Was Eric Sachs originally meant to be The Shredder?

[TMNT_2010]

It would certainly make more sense if he was. When Shredder shows up in the sewers you can hear the hatred in Splinter's voice when he says "Shredder" But he had no reason to hate him or even to even know who he was.

I'm guessing its a line that was recorded and they just went with it. It will be interesting to see if the truth about this movie's development ever comes to light because there has to be a reason for all the inconsistencies.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by turtle1237

Pretty much, yeah Shredder in lines may seem like the master, but Sach did created the plan and pretty much pull the strings. Shredder was pretty much just there for the ride.

Other major problem was the Shredder's defeat. I can lived with Splinter taking out Shredder in the first movie, it was amazing to see, Splinter coming in and saving his sons, Shredder's own ego of taking the Turtles down with him in the 2nd film was great to see. The Turtles were smarter than Shredder here, were Shredder pretty much lost his mind and sense after the first movie defeat imo.

But in in the 2014 who takes out Shredder? Leo? Don? Ralph? Mickey? Even Splinter? Nope, April O'Neil. I loved April as much as the next person, but she should not have been the person to take down Shredder. Shredder I think will never let that one be lived down.

Lmao movie shredder should have copied a page from Casey jones playbook and said 'yeah yeah Eric your plans are good and all.... But when do I get to break stuff?'

[sethmartin]

I think the scene with Eric Sacks shooting at April and Vern was a reshoot as well. Either that or it was originally meant to happen at another time. Also Sacks dies even though Fichtner signed a 3 picture deal??? That's because we WAS the Shredder and they changed it. Sacks was the best and most interesting character in the whole film. What happened with Sacks being "Obsessed with the armor"? What happened to "We find out that Eric Sachs is someone else too." Yes most of the time when asked if he was the Shredder, Fichtner would say "I play a character named Eric Sacks" but there were a few occasions where he flat out said "Yes". They should have kept him as the Shredder. Now with a sequel announced already, I doubt that we'll ever get to see an original cut of the film. Also it was never confirmed that the Shredder is Oroku Saki. He's just some Asian guy.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by sethmartin

I think the scene with Eric Sacks shooting at April and Vern was a reshoot as well. Either that or it was originally meant to happen at another time. Also Sacks dies even though Fichtner signed a 3 picture deal??? That's because we WAS the Shredder and they changed it. Sacks was the best and most interesting character in the whole film. What happened with Sacks being "Obsessed with the armor"? What happened to "We find out that Eric Sachs is someone else too." Yes most of the time when asked if he was the Shredder, Fichtner would say "I play a character named Eric Sacks" but there were a few occasions where he flat out said "Yes". They should have kept him as the Shredder. Now with a sequel announced already, I doubt that we'll ever get to see an original cut of the film. Also it was never confirmed that the Shredder is Oroku Saki. He's just some Asian guy.

I don't think he died. He was just knocked out.

The original film would have been even worse. Unless Sachs original plan wasn't this stupid 'mutagen cures the plague' thing.

[sethmartin]

They could have changed the plan. What happened to "That's what your father and I were trying to do, create heroes"? Or what about that one teaser trailer where Leo says "We were created as weapons"? Not even a mention of this in the final film. I think they cut it up so much to change Shredder, that they had to change the entire evil plan. When I watched the film, I noticed that every time Sacks mentions the Shredder, it's always a cut away shot where you don't actually see him say it. I think "Project Renaissance" was changed.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by sethmartin

They could have changed the plan. What happened to "That's what your father and I were trying to do, create heroes"? Or what about that one teaser trailer where Leo says "We were created as weapons"? Not even a mention of this in the final film. I think they cut it up so much to change Shredder, that they had to change the entire evil plan. When I watched the film, I noticed that every time Sacks mentions the Shredder, it's always a cut away shot where you don't actually see him say it. I think "Project Renaissance" was changed.

Still woulda been a hell of a screw up. The turtles were never created by Aprils dad and shredder to be weapons. It still would have been a horrible movie. If anything the original film would have been a lot worse.

[CyberCubed]

The funny thing is Sachs had a role that would have been better suited to either Karai or Baxter Stockman now.

Instead we have this pointless Eric Sachs character over someone else. I can't help but realize we missed out on having a great Baxter role in a movie.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The funny thing is Sachs had a role that would have been better suited to either Karai or Baxter Stockman now.

Instead we have this pointless Eric Sachs character over someone else. I can't help but realize we missed out on having a great Baxter role in a movie.

If this character's role would have been filled Baxter instead of 'Harry' Sachs, about 50% of this movie's problems would've been solved. Shredder wouldn't NEED much characterization because BAXTER'S the main villian of this film, and Shredder's the boss in the shadows, who will gets his chance to shine in the sequel.

There would still be other problems, but that would've been a big part of it. He i Baxter in all but name anyway.

[Mellie]

If he was, I sort of wish they didn't change it.

I didn't want him to be Shredder himself, just a student of Shredder while he was in Japan. The robo suit would of made more sense then.

I think after the whole alien thing, they panicked. I would love so much to see all the unused footage they have.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by sethmartin

They could have changed the plan. What happened to "That's what your father and I were trying to do, create heroes"? Or what about that one teaser trailer where Leo says "We were created as weapons"? Not even a mention of this in the final film. I think they cut it up so much to change Shredder, that they had to change the entire evil plan. When I watched the film, I noticed that every time Sacks mentions the Shredder, it's always a cut away shot where you don't actually see him say it. I think "Project Renaissance" was changed.

I think that's probably dead on. And remember Finchtner talking about, "Yeah, I'm Shredder. And Shredder goes through a lot of changes in the movie." Apparently that was behind-the-scenes too.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by TMNT_2010

It would certainly make more sense if he was. When Shredder shows up in the sewers you can hear the hatred in Splinter's voice when he says "Shredder" But he had no reason to hate him or even to even know who he was.

I'm guessing its a line that was recorded and they just went with it. It will be interesting to see if the truth about this movie's development ever comes to light because there has to be a reason for all the inconsistencies.

That's the really bizarre part. When did Shaloub record his lines? And when did they do the reshoots that likely added "Saki"? Were the changes made so late in the game that there just wasn't time to change that line?

Maybe I'm just trying too hard to make sense of a plot that doesn't make much sense on any level anyway?

Originally Posted by sethmartin

I think the scene with Eric Sacks shooting at April and Vern was a reshoot as well.

Wouldn't surprise me at all. I recall that whole sequence feeling especially rushed and sloppy.

[NinjaPug]

Plots that Change

Where do I talk about Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? Do I talk about it here? They’re technically a comic book property and a megafranchise now that TMNT 2 is going to be a thing that happens.

So here’s my question as someone who hasn’t seen the film yet: does it seem like the movie’s plot changed halfway though?

Because when I was on set, I saw TCRI ooze being fed into a bunch of Ninja-looking Foot Clan thugs (NINJA looking, not Mercenary Masked). Also William Fichtner was The Shredder. He wasn’t working WITH Shredder he WAS Shredder. I also read that script called The Blue Door that was a horrible Turtles movie that had all the mutants as aliens from Dimension X. Basically, even when I asked what was being re-shot during TMNT 2014’s re-shoot period, I was just told that it was stuff Megan Fox couldn’t do earlier because of her pregnancy. However, I watched them shoot a scene from multiple angles where April fought some ninja with a sai and Will Arnett’s Vernon did some brawling too. With ninjas on gurneys all around.

When did they come up with the plot for this movie?

http://www.latino-review.com/news/ma...-plot-insanity

[Bry]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

http://www.latino-review.com/news/ma...-plot-insanity

I cannot wait for the in-depth behind-the-scenes articles about the production of this movie. Sounds like a complete train wreck from start to finish.

And it's getting a sequel!! Hahaha oh my god

[Leo656]

So, that article more or less confirms what I suspected all along, that they kept what they could from the Blue Door script, more or less made up the rest on the fly, made it all up on the fly again at the last minute, threw it in a blender, and called it a movie. No full "script" or even basic idea of what the story was that they were trying to tell, because inside of a few months it went from being completely one thing into a completely different thing.

Nice. Nice. You know these guys shouldn't be making movies, right?

[sdp]

You make it sound like it was a bad thing but sometimes things like this can turn out a better product like say Samurai Pizza Cats, and from what we know of the original version, this version we got was much better.

[Leo656]

I think, based on how the entire project was planned and executed over the last three or so years, that the entire thing was flawed from the start, because it was in the hands of exactly the wrong type of people, and there was nothing they could have made that would have turned out "good".

These guys should not be working. The way they make films is bad, thus, they make bad films. Their catalog of work more or less proves that the approach they take to film making is fundamentally flawed and that they are incapable of producing anything of quality. With or without the last minute changes, the movie still would likely have been underwhelming, simply because the people involved don't know how to make a good movie at all, regardless.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I think, based on how the entire project was planned and executed over the last three or so years, that the entire thing was flawed from the start, because it was in the hands of exactly the wrong type of people, and there was nothing they could have made that would have turned out "good".

These guys should not be working. The way they make films is bad, thus, they make bad films. Their catalog of work more or less proves that the approach they take to film making is fundamentally flawed and that they are incapable of producing anything of quality. With or without the last minute changes, the movie still would likely have been underwhelming, simply because the people involved don't know how to make a good movie at all, regardless.

Either that or they either don't know crap about the Turtles... or have so little faith in the franchise they're basing the movie on, that they felt the need to make a ka-zillion changes in order for it to sell.

The people on this forum that applaud this movie are basically proving these guys right.

[Blips]

Am I crazy or does it sound like William Fichtner as Shredder at 1:03 in this French trailer?

Also, were these bits from the trailer in the final film?

April: Ninja Turtles?
April: These guys are heroes. People need to see this.

I’ve only seen the film once and it was in a theater filled with rowdy kids, so I don’t recall.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

So, that article more or less confirms what I suspected all along, that they kept what they could from the Blue Door script, more or less made up the rest on the fly, made it all up on the fly again at the last minute, threw it in a blender, and called it a movie. No full "script" or even basic idea of what the story was that they were trying to tell, because inside of a few months it went from being completely one thing into a completely different thing.

Nice. Nice. You know these guys shouldn't be making movies, right?

That sounds like a 100% accurate assessment of the situation, from where I sit.

It was never going to be a film. From the beginning, it was product.

[Xiewin]

I still dont understand why nickelodeon choose a company like PD to produce the film in the first place. It's like they wanted the film to be s**t from the beginning.