What if Casey Jones is black in the sequel? - Page 2

strawberryfields · 08-10-2014, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Given this movie almost changed Shredder to a white man, and Marvel movies like Avengers changing Nick Fury to Samuel L Jackson, or the Human Torch from the new rebooted Fantastic Four turned into black instead of his white self that he's been for 70 years...its possible.

What if Casey Jones was cast as a black actor? Is the world ready for a black Casey Jones?

Honestly Casey being black would fit his character, and while I am not a fan of race changes to established characters, this wouldn't bother me nearly as much as Shredder being white, (obviously the Foot are from Japan, Shredder needs to be Asian and has an Asian name)

The only thing that gets arrested quicker than a vigilante that beats on people with baseball bats is a black vigilante that beats on people with baseball bats

That said, I don't really care what ethnicity any of the characters are as long as they are good actors

*Warhorse* · 08-10-2014, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I don't see where you get that since Baxter is black in every incarnation but one, and Bebop is black.

And the villain too! That's the problem, minorities tend to be in movies to be either A-the villain, or in B-the token black guy who will be the first to die. The TMNT is one of the worst offenders. And have they ever had a black female in there yet?

Ramboraph4life aka Matt · 08-10-2014, 09:25 PM

I could see some people reacting just like this:

~~Leo656~~ · 08-10-2014, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by strawberryfields

The only thing that gets arrested quicker than a vigilante that beats on people with baseball bats is a black vigilante that beats on people with baseball bats

That's actually an interesting point. Especially for a story set in NYC. Forget arrested, he'd be shot to Swiss cheese as soon as he so much as reached for a baseball bat, if the cops saw him.

*snake* · 08-10-2014, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhorse

And the villain too! That's the problem, minorities tend to be in movies to be either A-the villain, or in B-the token black guy who will be the first to die. The TMNT is one of the worst offenders. And have they ever had a black female in there yet?

April in Mirage was originally black I believe.

*Warhorse* · 08-10-2014, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by snake

April in Mirage was originally black I believe.

I've heard speculation, but there is no concrete evidence.

*snake* · 08-10-2014, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhorse

I've heard speculation, but there is no concrete evidence.

I wonder if anyone asked Peter on his blog about it.

beeshaw · 08-10-2014, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I'm kinda surprised Casey being black hasn't been thought of before. It actually fits his character surprisingly well.

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Leolead · 08-10-2014, 09:49 PM

As long as it's well written. wouldn't mind.

*CyberCubed* · 08-10-2014, 09:49 PM

How does Casey being black not fit his character?

A guy who means well and wants to clean up his neighborhood of street gangs and petty thugs? And does after them wearing a mask and hitting them with baseball bats and hockey sticks?

I'm sure they made some kind of a movie where a black guy does something similar. Probably one of those movies that casts rappers as stars or something.

~~Leo656~~ · 08-10-2014, 09:50 PM

Your lack of self-awareness is wonderful.

*snake* · 08-10-2014, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

How does Casey being black not fit his character?

A guy who means well and wants to clean up his neighborhood of street gangs and petty thugs? And does after them wearing a mask and hitting them with baseball bats and hockey sticks?

I'm sure they made some kind of a movie where a black guy does something similar. Probably one of those movies that casts rappers as stars or something.

What?

How exactly does that make him "black"?

Let's not have another Bebop debate again.

Ramboraph4life aka Matt · 08-10-2014, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

A guy who means well and wants to clean up his neighborhood of street gangs and petty thugs? And does after them wearing a mask and hitting them with baseball bats and hockey sticks?

Well, other than the mask...

**Jester** · 08-10-2014, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

More than anything I think the turtles should be more racially diverse. NYC is a total melting pot, it'd be dope to have like a puerto rican Mikey, black Raph, asian Leo, & white Donnie. At least I think so. Ya know, with respect to voice actors & whatnot.

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But there's no way of portraying those races in turtles without seeming racist to the oversensitive types. They'd all have to have stereotypical accents and walk around with flags on their shells or some sh*t. And what would it bring it to their characters besides their voices, anyway?

I'm not saying it can't work, but it's a fine line, I think.

I have to agree. Remember that despite being New Yorkers they are also all Turtles raised by the same parent. THAT'S what would inform their personalities. If anything they'd all be different stripes of 2nd generation Japanese raised by an immigrant from Japan.

To the point of Casey....sure. All I care about is if the actor can do the job and if they can BE Casey, and Casey's a crazy vigilante armed with sports equipment...could be any race, really.

*Powder* · 08-10-2014, 10:35 PM

You're both right I suppose, but there's also the fact that Mikey always sounds decidedly west-coast. & one could argue that's due to him hearing that sort of thing all the time, maybe in his favorite movies, so their surroundings & pop culture exposure would influence their upbringing. Yeah, more than anything it makes sense they'd sound semi-Japanese, having been raised by Splinter, but I don't think it'd be ridiculous for them to sound like any other kinda folk in the city, considering they'd be hearing it through the gutter every day.

*Shark_Blade* · 08-10-2014, 10:42 PM

So at first you rant about "whitewashed" Shredder, and now you want a "blackwashed" Casey..

Makes sense. Not.

**Jester** · 08-10-2014, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

You're both right I suppose, but there's also the fact that Mikey always sounds decidedly west-coast. & one could argue that's due to him hearing that sort of thing all the time, maybe in his favorite movies, so their surroundings & pop culture exposure would influence their upbringing. Yeah, more than anything it makes sense they'd sound semi-Japanese, having been raised by Splinter, but I don't think it'd be ridiculous for them to sound like any other kinda folk in the city, considering they'd be hearing it through the gutter every day.

Maybe they could use an amalgamation of different slang to kind of play to the melting pot of NY...but it'd be hard to do that without delving into stereotypes.

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

So at first you rant about "whitewashed" Shredder, and now you want a "blackwashed" Casey..

Makes sense. Not.

There's a scale....Shredder started as a minority and was turned white. Shredder's nationality is key to his character. Casey started out as "base wasp" (for lack of a better term). His being white doesn't change or inform his character....he just happens to be white. Making him another nationality doesn't take from his character, where as taking Shredder's nationality does.

*Coola Yagami* · 08-10-2014, 11:47 PM

Why do some [people act like it was awesome to have Falcon as a black dude in the Cap America movie.... if Falcon was always black anyway?

As for Casey... whatever. This movie is damaged beyond repair. Sequels would only make it worse. I could care less if Vernon got hit by Mutagen and turned into Casey. Whatever. I give up on this new movie TMNT 'franchise'.

Werecat · 08-10-2014, 11:49 PM

Casey Jones wouldn't be the best candidate to race change. You might face racist claims because you are demonstrating that only black people are deranged and angry while white men aren't. Well you would get that if you have good interpretation skeels. If you had poor interpretation skeels the indirect insult would go over your head.

Midnight Mutant · 08-11-2014, 01:07 AM

Considering that April's race has changed and so has Baxter's, It wouldn't bother me.

I don't consider Eric Sacks being Shredder as changing the Shredders race because he wasn't and wouldn't be the true Shredder, just A Shredder.

Now, had William been playing Oroku Saki, I'd consider it a race change.

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Leolead Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2014 Location: Cali Posts: 909	As long as it's well written. wouldn't mind. __________________

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Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,647	Why do some [people act like it was awesome to have Falcon as a black dude in the Cap America movie.... if Falcon was always black anyway? As for Casey... whatever. This movie is damaged beyond repair. Sequels would only make it worse. I could care less if Vernon got hit by Mutagen and turned into Casey. Whatever. I give up on this new movie TMNT 'franchise'. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

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Midnight Mutant Foot Soldier Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 249	Considering that April's race has changed and so has Baxter's, It wouldn't bother me. I don't consider Eric Sacks being Shredder as changing the Shredders race because he wasn't and wouldn't be the true Shredder, just A Shredder. Now, had William been playing Oroku Saki, I'd consider it a race change. __________________

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Ramboraph4life aka Matt Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2004 Location: North Liberty, Iowa Posts: 1,233	I could see some people reacting just like this:

08-10-2014, 09:49 PM	#30
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,694	How does Casey being black not fit his character? A guy who means well and wants to clean up his neighborhood of street gangs and petty thugs? And does after them wearing a mask and hitting them with baseball bats and hockey sticks? I'm sure they made some kind of a movie where a black guy does something similar. Probably one of those movies that casts rappers as stars or something.

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~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Your lack of self-awareness is wonderful.

08-10-2014, 10:35 PM	#35
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,945	You're both right I suppose, but there's also the fact that Mikey always sounds decidedly west-coast. & one could argue that's due to him hearing that sort of thing all the time, maybe in his favorite movies, so their surroundings & pop culture exposure would influence their upbringing. Yeah, more than anything it makes sense they'd sound semi-Japanese, having been raised by Splinter, but I don't think it'd be ridiculous for them to sound like any other kinda folk in the city, considering they'd be hearing it through the gutter every day.

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Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	So at first you rant about "whitewashed" Shredder, and now you want a "blackwashed" Casey.. Makes sense. Not.

08-10-2014, 11:49 PM	#39
Werecat Hench Mutant Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Canada Posts: 266	Casey Jones wouldn't be the best candidate to race change. You might face racist claims because you are demonstrating that only black people are deranged and angry while white men aren't. Well you would get that if you have good interpretation skeels. If you had poor interpretation skeels the indirect insult would go over your head.