about a guy dressed as a bat. Just let it entertain you. If you didn't find it awesome, I don't know how you can be a fan of comic book movie genre in the first place.

For the moment, I'm talking hypothetical, but my point is I expect internal consistency within the film.

If Raph's shell can damage a humvee like it does, I wouldn't expect them being struck in the shell by a baseball bat to even phase them, nor any other blunt weapon swung by a human. If they go with Blue Door influence and their shells are bullet resistant, I question how much damage other weapons could do to the shell as well.

If Leo's weight is enough that it damages brick upon landing, I expect the same principle applied throughout a film.

If Raph can backhand a human off like they were nothing, I don't expect him to struggle against a human in combat.

And these may all remain consistent throughout the film, we don't know. It's just hypothetical examples.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

If Raph's shell can damage a humvee like it does, I wouldn't expect them being struck in the shell by a baseball bat to even phase them, nor any other blunt weapon swung by a human. If they go with Blue Door influence and their shells are bullet resistant, I question how much damage other weapons could do to the shell as well.

If Raph can backhand a human off like they were nothing, I don't expect him to struggle against a human in combat.

And these may all remain consistent throughout the film, we don't know. It's just hypothetical examples.

I very much agree with all of that.

Plus weren't there folks being thrown back & around like they were Rag Dolls (subway or docks stuff) in the promotional material? If so, wouldn't that also further enhance that 'super strength' factor? And if people bring up 'well, the older films had folks being thrown like that'...these are the same people that do say that the original films were more cartoony than realistic.

But the same people keep bringing up that this film is supposed to be 'a more realistic approach'. The same people who say 'well, the reason they look like they do is because it'd be More Realistic for them to look that way'.

So if you are going to bring up that realistic card, then the only Realistic Way people will be thrown around like they were Rag Dolls is if the Turtles have Much More Enhanced Strength. To me, that would be boring.

And if that's the case, then it begs the question...why wouldn't combat be nothing but an Easy Breeze for these Turtles in this movie? Which again, to me that would make it Boring, not Exciting.

[Candy Kappa]

The Foot is powerless without their guns and stun rods

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

The Foot is powerless without their guns and stun rods

And those awesome martial arts which they are gonna use against the turtles

[Glados]

I suddenly came to think... In the toy pictures we see that Raph has a huge crack running down the back of his shell, and in the trailer it appears that he has pieces of scrap metal in a cross attached to his shell... I'm wondering if this can actually imply that Raph indeed bit over more then he could chew in that snow-escape scene and perhaps Don had to do some improvised first-aid to at least try preventing it from getting worse until they can get to safety?

Just me randomly putting things together based on very little here, but I'm interested in knowing how and if (big if here) any of this connects in the actual film.

[Candy Kappa]

Turtle shells can handle a lot of pressure, but they can still crack or get pierced. It's not unlikely Raph gets majorly injured with the humvee impact.

Cause remember. One of the more effective methods of braking a turtle's shell is gravity. Just ask turtle meat hungry birds of prey.

[Jester]

I think a lot of the concern for size is the Turtles got amped up to "superhero" status...but the Foot are still just normal humans. It's hard to have them be a threat if they're just some guy going up against the newly huge Turtles.

[Candy Kappa]

Sadly, short guys can rarely be the heroes in movies.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by Jester

I think a lot of the concern for size is the Turtles got amped up to "superhero" status...but the Foot are still just normal humans. It's hard to have them be a threat if they're just some guy going up against the newly huge Turtles.

Thank you. That sums up my own feelings on it perfectly.

And when I watch a Turtles film, I'm not looking for 'superhero' stuff. I never thought of them nor ever wanted them to be amped up to 'superhero' status. To me, that would make it more boring. Not exciting.

I'm sorry, that is not what I look for in a Ninja Turtles film. Just because it's different doesn't mean (to me) that it's Good. The Turtles don't Need that. I just don't see what would be Exciting for them to be like that...

Maybe because I prefer films like Enter the Dragon as opposed to The Avengers (which I don't mind, but I like Enter the Dragon much more).