About seeing TMNT 2

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Galactus

There's a whole lot in the movie from leaked script. Far more than one scene.

Not to mwntion they were still trying to justify their intention to make the turtlees and Shredder aliens at comic con. Doesn't instill me with a whole lot of confidence for a sequel.

Good for you. I'm even more excited for the sequel with the basics already finished it's just leaves room for a lot more development for the movie the designs are finished so there toner they can spend on properly building the movie story and plot. I just hope they can keep the leaks from happening this time so we don't have to here all the people crying and then try to make them happy by changing it.

[massakre]

I TRULY believe the sequel will have vast improvements over the first one. This is just my opinion and its based solely off of the fan/critic reaction to the first movie as well as the OBVIOUS last min script changes that gave us a diff movie than was intended.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

The great irony of this film is that it actually suffers from bending over backwards to please the fans. You can't have perfect storytelling and character development if you're rewriting during and after shooting.

If they hadn't rewritten and backtracked after every online PR disaster we probably would have gotten that Alien Ninja Turtles movie - and it would have gone over with audiences like a wet fart.

Sorry to say, but creatively this movie was pretty much doomed from jump street. They went into it so wrong-headed there was no way they were gonna get it right in the eleventh hour. They tried to backtrack and course-correct as much as they could, but it was just too late to wind up with anything but a mess.

Unfortunately, the same people who made this movie the mess it is are in charge of the sequel, so... yeah, you can count me out. I'm actually angry I wasted two hours going to see it, even though I got in free, so there's no way I'll make that mistake twice.

Originally Posted by Leo656

I honestly think it goes both ways as far as the studio goes. They do think they "know better", but are well aware of how fan backlash can sink a licensed property quicker than anything. So they make a few token changes to placate the more vocal people, but do it in such a half-hearted way that it entirely misses the point.

They get the "What" but not the "Why", basically. They know what we want to see, because we flat-out tell them, but completely misunderstand the reasons why some of those things are important, like Shredder being Japanese for example. It's not because, "Well, he's always Japanese", it's because the backstory has always been supremely relevant to the larger story. They failed to grasp the nuance in that, so their effort amounts to little more than pasted-on fan service.

It's not that they completely don't care, because obviously they're paying attention. But people working in Hollywood have a certain type of arrogance that doesn't allow them to admit that they may have been completely off-base with their approach to a project. So they try and have it both ways and often the end result is something that doesn't fully satisfy anyone.

What he said.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Good for you. I'm even more excited for the sequel with the basics already finished it's just leaves room for a lot more development for the movie the designs are finished so there toner they can spend on properly building the movie story and plot. I just hope they can keep the leaks from happening this time so we don't have to here all the people crying and then try to make them happy by changing it.

I literally have no idea how that is a relevant response to what I said.

In the spirit of further conversation though I'll say there wouldn't be a problem with leaks if they are open and released details and talked publicly about the production the way people involved in other major movies do.

Also as you've said ad nauseam we don't know for certain that they changed anything. While it seems very obvious they did I'm surprised to see you say this, it now seems to be used as an excuse to overlook some pretty big flaws.

I'd say there's problems with this movie that have nothing to do with changing the identity of Shredder and while the movie might have flowed better had they stuck with Sacks as the one in the armor I have zero interest in seeing a TMNT series with some generic business man as the villain (I don't have much of interest in a series with Shredder as the only big villain either but I'm sure this will happen and you could argue the character needs redeeming from this poor showing). I'd also point out they wouldn't have to change anything if they are on the right track from the beginning but from the same team as that Blue Door script I don't hold out much hope.

[fridaynightdestination]

You guys do realize that not everyone here hates the movie. Not everyone here like it either, but some people like it, I am one of them. I'll be seeing the sequel for sure

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by massakre

I TRULY believe the sequel will have vast improvements over the first one. This is just my opinion and its based solely off of the fan/critic reaction to the first movie as well as the OBVIOUS last min script changes that gave us a diff movie than was intended.

I think they will Knock this next one out of the park With most holes in the story being open in a way to easily fill, and Character and plot point finished they dont have to start from scratch Character designs are done likely on many we haven't seen yet Remember Casey, BB&RS, And krang were supposed to be in this first movie there designs are likely completed at least in the concept stage which take so long so they can take the time to focus on Narrative.

IDK i see so much potential for the next movie it gets me excited I loved the first one i cant wait for the second one ^_^

Originally Posted by fridaynightdestination

You guys do realize that not everyone here hates the movie. Not everyone here like it either, but some people like it, I am one of them. I'll be seeing the sequel for sure

Pretty sure they couldn't care Less -_- Every one should hate this movie vehemently, other wise they're sheep

[chrisdude]

My list of objections to The Blue Door is rather short. As much as I love this movie, I would've been cool with them not changing it quite so much.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Pretty sure they couldn't care Less

Well that much is pretty much true. To be fair it goes both ways. I dunno if people are expecting a reward for liking it, or hating it. Stating like or hate outside the context of sharing a related opinion/view on something about it, with the like or hate being the entirety of their statement (excluding threads exclusively asking for such), just kind of leaves me thinking "Ok, and..? Good for you." Not to sound like a jerk or anything...

[RaphaelinSTL]

Originally Posted by Bry

Unfortunately, the same people who made this movie the mess it is are in charge of the sequel, so... yeah, you can count me out. I'm actually angry I wasted two hours going to see it, even though I got in free, so there's no way I'll make that mistake twice.

Dude. I hear ya. I think about this movie sometimes and I get the same kind of feeling every now and then.

Oh and apparently there's an interview up with the film maker's in where they discuss more about a possible sequel.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/teenag...news/?a=106443

Well I would love to see Bebop and Rocksteady go at it with the Turtles. I just think that everything that this movie, the movie we just made everything about it and how fun it is.I just think it would be unbelievable to see those two sets of characters go at each other and I think Bebop and Rocksteady also bring such comedy to the movie. You know, that’s what we’re trying to do, just make it a really fun family film and I would love to see those two guys try and hunt down the Turtles. It would be a lot of fun.

Reading more of that interview makes me sad, hopefully this thing finds a way to get pushed back and cancelled.

[Warhorse]

So, can we see an increase or decrease in the production budget?

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

I am just in time for another session of taking the new movie version of tmnt very seriously, yay.

[chrisdude]

Pretty much any successful movie is expected to make more in the sequel. The movie floats around for a couple years and the fanbase grows, and more people care by the time the second movie comes out. The budget should go up, purely by virtue of being a successful film. Even an unexpectedly bad sequel tends to outgross the original, so they almost can't go wrong.

[The Stryker]

I thought the first was a lot of fun.

Can't wait to see another one. Especially since they're so heavily talking about adding my two favorite villains.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

Pretty much any successful movie is expected to make more in the sequel. The movie floats around for a couple years and the fanbase grows, and more people care by the time the second movie comes out. The budget should go up, purely by virtue of being a successful film. Even an unexpectedly bad sequel tends to outgross the original, so they almost can't go wrong.

The idea that a sequel out grosses the original is a fairly modern convention. Traditionally sequels made progressively less apart from a few anomalies.

A lot of people have said that this movie has opened with similar figures to Thor and Captain America: The First Avenger but the generally feeling from those movies was positive whereas TMNT has been a lot more divisive.

What TMNT does have going for it is the morbid curiosity that the next one will be different especially as they're going to go with fan favorite characters, Of course that's were it personally falls down for me.

Originally Posted by fridaynightdestination

You guys do realize that not everyone here hates the movie. Not everyone here like it either, but some people like it, I am one of them. I'll be seeing the sequel for sure

Has anyone said that they think everyone here hates the movie?

I may question the validity of a few people (I think most people know what I mean by this ) but I'm sure that there are fans that genuinely liked it but then when I see a lot of those same names are the ones that have previously expressed the sentiment that it's exciting just to have a big live action TMNT movie then that kinda says something.

If I'm coming across even more negative than I usually am it's that curiosity got the better of me and I actually watched the movie and even with reading everything about it I was still shocked by things and went away very disappointed.

Don't get me wrong I know this movie wasn't aimed at people like me but it should have been...in the sense that it should have been aimed at the broadest audience possible.

Leibesman has said more than once that he wanted this movie to be so that even people who no knowledge or love for the franchise to be able to understand but it relies very heavily on prior knowledge to understand a very shoddily put together story. Would anyone appreciate the origin if they didn't already like the franchise - hell even fans that liked this movie have expressed that they hope it gets expanded on the sequel, would anyone get why April and the turtles would bond so fast despite hardly knowing each other if it wasn't for previously versions that set it up better, would anyone understand the whole Shredder thing and his scheme? I don't anyone really gets that regardless. Why would anyone with no love for the franchise sit through a very dull 20 + minutes of an April O'Neil movie to get to the turtles?

I did seek out a thread talking about things I would like to see in a sequel and started typing away but it suddenly hit me if they're going to have Casey I'd love for his back story from Tales of the TMNT in there but I realized if they have Hun he'd just be there like Karai was. As a fan I feel very alienated.

Now I'm one fan and I know Bay, Leibesman and co couldn't give a **** but I know I'm not alone in feeling this way - so yeah no sequel for me unless they can show us that they give a crap this time.

[Leolead]

Originally Posted by fridaynightdestination

You guys do realize that not everyone here hates the movie. Not everyone here like it either, but some people like it, I am one of them. I'll be seeing the sequel for sure

Me too!

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

A part of me wishes that the writers or liebesman were on this site. But just to see how people would react and what they say.

[Xiewin]

I wonder why PD, especially Liebesman, lied so much about this movie. I feel like I can't trust these people's words anymore. I'm trying to get excited for the sequel, but it's almost getting impossible for me to do so. They all claim to be such big fans, but why would they make April the main focus of the movie, cut out a ton of character development for the turtles, or forcibly make the movie under a 100 minutes long? I wonder, will they at least try to fix the glaring problems that were in the first movie and apply it to the second, or will they just get lazy and use the same formula because apparently people will see it anyways.

A part of me wishes that the writers or liebesman were on this site. But just to see how people would react and what they say.

I wish they would try to get suggestions or answer questions from normal fans, but I doubt they would do that since apparently they think they're to good for that.

[Leolead]

Originally Posted by Xiewin

I wonder why PD, especially Liebesman, lied so much about this movie. I feel like I can't trust these people's words anymore. I'm trying to get excited for the sequel, but it's almost getting impossible for me to do so. They all claim to be such big fans, but why would they make April the main focus of the movie, cut out a ton of character development for the turtles, or forcibly make the movie under a 100 minutes long? I wonder, will they at least try to fix the glaring problems that were in the first movie and apply it to the second, or will they just get lazy and use the same formula because apparently people will see it anyways.

Sad but true.

Why was April the main focus?

[ScrewtheMirageTMNT]

Originally Posted by Xiewin

I wonder why PD, especially Liebesman, lied so much about this movie. I feel like I can't trust these people's words anymore. I'm trying to get excited for the sequel, but it's almost getting impossible for me to do so. They all claim to be such big fans, but why would they make April the main focus of the movie, cut out a ton of character development for the turtles, or forcibly make the movie under a 100 minutes long? I wonder, will they at least try to fix the glaring problems that were in the first movie and apply it to the second, or will they just get lazy and use the same formula because apparently people will see it anyways.

1. Honestly? No.
2. Um, the only turtle stuff that got cut out involved raph, none of the other turtles.

I feel as if the people who didn't like the movie much are letting their disapproval of it...well it's like it's the reason behind them saying baseless things about it.

[Xiewin]

Originally Posted by Leolead

Sad but true.

Why was April the main focus?

My guess is because they used the bluedoor script as a blueprint for the re-written story.

Originally Posted by ScrewtheMirageTMNT

1. Honestly? No.
2. Um, the only turtle stuff that got cut out involved raph, none of the other turtles.

You sure? Wasn't there a cut scene where the turtles were talking with each other after meeting April for the first time? you know When the Visual History book showed a piece of the script. Or in the BTS where the turtles were in a dojo sitting all together, and another where they were all sitting together at a table, including the tour of the lair where you see Leo and Raph training in the background? Just little things like that I was really looking forward too, all which were not found in the movie. I was also looking forward to the scene where Raph was teaching April how to use Sai's. I feel like they cut too much out in order for the movie to under 100 minutes.

I feel as if the people who didn't like the movie much are letting their disapproval of it...well it's like it's the reason behind them saying baseless things about it.

Really? I'm basing this off of actual pictures, bts, and footage that wasn't in the movie I didn't just make all this up. There were alot of things that Liebesman and his crew promised that were going to be in the film, but I didn't see any of that :/