Apritello pairing confirmed? Storyboard pics!!

[plastroncafe]

Not yet, but this is where that kind of stuff starts.
Still holding out that someone tells him to knock it off.
Bonus points if it's April, Splinter, or Karai.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by Leo656

OR... oooorrrrr.... the publicly-traded billion-dollar company that relies on millions of soccer moms to buy their merchandise and needs to appease their stockholders caves in and yanks the show due to outcry.

Just gonna go out on a limb and say that's slightly more plausible. Big picture, gang, big picture.

If there was seriously an issue, it would have come out by now. Trust me, the soccer moms aren't going to give a sh!t. In fact, I think more soccer moms are more tougher than the ones back in the 90's. We at least can get Turtles knocked out in this toon, I doubt it would have never happened in the 80's.

Originally Posted by Konchadunga

Did I miss something? Does "nice guy" suddenly have creepy connotations? Wow; I'd hate to hear what "mean guy" means!

Nice guys tend to end up being the Jeffery Dahmers of the world.

[plastroncafe]

On Nice Guys, from XKCD.
"Friends with Detriments"

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Not yet, but this is where that kind of stuff starts.
Still holding out that someone tells him to knock it off.
Bonus points if it's April, Splinter, or Karai.

I thought Raphael has tried, several times, that Donny is just fooling himself, that it's not going to work. In fact, I think Raphael is the only trying to keep Donny's head above water with all of this. I personally like it, because it gives us some very precious and rare Raph and Donny moments.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

On Nice Guys, from XKCD.
"Friends with Detriments"
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/friends.png

That sums up the love triangle pretty nicely.....o_o a little too nicely....

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

That sums up the love triangle pretty nicely.....o_o a little too nicely....

Seems totally off to me because the love triangle isn't played up at all and Donnie and Casey are friends. At no point has Donnie ever come in between Casey and April. He's never verbalized it to or in front of April. He had a good chance to interrupt them in Target April o'Neil, twice, but didn't and left them alone. He could've in Wormquake but didn't. His main focus was to keep them all safe. In Wrath of Tigerclaw he didn't bat an eyelid to April going to check on Casey and stuck with Leo to help defend Karai to Raph. In Plan 10 he didn't try to show off or anything to up Casey or anything like that. Casey has Donnie's back and Donnie has his when needed.

Bottom line, I still get the impression that he knows that he doesn't have much of a chance to get with her, being a mutant and all, but values his friendship with April way more. If I'm misinterpreting this based on what we've seen my mistake.

[ssjup81]

Just thought I'd bring this up again and hope for an actual response...
*****

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

Wow, if you LIKE that kind of behaviour, I want you FAR away from me. That chart was a way to dodge consent, and shows that in Donnie's mind, WHAT APRIL WANTS MEANS NOTHING.

I'm insulted by this comment as you didn't debate the post, but attacked the poster. To quote once again....

I thought it was pure genius and just re-emphasized how he's the type to overthink and plan. Wasn't that the actual premise of the episode? He couldn't fight properly because he would think too much.

How exactly is this creepy, anyway? How is it any different from a guy or girl who may purposely walk a certain path just to have an excuse to be near the object of his or her affections? Or a situation where you're thinking of ways to hang around that person? He just came up with different scenarios to hang around him, and personally, I'd find it hard to believe if no one's ever done that (not on Donny's level of course). I know I have.

I was interested in a guy, already friends, would try to think of a way to be alone with him without others around and without it seeming like I'm trying to get a date out of him. Just thinking of a way to casually hang out without other friends along, that type of thing. i find these actions, by Donny, quite normal. His over analyzing and planning, though is played up for laughs.

If he had a chart filled with her day-to-day activities ("See, and this is when April washes her hair, so I'll come by and offer her specialized shampoo that will enhance her hair's shine...") listed or her exact locations ("...and at exactly 3:27, she's usually standing at the corner of [street name] so I can go there and...."), etc., then I would find that creepy. He was just coming up with different scenarios to hang out with her when the opportunity presented itself and predicting what she might or might not say. The homework scenario was quite logical, imo. She's a student, of course she'll have homework (and she's mentioned it).

Completely normal.

Nowhere is Donnie trying to avoid consent. He was thinking of ways to hang with her or impress her when and if the opportunity presented itself. They upped it because the ep was about Donnie learning how to get out of overthinking. Even when he did use the chart, he asked to train together since she would be there training. There was an opportunity and he took it. He didn't force anything.

Even I've done something similar. No chart of course. My crush liked playing video games. So did I. We were at the arcade. I played games with him. I didn't force him to play, he chose to. It was nicer because we were alone. I was able to get to know him better and talk one-on-one. That's why I wanted to be alone with him. Even if nothing happened in the romantic sense, I could still make a good friend. How is this creepy? As a matter of fact we're still friends to this day. 22 years.

Thinking back to my second year of HS, a guy I know did something similar. He did sport commentating for our games. It was our first homecoming game and we were both preparing for. We were helping with the parade. He asked me when finished if I wanted to sit in the commentator's box with him since I didn't have a ticket to the game. We would've been alone for it, but I didn't think anything of it. We were already friends, though, which is why I didn't. I didn't stay because I was tired from the day. He then said that if I changed my mind, I could always join him. There was an opportunity, and he took it, especially since I mentioned wanting to see the game earlier. He wanted to spend alone time with me. He had a crush on me. I didn't know it then. I learned this after high school and even admitted that he did plan that. That aside, he wanted to impress me with his commentating skills and to have an opportunity to hang with me alone since we were always around others. Is this creepy?

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

Seems totally off to me because the love triangle isn't played up at all and Donnie and Casey are friends. At no point has Donnie ever come in between Casey and April. He's never verbalized it to or in front of April. He had a good chance to interrupt them in Target April o'Neil, twice, but didn't and left them alone. He could've in Wormquake but didn't. His main focus was to keep them all safe. In Wrath of Tigerclaw he didn't bat an eyelid to April going to check on Casey and stuck with Leo to help defend Karai to Raph. In Plan 10 he didn't try to show off or anything to up Casey or anything like that. Casey has Donnie's back and Donnie has his when needed.

Bottom line, I still get the impression that he knows that he doesn't have much of a chance to get with her, being a mutant and all, but values his friendship with April way more. If I'm misinterpreting this based on what we've seen my mistake.

Or as much as he would like April to be his girl friend, he knows Casey well enough to know he's a good man who has April's best interests at heart.

[JTH]

I think we all need to understand that none of us can truly claim that this is in the right or the wrong, for none of us can relate to it.

We've been exposed to the opposite sex our entire livelihoods. None of us didn't see a person of the opposite gender for the first time when we were in our teenage years, when things begin to change inside us.

We can't say someone should know right or wrong to something we were never exposed to in such a manner ourselves.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by JTH

I think we all need to understand that none of us can truly claim that this is in the right or the wrong, for none of us can relate to it.

We've been exposed to the opposite sex our entire livelihoods. None of us didn't see a person of the opposite gender for the first time when we were in our teenage years, when things begin to change inside us.

We can't say someone should know right or wrong to something we were never exposed to in such a manner ourselves.

Exactly. The closest the turtles had been to a girl before April is that photo of Tang Shen and TV. If Donnie had been born human and raised normally then yes his behavior in the beginning would have been more problematic. But April is the first actually flesh and blood female person that Donnie has ever encountered. Genius or not, we can't expect him to know how the girls think or act or even what sort of behaviors they appreciate.


As for Donnie respecting women in the 2k3 and OT.

OT Donnie had a dislike towards humans with good reason, April was an exception because she was their friend. And yeah they all had crushes on April at one point or another, but for the most part April was a friend, a sister figure, and a the closest thing to a mother they have ever really known.

2K3 Donnie had a small crush on April, but it doesn't last because he pretty much accepts early on that April was not going to be anything more then a big sister and psudo-mother at best.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Just get Don and April together 'officially' and be done with the "Friends" Rachel/Ross 'will they or won't they' schtick, and then move on to other things.

[plastroncafe]

Here's the problem with the, "Don doesn't know any better!" argument.

Don's fictional.
He does what the writers tell him to do.
The writers should know better.

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Here's the problem with the, "Don doesn't know any better!" argument.

Don's fictional.
He does what the writers tell him to do.
The writers should know better.

Holy ****, I couldn't have said it better myself.

You're amazing.

[JTH]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Here's the problem with the, "Don doesn't know any better!" argument.

Don's fictional.
He does what the writers tell him to do.
The writers should know better.

The writers can't relate to situation either.

So they can write it however they want, and we have no right or reason to say it's an unreal reaction.

Plus I guess I shouldn't bring up the fact that the OT didn't know any better times 4, because...people tend to forget that.

Does that mean those writers didn't know what they were doing either?

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by JTH

The writers can't relate to situation either.

So they can write it however they want, and we have no right or reason to say it's an unreal reaction.

Plus I guess I shouldn't bring up the fact that the OT didn't know any better times 4, because...people tend to forget that.

Does that mean those writers didn't know what they were doing either?

Sure we do.
And...
Yes it does.

[BubblyShell22]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

On Nice Guys, from XKCD.
"Friends with Detriments"
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/friends.png

Sorry, this doesn't emphasize Don's crush on April at all or relate to it in any way. Don has never told April that Casey doesn't respect her or that she shouldn't be with him to her face. Although he has been jealous of Casey, he has never outright told April not to date him or to even like him. It seems to me that you're looking way too much into this whole thing. It's natural for someone to be jealous if they like someone and that person doesn't return their feelings and goes to someone else. What you have highlighted may happen, but not with Donnie, and I doubt it will.

Yes, some behaviors do start with stalking and the like, but Don wasn't stalking April when he was following her. He was following her to make sure she was okay because he knew the Kraang were still after her. None of the other Turtles wanted to do it, and Don decided it was his job to check in on her. There's nothing wrong with that. I would say it would be creepier if he watched her while she slept or peeked in on her when she was undressing. He hasn't done that, and I doubt he would because he knows there's a fine line between how he feels for her and respect for her privacy.

[victory_angel]

I wanted to slap Raph in Target: April O'Neil when he said "Looks like we have to accept that she's gone for good." About April while Donnie was in ear shot, and no one gives a flip about it.

I mean in Break Out when Raph admits that he told Donnie didn't have a chance with April, Leo gets protective and says "What?! Why would you do that?!" And yeah Leo also admits that he feels Donnie is fooling himself with thinking that he and April would be together. But he pretty much doesn't say anything because April is someone that makes Donnie happy, and it's not his place to interfere with that.

Yeah it's possible or more then likely knew Donnie was there and he was saying "Accept it Donnie, she doesn't want to see us ever again." But no one seems to have noticed he had just returned or even that he had left the lair in the first place.

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

He hasn't done that, and I doubt he would because he knows there's a fine line between how he feels for her and respect for her privacy.

No he doesn't, because he's done several things that prove he doesn't respect her at all. How are you not getting this.

[plastroncafe]

Putting her on a pedestal is not the same as respecting her.

[victory_angel]

Putting her on a pedestal is saying she can't do anything without him around.

April's been able to do plenty both with and without Donnie present. Take when April told him that she was being trained as a Kunoichi. Donnie was glad about it and asked if they could train together sometime. If he put her on a pedestal he would have objected to it and told Splinter "April is a delicate flower"

Also in Kraang Conspiracy, even though April was not skilled enough to join them on missions. Donnie is the only one of the Turtles who says "Maybe she could join in on one."

Placing her on a pedestal he would adamantly be saying "You can't come because you'd only get yourself hurt. Save the real stuff for the more experienced Ninja...like me."