I think this will be a surprise hit

[Refractive Reflections]

Let me put it this way, it's going to no surprise it is a hit because of Bay's association and influence on the film. His films have almost all made over $400 million, and I'm sure Nickelodeon kept that in mind in making Bay involved with the project.

It would actually be a "surprise bomb" if this movie does horribly because the curiosity and nostalgia factors are huge here. So unless the critics rate this movie far worse than the Transformers movies, or the word of mouth is just that bad, I think we can be sure the movie will do well financially.

[Shark_Blade]

Transformers 4 got very VERY bad reviews (14% on rottentomatoes. But that site is debateable, they rate crap movies like The Muppets as 91% and Lego Movie 99%; I reckon most of the reviewers are just retarded old fools who just rate things based on nostalgic and bias rather than quality) but T4 still manage to collect $794,556,888 worldwide so far.

So even if the reviews are bad, I'm not worried. As long people buy tickets and watch it, we're okay. Reviews are not that reliable, judge it for yourself.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

they rate crap movies like The Muppets as 91% and Lego Movie 99%;

So because you think those movies are crap the whole world should to?

or are you to dumb to notice a well written story or real crap slapped together by hasbeens

iD wipe my Muppet loving ass with TMNT anyday just to See kermit drop kick Leonardo

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

So even if the reviews are bad, I'm not worried. As long people buy tickets and watch it, we're okay.

I hope audience numbers count just as much as tickets bought, because they're giving away an awful lot of free tickets via Crush.

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

im wipe my Muppet loving ass with TMNT anyday just to See kermit drop kick Leonardo

Oh no you didn't. *grabs swords* We're taking this outside...

[Xiewin]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

So because you think those movies are crap the whole world should to?

or are you to dumb to notice a well written story or real crap slapped together by hasbeens

iD wipe my Muppet loving ass with TMNT anyday just to See kermit drop kick Leonardo

Woah dude, slow down on the insults lol

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

So because you think those movies are crap the whole world should to?

or are you to dumb to notice a well written story or real crap slapped together by hasbeens

iD wipe my Muppet loving ass with TMNT anyday just to See kermit drop kick Leonardo

Wow so offensive, like I didn't even insult you but you insulted me. I'm upset, truly I am. Not. IDGAF.

And yes, it's crap as if it's written by a childish kindergartener. Truly terrible plot and pacing, terrible music and cringeworthy dance numbers. Poor characters aside from Kermit and Ms Piggy but that's not saying much. So many people walked out of the cinema when I watched it. Some slept through it. I stayed until the end, and as we walked out people were muttering among friends "who the heck recommended us to watch this??!", "I regret coming", "I hate the musics". My little sister even said: "worst movie ever" at that time.

[Xiewin]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Wow so offensive, like I didn't even insult you but you insulted me. I'm upset, truly I am. Not.

And yes, it's crap as if it's written by a childish kindergartener. Truly terrible plot and pacing, terrible music and cringeworthy dance numbers. Poor characters aside from Kermit and Ms Piggy but that's not saying much. So many people walked out of the cinema when I watched it. Some slept through it. I stayed until the end, and as we walked out people were muttering among friends "who the heck recommended us to watch this??!", "I regret coming", "I hate the musics". My little sister even said: "worst movie ever" at that time.

I actually thought the Muppets was a pretty bad movie too.

The Boston Ninja Turtle Im not trying to be offensive or anything, but considering the fact that you want others to respect your opinion, you should probably start doing the same.

[Shark_Blade]

Like I said, it's only my views and some others. If you disagree and enjoy it that's fine.

I'm happy that you're happy and enjoying it; having a good time that's what matters.

[sdp]

I think GotG has the potential to be the best Marvel movie since Iron Man which IMO has yet to be topped, however I just don't see it clicking as much as Ninja Turtles. I think TMNT however will get more money. Will the movie be any good? I truly have no idea, they took radical decisions in the production of the movie and if they use those radical ideas to their fullest and create an over the top fun crazy movie it could be great or it could just as easily fail.

The fandom here isn't getting what they wanted, and it gets unjustified hate here. I'm upset too that we won't get the Mirage movie we were promised years ago but this new take on the turtles could be fun. The the general consensus outside the drome isn't as bad and mostly positive, not even that mixed, much better than what the 2007 film had.

[Xiewin]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

so if he doesn't likes it its crap and and no one can question his godly word

but if i like it i should respect others opinions

but why do i know im just a sissy hater whiney not true fan fanboy right sharkblade


im done with this place.

What? I was referring to the fact that you questioned if he was dumb or not. That's all, I wasn't trying to offend you.

jeezzz...

[TheSkeletonMan939]

I imagine it'd be a fairly successful film if GotG wasn't one week ahead. Considering TMNT isn't all that popular as it used to be, and Marvel's the big thing now... I think Guardians will beat out TMNT on the latter film's opening weekend.

Also, I think GotG has better word of mouth.

[Shark_Blade]

How to Train Your Dragons 2 had great words of mouth too but it flopped and many of Dreamworks' employees were laid off. Same as Rise of the Guardians movie.

You can never really tell.

[Leo656]

Yeah, it's super hard to predict things anymore. I personally think coming out in mid-August when parents are buying back to school stuff and have already dragged their kids to the movies six times in one summer is going to be a big Wild Card in the mix. They know the DVD will be out well before Christmas; if they themselves don't want to see it in theaters, then little Timmy just may have to suck it up and wait.

Like anything else, it's impossible to predict with any certainty, but it's a factor, for sure.

[Coola Yagami]

People are expecting it to be a hit. I think it's gonna be a surprise bomb.

[Leo656]

Coola: A bomb in that it doesn't do well at all, or a bomb in that it makes its budget back, but little more?

I think, honestly, it'll at least make its budget back. I think that if it's vapid that even nostalgia won't get many people in the theater more than once, but I'm expecting the brand name to bring it up to at least a respectable number. I just don't think it will be super-huge, because it seems to lack the things that make a film enjoyable on a level past "that looked cool".

"Bomb" or "disappointment", though, are tough to accurately define. People still love to refer to "Superman Returns" as a bomb, disappointment, etc., but it made back over twice what it cost and the DVD was one of the top selling DVDs of the year. In fact, it made quite a bit more than "Batman Begins", which was universally praised, yet "Returns" didn't get two sequels. It's only viewed as a "disappointment" by history because WB set an arbitrary number that they wanted to see the movie hit to be considered a "success", and it fell a few million short, so the studio immediately disowned it. WB calling it a failure in turn led everyone else to parrot that belief, when in fact, it was anything but that. It made a lot of money, or at least, what was considered "a lot of money" before Transformers and Avengers came out. It wasn't even a case of, "This movie needs to make X to be successful," it was, "We would like to see it hit X because we're not convinced the character sells, so if it doesn't hit X we don't want to spend the money again.

So, I don't think TMNT will "bomb" in that nobody will go see it. I just think it might be a case like "Returns", where everyone makes up a number they expect it to hit, and if it doesn't, that's "failure".

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Coola: A bomb in that it doesn't do well at all, or a bomb in that it makes its budget back, but little more?

I think, honestly, it'll at least make its budget back. I think that if it's vapid that even nostalgia won't get many people in the theater more than once, but I'm expecting the brand name to bring it up to at least a respectable number. I just don't think it will be super-huge, because it seems to lack the things that make a film enjoyable on a level past "that looked cool".

"Bomb" or "disappointment", though, are tough to accurately define. People still love to refer to "Superman Returns" as a bomb, disappointment, etc., but it made back over twice what it cost and the DVD was one of the top selling DVDs of the year. In fact, it made quite a bit more than "Batman Begins", which was universally praised, yet "Returns" didn't get two sequels. It's only viewed as a "disappointment" by history because WB set an arbitrary number that they wanted to see the movie hit to be considered a "success", and it fell a few million short, so the studio immediately disowned it. WB calling it a failure in turn led everyone else to parrot that belief, when in fact, it was anything but that. It made a lot of money, or at least, what was considered "a lot of money" before Transformers and Avengers came out. It wasn't even a case of, "This movie needs to make X to be successful," it was, "We would like to see it hit X because we're not convinced the character sells, so if it doesn't hit X we don't want to spend the money again.

So, I don't think TMNT will "bomb" in that nobody will go see it. I just think it might be a case like "Returns", where everyone makes up a number they expect it to hit, and if it doesn't, that's "failure".

It will be a failure. But for some reason I expect it to have a craptastic sequel. People are shortsighted. They'd rather see a trilogy of this mess than let a better creative team do a better job and succeed where pd screwed up.

[Xiewin]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

It will be a failure. But for some reason I expect it to have a craptastic sequel. People are shortsighted. They'd rather see a trilogy of this mess than let a better creative team do a better job and succeed where pd screwed up.

I am NOT shortsighted just because I want to see this movie.

Anyways, I wouldn't be surprised if this movie bombs.

[Leo656]

I think people are only "short-sighted" in that they'd happily take a poor movie over none at all, just so the brand doesn't go away. Not saying for sure this movie IS poor, but pretty much everyone HAS said, "Even if it's bad, I WILL love it anyway, because it's TMNT." That's what I think is a little bit wrong.

I mean, I decided back in 1997 or so, that I'd prefer nobody ever made a Batman movie again if "Batman & Robin" or even "Forever" was as good as they could do. It's not worth it. Likewise, IF this movie is bad, I won't cry if it fails. But people shouldn't ever just blindly support anything with Brand X on it. That's my issue. Like what you like, but that whole, "Well, it's bad, but I love the brand, so here's my money" kind of thing some people have going on.

[Xiewin]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I think people are only "short-sighted" in that they'd happily take a poor movie over none at all, just so the brand doesn't go away. Not saying for sure this movie IS poor, but pretty much everyone HAS said, "Even if it's bad, I WILL love it anyway, because it's TMNT." That's what I think is a little bit wrong.

I mean, I decided back in 1997 or so, that I'd prefer nobody ever made a Batman movie again if "Batman & Robin" or even "Forever" was as good as they could do. It's not worth it. Likewise, IF this movie is bad, I won't cry if it fails. But people shouldn't ever just blindly support anything with Brand X on it. That's my issue. Like what you like, but that whole, "Well, it's bad, but I love the brand, so here's my money" kind of thing some people have going on.

Yeah I agree with everything you have said here.

[Anton Chigurh]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

So because you think those movies are crap the whole world should to?

or are you to dumb to notice a well written story or real crap slapped together by hasbeens

iD wipe my Muppet loving ass with TMNT anyday just to See kermit drop kick Leonardo

your on the wrong forum then bud, lol