Paramount Pictures @ Comic Con. 'TMNT' to be included?

[The Stryker]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

dont mean to get in the middle of this whole arguement, but a southern accent isnt appropriate for Leo, or ANY of the turtles, because they are from New York, and native NY'ers themselves have very distinct vocal patterns, etc. Having lived in NY for most of my life, I can tell you that the southern accent is only found in NY'ers who moved to the city after spending a majority of their life elsewhere, natives they are not.

Again. People seem to be okay with Mikey sounding like a beach bum from california. Its the same thing.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

dont mean to get in the middle of this whole arguement, but a southern accent isnt appropriate for Leo, or ANY of the turtles, because they are from New York, and native NY'ers themselves have very distinct vocal patterns, etc. Having lived in NY for most of my life, I can tell you that the southern accent is only found in NY'ers who moved to the city after spending a majority of their life elsewhere, natives they are not.

I'm just going to paste what I've already said a few posts ago:
They were raised underground and did not interact with other New Yorkers, they get their accents from watching TV, that's why Mikey always hasn't had a NY accent. Leo is always more serious almost Splinter-like. Raph is the only one who gets close to the NY accent because he actually sneaks out into NYC. Donnie get's his accent from TV or now we can assume youtube and other internet videos. I was concerned with Johnny Knoxville being Leo's voice, but from what I've heard he sounds fine.

When I first read he was cast as Leo, I was very mad. I like Johnny, no problems there, but my actual concern was with how old he would sound. And it's been limited on the footage, but he sounds like they worked with him to lose the accent. He does not have his typical Johnny Knoxville fun loving way of talking. From what I've heard he sounds good.

I think it's unfortunate they fired Jason Biggs for his tweets that their own twitter account linked to, because I think he's had the best Leo voice out of anyone. He could have been a good one to use for the movie.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by The Stryker

Again. People seem to be okay with Mikey sounding like a beach bum from california. Its the same thing.

was just about to say this, and even then only turtle who really ever had the "New York accent" was Raph

[Radical Raph]

Originally Posted by The Stryker

I really don't know what Johnny Knoxville you've heard speaking that you think he sounds like a cartoonish southern black woman.

Again though, why is it so 'off' for his character? Southerners can't be leaders?

It's off for a couple reasons. One being that it's not traditionally how anybody would expect Leonardo to sound. You hear the other voices for the turtles and you can judge by their voice alone who is who. That's not the case with Leo. If you didn't know any better, you might think it's the voice of Raphael speaking. It's not just Knoxville's southern accent, but his harsh tone. Leo should have a cool, smooth voice to invoke a calm, level headed leader. The only time it sounds like Leo is when he is saying, "If you do, we will find you." That's pretty much how Leo should sound all the time.

The second reason is that it sounds like Knoxville is just using his regular voice and so instead of hearing Leonardo the ninja turtle that I grew up with, I'm hearing Johnny Knoxville from Jackass.

A third reason is that Knoxville sounds way too old to be playing a teenager. Not only is he in his mid 40s, but he sounds like he smokes two packs a day.

Someone else also mentioned that the turtles got their voices/accents from their biggest influences. So where does a southern accent fit for Leo? Did he spend his time watching old western movies? No. I'd imagine him watching old Kung Fu movies. If anything, he should have a slight Asian accent.

And thus, nothing about his voice invokes the character of Leonardo.

[Radical Raph]

Originally Posted by The Stryker

Again. People seem to be okay with Mikey sounding like a beach bum from california. Its the same thing.

Because that fits Mikey's character. It's not the same thing. Leo's voice is the odd man out. And Mikey has almost always sounded like that so it's not a huge stretch.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by Radical Raph

It's off for a couple reasons. One being that it's not traditionally how anybody would expect Leonardo to sound. You hear the other voices for the turtles and you can judge by their voice alone who is who. That's not the case with Leo. If you didn't know any better, you might think it's the voice of Raphael speaking. It's not just Knoxville's southern accent, but his harsh tone. Leo should have a cool, smooth voice to invoke a calm, level headed leader. The only time it sounds like Leo is when he is saying, "If you do, we will find you." That's pretty much how Leo should sound all the time.

The second reason is that it sounds like Knoxville is just using his regular voice and so instead of hearing Leonardo the ninja turtle that I grew up with, I'm hearing Johnny Knoxville from Jackass.

A third reason is that Knoxville sounds way too old to be playing a teenager. Not only is he in his mid 40s, but he sounds like he smokes two packs a day.

Someone else also mentioned that the turtles got their voices/accents from their biggest influences. So where does a southern accent fit for Leo? Did he spend his time watching old western movies? No. I'd imagine him watching old Kung Fu movies. If anything, he should have a slight Asian accent.

And thus, nothing about his voice invokes the character of Leonardo.

personally i feel all this about raphs voice in this film...its the least distinctive and comes off as another Batman voice


but again IMO i feel like Mikes voice is forced in this version of the film..Leo and Donnie having a more natural sounding character

[Warboss74]

Originally Posted by Radical Raph

The shells being bullet proof I don't mind. I mean, these were supposed to be genetically engineered weapons so there has to be something super powered about them. I can even buy the plastrons being bullet proof, but if there's honestly a scene with Raph flexing bullets out of his body and shooting them, that might be taking things a little too far.

This isn't fo single you out, but more to point out the stupidity behind the creative decisions. Why would the Turtles ever become ninjas when they're genetically engineered super soldiers? This also makes Donatello needing glasses a really counterintuitive design decision. Donatello is given super strength and bulletproof shell, but the scientists couldn't fix his vision. Then we have to radically change the Shredder and the Foot to fight this version of the turtles. I think we're going to get some really dumb explanations as to how they can be overpowered by normal humans when they're captured.

There's almost nothing about this movie that is TMNT outside of the names.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

@Radical Raph

I think you're just fixating over it being Knoxville...All the other actors are mostly unknowns, so you're hearing their voices fresh. You know Knoxville so you're focusing on it too much. Just imagine hearing someone saying I can't believe they cast Tony Shalhoub for Splinter, all I hear is Monk. That's a you problem.

Nobody is going to change your mind, I think Knoxville sounds ok, but even saying that, I'm hyper focused on his voice specifically, I don't think we've been given enough in all the footage to make claims like you're making. My only fear was that he'd sound too old, and so far he's just coming off very serious and that's what he's supposed to be.

[1984TMNT]

Where in the world is everyone getting that Leo is going to sound like a southerner? From the 10 words we've heard him speak in trailers?! LOL For cripes sakes....more and more grasping at straws / bitching about anything and everything possible just because you hate what you see doesn't make the complaints legit. I haven't heard anything that backs up this claim.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Originally Posted by Warboss74

This isn't fo single you out, but more to point out the stupidity behind the creative decisions. Why would the Turtles ever become ninjas when they're genetically engineered super soldiers? This also makes Donatello needing glasses a really counterintuitive design decision. Donatello is given super strength and bulletproof shell, but the scientists couldn't fix his vision. Then we have to radically change the Shredder and the Foot to fight this version of the turtles. I think we're going to get some really dumb explanations as to how they can be overpowered by normal humans when they're captured.

There's almost nothing about this movie that is TMNT outside of the names.

First of all, we don't know the origins of Splinter in this iteration. If they borrow from the past, Splinter teaches them how to fight...because that's what he knows. I'm assuming they escape from the lab they were created in, so that's why they're not super soldiers, because Splinter trained them how to be ninjas.

Secondly just because they're genetically engineered doesn't mean their perfect, and again, they're not raised by the scientists so as Donnie grows up how would they fix him? They wouldn't know he's visually impaired when he's a little turtle.

Everyone saying this isn't the turtles "we" know....There have been a dozen different types of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles stores so this movie is going to create it's own TMNT story like all the other ones, with some borrowing from the past.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by floydbanks7

Batman in the movies has notoriously worn bulletproof attire, as for Spider-Man he's a bit different than the Turtles, he's very thin and he might be way faster than the Turtles, also he has spidey sense.

Batman wearing bulletproof gear is a recent addition. I don't think it's ever been done to the point that it's wise for him to take shots. In Batman Begins the armor couldn't take bullets head on and in The Dark Knight it stated that his new armor allows him to move better but makes him more vulnerable to knives and gunfire which we see later in the movie when he does take a bullet.

Spider-Man yes has his spider sense as well as proportionate speed and agility of a spider but his powers are the same as Batman or Daredevil being trained and fast enough to react getting shot at. Same with the turtles.

The scene in the trailer where they discover they're bulletproof seems to be later in the movie, and I don't think their skin is bulletproof, so there may be plenty of bullet dodging in the film.

Well we know there's a lot of bullet deflecting. All four turtles apparently are fast enough to deflect bullets with their weapons. We've definitely seen Don and Leo do it in the trailers so that would make not only faster than Spider-Man but on par with Wonder Woman.

Do you not think this is overkill? The turtles being bigger, stronger and faster than normal is okay but this kind of over-the-top action just doesn't suit this franchise, neither dies the over-the-top humor or the over-the-top designs.

I hope there are sequels, and it leads to the foot to become a more silent threat to the city since the bullets won't work, and Shredder or whoever forces them to start using hand to hand combat to fight the Turtles. Or creates more mutants ie. Bebop, Rocksteady etc...

There's no way the Foot could win in hand to hand or traditional weapon battles with these Bay turtles. How about a reboot were we don't have to worry about this stuff.

For reasons beyond the obvious (that alot of people just aren't feeling this movie) it's sad that it's happening.

The turtles had something of a second wind in the 2000s which was quite successful but obviously the movie came too late when everything was winding down. Not that the movie was someting that was going to do that much anyway.

However it seems that this go around thigs have really "popped" for the franchise and the stars have really allaigned for a movie to really sell the turtles so it's bad that what we're getting is brainless common denominator movie. Will it be fun? Maybe but they could have balanced that in the sme way the bezt of the current comic book movies are. They had a opportunity here that I doubt will come again anytime soon so it's disapointing they've ballsed it up.

[Radical Raph]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

personally i feel all this about raphs voice in this film...its the least distinctive and comes off as another Batman voice


but again IMO i feel like Mikes voice is forced in this version of the film..Leo and Donnie having a more natural sounding character

Whether they sound forced or not, they at least match the character. I thought everybody but Leo sounded great.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by floydbanks7

@Radical Raph

I think you're just fixating over it being Knoxville...All the other actors are mostly unknowns, so you're hearing their voices fresh. You know Knoxville so you're focusing on it too much. Just imagine hearing someone saying I can't believe they cast Tony Shalhoub for Splinter, all I hear is Monk. That's a you problem.

Nobody is going to change your mind, I think Knoxville sounds ok, but even saying that, I'm hyper focused on his voice specifically, I don't think we've been given enough in all the footage to make claims like you're making. My only fear was that he'd sound too old, and so far he's just coming off very serious and that's what he's supposed to be.

this is the first time i agree with Floyd and its because he is part of the Muppet band...ER i mean he is right

jokes aside, floyd has a point, and i have seen this many times not just here, but in many different movies..sometimes people have a hard time separating actions from roles of the past, how many people only heard american pie during the 2k12 series? i have a friend who hates when an actor does multiple roles in a year (dont ask i dont get it either)

[Radical Raph]

Originally Posted by 1984TMNT

Where in the world is everyone getting that Leo is going to sound like a southerner? From the 10 words we've heard him speak in trailers?! LOL For cripes sakes....more and more grasping at straws / bitching about anything and everything possible just because you hate what you see doesn't make the complaints legit. I haven't heard anything that backs up this claim.

I'm not grasping at straws. I've been on board with this movie since the beginning. I've defended everything about it up until now. My judgements are based on what I've heard so far so it's a pretty good indication of what we will hear in the movie. His Leo voice might fluctuate a bit, but you can still hear Knoxville's accent behind it.

[1984TMNT]

Originally Posted by Radical Raph

I'm not grasping at straws. I've been on board with this movie since the beginning. I've defended everything about it up until now. My judgements are based on what I've heard so far so it's a pretty good indication of what we will hear in the movie. His Leo voice might fluctuate a bit, but you can still hear Knoxville's accent behind it.

If you say so. I don't hear a southern accent - at all - in what I've heard. "We're Ninjas", "Back off Raph", etc. Seems like a case where you're hearing what you want to hear. I could be wrong, but I just am not hearing it.

[Radical Raph]

Originally Posted by floydbanks7

@Radical Raph

I think you're just fixating over it being Knoxville...All the other actors are mostly unknowns, so you're hearing their voices fresh. You know Knoxville so you're focusing on it too much. Just imagine hearing someone saying I can't believe they cast Tony Shalhoub for Splinter, all I hear is Monk. That's a you problem.

Nobody is going to change your mind, I think Knoxville sounds ok, but even saying that, I'm hyper focused on his voice specifically, I don't think we've been given enough in all the footage to make claims like you're making. My only fear was that he'd sound too old, and so far he's just coming off very serious and that's what he's supposed to be.

You have a point except that's not the only reason I mentioned for not liking it. Maybe the movie will finally persuade me, but it has a lot of work to do and I can't help thinking Pete Ploszek would have been a better fit. From the lines we've heard Knoxville say in the trailers, it doesn't sound like he's going to disappear into the role. And if he does at all and they keep those lines from the trailers in the movie, it's going to sound pretty jarring, but I'll still give it a chance.

[Radical Raph]

Originally Posted by 1984TMNT

If you say so. I don't hear a southern accent - at all - in what I've heard. "We're Ninjas", "Back off Raph", etc. Seems like a case where you're hearing what you want to hear. I could be wrong, but I just am not hearing it.

Sometimes the accent is subtle, but it's there. Accent or not, that wasn't my only issue. It was also his gruff tone that makes him sound more like Raphael than anything. For me, there needs to be a serenity in Leo's voice that makes people calm even in serious situations.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by Radical Raph

but it has a lot of work to do and I can't help thinking Pete Ploszek would have been a better fit.

we dont know that though..what if Pete was a horrible fit,

you are putting his normal voice on the character but that may not have been the case

what if he came off to timid, or sounded like darth vader or Mickey mouse..what if the voice he used for Leo just didnt work and when asked to change it he refused...we dont know the reasons behind the true change in cast

people are all for Pete but we dont know how his performance was...what if it was actually bad?

people did the same to Megatron..point Agent Smiths voice or Elrond through synthesizers thnking thats how he would sound..isntead we got a dull roar of a menacing villain

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Batman wearing bulletproof gear is a recent addition. I don't think it's ever been done to the point that it's wise for him to take shots. In Batman Begins the armor couldn't take bullets head on and in The Dark Knight it stated that his new armor allows him to move better but makes him more vulnerable to knives and gunfire which we see later in the movie when he does take a bullet.

Spider-Man yes has his spider sense as well as proportionate speed and agility of a spider but his powers are the same as Batman or Daredevil being trained and fast enough to react getting shot at. Same with the turtles.

Do you not think this is overkill? The turtles being bigger, stronger and faster than normal is okay but this kind of over-the-top action just doesn't suit this franchise, neither dies the over-the-top humor or the over-the-top designs.

There's no way the Foot could win in hand to hand or traditional weapon battles with these Bay turtles. How about a reboot were we don't have to worry about this stuff.

For reasons beyond the obvious (that alot of people just aren't feeling this movie) it's sad that it's happening.

1. Batman wearing bulletproof armor in movies is not recent, he's been wearing it since the '89 Batman, where he gets shot point blank in the chest and is completely fine. Batman get's shot in The Dark Knight, but his actual major injuries come from falling. And he gets stabbed in The Dark Knight Rises.

2. Spider-Man is not trained, it all comes from being bitten by a radioactive spider.

3. I do not think this is overkill. I have wanted an adult take on the Turtles for a very long time. I LOVE the 90's movie. It is dark and serious, and fun at the same time. I want that but more. I have Leo tattooed on my leg, and he's got blood dripping off his swords. When I was a kid, I wanted the turtles we had, I'm an an adult now, I want an adult TMNT, because to me they have the foundation to be the most entertaining super heroes.

I watch and love the Nick version of TMNT. To me it's childish but adult enough at the same time. In my opinion it's the best version of TMNT we've ever had. I keep saying this, OUR turtles have had MANY different versions, and this will just be another.

At first I hated everything about it, I hated Megan Fox being cast, I hated the "white shredder". I hated the Alien Turtle idea. When I saw the turtles for the first time, I was so sad. I watched the first trailer, and thought, good god this is terrible. Knoxville as Leo? No this can't be!

Then every single trailer since the 1st one has made it more and more clear this will be a fun action packed movie, and we will see the turtles do things in live action that we've NEVER seen them do before. I cannot wait.

I don't understand why people can't allow movies to create their own path. Comic books change the histories all the time, but if a movie does it, it's the ruining it. It's very silly.

[1984TMNT]

Originally Posted by Radical Raph

Sometimes the accent is subtle, but it's there. Accent or not, that wasn't my only issue. It was also his gruff tone that makes him sound more like Raphael than anything. For me, there needs to be a serenity in Leo's voice that makes people calm even in serious situations.

You're basing this off of 3 seconds of audio, is my point. Let's see the movie and then we can talk about what's there and isn't there.