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[CyberCubed]

Ridley, Little Mac and some other DK/Zelda rep.

I might still get 2 out of the 3 if the Ridley/Dixie leak is from the same guy.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

1) I was hoping Toon Zelda/Tetra would be a character, but I know that's a long shot; besides, Zelda has plenty of characters in the Smash games.

Certainly makes more sense than the Toon Zelda/Toon Sheik that was in the junk data of Brawl. I mean, even today, there's never been a Toon Sheik, has there?

[CyberCubed]

I'm purposely never going to play as Dark Pit just to spite Sakurai. Bias Sakurai is the worst kind of Sakurai.

Doctor Mario doesn't bother me as much but he should have been a costume.

[Cure]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

besides, Zelda has plenty of characters in the Smash games.

If only SOME people saw it this way.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I'm purposely never going to play as Dark Pit just to spite Sakurai.

Oh no. He'll be devastated.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

Certainly makes more sense than the Toon Zelda/Toon Sheik that was in the junk data of Brawl. I mean, even today, there's never been a Toon Sheik, has there?

Yeah, when I read about the apparently planned Toon Sheik left in the Brawl data, I was just confused. It's not like Sakurai didn't know Tetra was the same person as Zelda, because there was a Tetra trophy in Brawl.

The only time Sheik appeared was in Ocarina of Time; she was designed in Twilight Princess style (were there scrapped plans to put her in the game?), but according to the Hyrule Historia those designs were especially for Brawl.

I'm purposely never going to play as Dark Pit just to spite Sakurai. Bias Sakurai is the worst kind of Sakurai.

I'm sure he'll be very hurt by that.

If only SOME people saw it this way.

Yeah, Cubed, I'm not sure why you assume Sakurai is so hateful towards LoZ. Zelda, Link, Sheik, (presumably) Ganondorf, and Toon Link make FIVE characters. That's the same number of characters from the Mario series (not counting DK or Yoshi).

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Ridley, Little Mac and some other DK/Zelda rep.

I might still get 2 out of the 3 if the Ridley/Dixie leak is from the same guy.

The guy played an elaborate prank on 4chan, including using a decipherable "code" that led to a picture on imigur saying everything to do with Ridley, Dixie, Mach Rider, Impa and Mewtwo was fake and made up. He admitted (and showed proof) that he faked the early leak of whatshername from Kid Icarus. He's a troll and he's been lying about as much as he could to screw with everyone.

He had access to someone who had access to an ESRB ratings video and that's all. He knows as much about possible remaining characters as we do.

People have confused and misconstrued multiple fake leaks and lies into a single leak. Gematsu leak, MF'er leak, Smashboards wish list leaks, the GameFAQs leaker. It's to the point where people are mixing everything together and making it worse for themselves.

Count on nothing but those pictures/videos as being real. If we get more be happy, if we don't then admit you fell to fake hype by trolls and liars and move on.

[Cure]

Also, check out this choreographed fight.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I'm purposely never going to play as Dark Pit just to spite Sakurai.

I'm going to go browse GameFAQs or watch a "How to unlock video" when the game comes out. It'll say:
"To unlock Ridley, Dixie Kong, King K. Rool, and Impa, beat all modes as Dark Pit."

Then, my family, friends, and fiancée will all be devastated. My eight years of work at the company that I work for will be for naught. Everyone whose life I've touched, for better and for worse, will be affected in some way.

For I will have died in a fit of laughter.

Bias Sakurai is the worst kind of Sakurai.

Bias is a noun or verb, not an adjective. Stop using it that way.

Also I "love" how you ignored my assurance that Sakurai is not the only driving force in the roster just so you can bitch some more.

[CyberCubed]

The whole concept of Dark Pit and Dr. Mario as actual characters instead of alt costumes really bothers me. If they had to do quick clones there are a lot of other concepts they could have come up with. I'd even taken a Demise alt of Ganondorf over them just to give Zelda another newcomer.

Their inclusion also makes Wolf/Lucas' axing even more strange. Had there been no new clones I could have understood it, but why axe characters (and Wolf and Lucas had unique moves), for total clones? I prefered Wolf over Falco even.

Also the fact that Ice Climbers were likely axed because of the 3DS limitations is ridiculous. There's no reason they couldn't have been on the Wii-U version. I doubt anyone would have cried fowl if there was one extra character the 3DS one didn't get.

Lastly Dr. Mario coming back over Mewtwo is awful. People were really sore over Mewtwo's axing, and with him getting new Mega Evolutions in the XY games his comeback would have been justified. Especially since they bring back Lucario for that matter.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Their inclusion also makes Wolf/Lucas' axing even more strange. Had there been no new clones I could have understood it, but why axe characters (and Wolf and Lucas had unique moves), for total clones? I prefered Wolf over Falco even.

You say this yet you have no idea what the move sets for Dr. Mario and Dark Pit are. And I'm pretty sure multiple people have made it perfectly clear that no character was axed "in favor" of another. And especially these alternative characters, since Sakurai said that Lucina was a "bonus" character, outside of the regulars.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

You say this yet you have no idea what the move sets for Dr. Mario and Dark Pit are. And I'm pretty sure multiple people have made it perfectly clear that no character was axed "in favor" of another. And especially these alternative characters, since Sakurai said that Lucina was a "bonus" character, outside of the regulars.

I doubt Doctor Mario is that different than Melee, he probably won't have Fludd. Dark Pit is a character precisely because he was easy to do because the majority of his moves are likely the same as Pit's and his character model was the same.

Also Sakurai said he used Brawl as a base, so to axe 6 unique characters that were technically already done besides tweaking to the new engine and a graphics boost is strange. Ivysaur/Squirtle and Snake I can understand being removed, but Ice Climbers, Wolf and Lucas didn't have to be cut.

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Also Sakurai said he used Brawl as a base

"The Smash Bros. developer takes the same care and considerations when redesigning returning characters, like Mario, Donkey Kong and Samus Aran from Metroid. They start from scratch with every character, Sakurai said, first determining how those characters should be graphically represented on new hardware."

http://www.polygon.com/2013/6/17/443...cter-selection

[XERO]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I doubt Doctor Mario is that different than Melee, he probably won't have Fludd.

Well, duh. He's a f*ckin' doctor.

[sdp]

Duck Hunt dog makes more sense as a stage now that I think about it and he should be in the stage taunting people. Regardless, I'm pretty ecstatic about having him if its true since I thought the NES pandering character would just be little Mac.

As far as clone characters, if Wolf is cut then I think I would've rather had Falco cut, mainly just so Star Fox franchise can have a hero and a "villain". I can't comment on Dark Pit since I haven't played KI: Uprising but from an ignorant point of view he does feel like he should just be a skin. And I'm normally a sucker for "dark" versions of characters like Shadow/Wario/Wolf/Slash/venom etc. I can't be too mad for clones though since I think they're an easy way to add another character. I take them as "it was this or nothing".

And until the final roster is confirmed I'm just going to assume all the Brawl characters are in it, I truly believe that is the only reason Ike is in the game, if not he would've been cut since his last game was barely relevant and came out years ago.


As far as Sakurai being biased, possibly, but he puts a lot of love into his characters, he revived Pit basically and liked him enough to make him be his next game, now maybe the game didn't get the love it deserved since apparently its good so I'm ok with the representatives. Kirby is in as many games as Mario each gen so he deserves 3 reps. A Smash without Sakurai would be both sad and interesting. I don't think any other person would be able to put as much love into the game as Sakurai does, however I do think that they might be willing to go into different directions and go crazier with characters. Sadly I don't think Sakurai will work on another Smash, I remember him stating he didn't want to do Brawl at first, and he hates making sequels.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by sdp

As far as Sakurai being biased, possibly, but he puts a lot of love into his characters, he revived Pit basically and liked him enough to make him be his next game, now maybe the game didn't get the love it deserved since apparently its good so I'm ok with the representatives.

Dark Pit is a horrible character. Kid Icarus having 3 characters while a franchise as big and historically important as Donkey Kong (and Metroid), only having 2 is outright favoritism from Sakurai. His outright hatred of the Zelda series is even more blatant.

Sadly I don't think Sakurai will work on another Smash, I remember him stating he didn't want to do Brawl at first, and he hates making sequels.

If this is Sakurai's last Smash, good, let some new blood take over. Maybe they won't make so many asinine roster choices as he did.

Come to think of it I'm not even sure why Shulk was chosen to be on the roster given Xenoblade almost didn't release in the U.S. and sales in Japan weren't that great. Wouldn't be surprised if the only reason Shulk is there is Sakurai must have played and loved Xenoblade when it came out.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

His outright hatred of the Zelda series is even more blatant.

...

It is? Please, tell me how Sakurai clearly despises the Zelda series.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

Just curious, folks, what was everyone's top three wanted characters that weren't in Brawl, from before any of the roster was revealed at all?

I had Pac-Man, Little Mac, and anybody that skipped Brawl but was in Melee.

Mine was

1. Duck Hunt Dog, (Never thought he wouldhappen tho)

2. K. rool

3. Prince Fluff. (Kirby's Epic Yarn)

[Peanut]

So, I was playing a bunch of Rhythm Heaven Fever with my fiancé last night and it really made me wish even harder for some rep in Smash. Even if we just get a bunch of songs or remixes from it. I mean, check out how insanely catchy this sh*t is!



Please, Sakurai! Please! Munchy Monk trophy!

Something along the lines if the amount of Warioware rep in Brawl would be perfect.

[Cure]

Buh-bum bum bum.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

It is? Please, tell me how Sakurai clearly despises the Zelda series.

There hasn't been a Zelda newcomer since 2001 in Melee. Ganondorf is still a Captain Falcon clone 3 games in a row, despite having two games now to fix his moveset. Toon Link is also still a clone instead of having a unique moveset using items from Wind Waker, Minish Cap, the DS games, etc.

I've seen many suggestions for possible Zelda newcomers from Ganon (in his pig form as a fighter based on the SNES design), Impa, Tetra, any of the villains, etc.

I don't really care for a Zelda newcomer as much as a Metroid/Donkey Kong one, but its still odd.