Apritello pairing confirmed? Storyboard pics!!

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

I can attest to that! I don't believe in marriage, at all!

Marriage... been there... done that.... Just happy having a long-term girlfriend, thank you very much.

And yes, that is a valid point. Even if April ends up with Casey... the characters are so young in this version that we won't see them get married and have kids anyway, so all of this future stuff against Donnie is a moot point.

PLUS, what if they eventually some sort of Volume 4 route in season number....whatever... With aliens walking around like ordinary people and the Turtles able to walk around in open public.... April dating Donnie won't seem so weird anymore. And April's dad would have known Donnie (and the Turtles and Splinter) for a few years by then so he'd be ok with that.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Marriage... been there... done that.... Just happy having a long-term girlfriend, thank you very much.

And yes, that is a valid point. Even if April ends up with Casey... the characters are so young in this version that we won't see them get married and have kids anyway, so all of this future stuff against Donnie is a moot point.

PLUS, what if they eventually some sort of Volume 4 route in season number....whatever... With aliens walking around like ordinary people and the Turtles able to walk around in open public.... April dating Donnie won't seem so weird anymore. And April's dad would have known Donnie (and the Turtles and Splinter) for a few years by then so he'd be ok with that.

Only thing I can think of, is they might have an episode similar to the 2k3's Same as it Never Was or The Journal, or, maybe, since this newest episode was made with the flick Big Trouble in Little China in mind, maybe they might have an episode when it's based on Terminator, maybe April's grandchild comes back into time to stop an attack on her, and the child's looks could give an idea who April might end up with. But, with now Karai able to switch from mutant form to human form at will, maybe the child might have those abilities, and it could be used to tease the audience a bit.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Only thing I can think of, is they might have an episode similar to the 2k3's Same as it Never Was or The Journal, or, maybe, since this newest episode was made with the flick Big Trouble in Little China in mind, maybe they might have an episode when it's based on Terminator, maybe April's grandchild comes back into time to stop an attack on her, and the child's looks could give an idea who April might end up with. But, with now Karai able to switch from mutant form to human form at will, maybe the child might have those abilities, and it could be used to tease the audience a bit.

Hmmm with something like that they might cop out and just make it Irma's child. Irma's child and some nameless guy she hasn't met yet. I mean, if the child is human, it'll be obvious April ended up with Casey. If the child is greensih, it'll be obvious she ended up with Donnie. I kinda doubt they'd spoil something that major.

Of course... perfect way to introduce Shadow... Yeah I know she was never April's biological child in the comics... but neither was Karai ever Splinter's biological child either.....

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Hmmm with something like that they might cop out and just make it Irma's child. Irma's child and some nameless guy she hasn't met yet. I mean, if the child is human, it'll be obvious April ended up with Casey. If the child is greensih, it'll be obvious she ended up with Donnie. I kinda doubt they'd spoil something that major.

Of course... perfect way to introduce Shadow... Yeah I know she was never April's biological child in the comics... but neither was Karai ever Splinter's biological child either.....

Like I said, if the child is a descendant of April and Donnie, maybe she has something in her like Karai does now, where she can disguise her non human qualities as human. Maybe say, she saves her grandmother from the threat, and then she goes back to the time portal, and just as it gets ready to take her back to the future, you can see her skin change to a hint of green. Or heck, maybe the child has a peculiar gapped tooth. It's subtle, but not in your face.

[victory_angel]

Even if mutants and aliens are accepted by human society at large, would there be issues arising from it.

Decades ago it was be illegal for people of different races to get married. And it's only recent that gay marriage has been recognized.

Even today there are people who frown on the idea of interracial relationships. And even more people who still haven't accepted the idea of marriage equality. Segregation and civil rights are also still hot button issues, though not entirely in the same manner as they were in the last fifty years.

so realistically even if mutants and aliens are accepted by human society, they still will be people who feel that when it comes to relationships humans should be with humans and non-humans (i.e. Mutants, Aliens, anything living being that can't or can no longer be identified as human) need to be kept with non-humans.

So imagine the world being as it was in the civil rights movement except instead of people being judged by the color of their skin, they are judged by what species they identify with. Concentration camps, and hunting parties to chase down, capture , and kill those who are no longer identified as human.


and of course the flip side where non-humans see themselves as superior to human kind (such as the Triceritons and Kraang) and feeling that the humans should be the ones who should cower before them.

[ssjup81]

So what'd you all think of the new ep?

[BubblyShell22]

Haven't seen it yet. I'm waiting until Friday to catch it.

And good for you, Warhorse. I don't believe in marriage either.

[Bitsy83]

I know I made a huge thread about Apritello happening because I was expecting there to be some sort of huge drama involving her dad and Donnie and what not, but WAAAAY back near the end of season 1, when they announced that Casey would join the cast in season 2, my thoughts immediately went to the "Teng Shen parallel."

After watching "A Ghost Story in Chinatown" or whatever it was called, Casey and Donnie really only argued whenever April was brought up or in the vicinity. When they were trying to figure out how to stop Ho Chen, Casey seemed pretty supportive of Donnie. Heck, even emotional about it. Like he knew this was harder on Donnie since his brothers were possessed by an *snirk* evil spirit and there was a chance he could lose them forever. They both come up with a great plan and are about to set it into action, but once they decide who will go in to save April, BOOM! Instant enemies again.

I swear, April's like poison to them. They really don't HATE each other, they just hate it when April is showing more attention to one over the other. That's why I hope they do bring up the Teng Shen parallel or at least make reference to it.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by Bitsy83

I know I made a huge thread about Apritello happening because I was expecting there to be some sort of huge drama involving her dad and Donnie and what not, but WAAAAY back near the end of season 1, when they announced that Casey would join the cast in season 2, my thoughts immediately went to the "Teng Shen parallel."

After watching "A Ghost Story in Chinatown" or whatever it was called, Casey and Donnie really only argued whenever April was brought up or in the vicinity. When they were trying to figure out how to stop Ho Chen, Casey seemed pretty supportive of Donnie. Heck, even emotional about it. Like he knew this was harder on Donnie since his brothers were possessed by an *snirk* evil spirit and there was a chance he could lose them forever. They both come up with a great plan and are about to set it into action, but once they decide who will go in to save April, BOOM! Instant enemies again.

I swear, April's like poison to them. They really don't HATE each other, they just hate it when April is showing more attention to one over the other. That's why I hope they do bring up the Teng Shen parallel or at least make reference to it.

Maybe, but I still have this feeling that Donnie will finally let April go, and she will start to really like Casey. Then, Irma finally meets the Turtles (it can't be pure coincidence that she has a lot of purple on her) and she and Donnie strike up a chord, and this time, April starts to get jealous. This stuff happens all of the time, when someone you know likes you, you ignore them, and when they move on to someone else, all of a sudden you see them in a new light. Heck, with the teasing that Irma might have poweres, maybe that is what is going to be the Teng Shen parallel, not with Donnie and Casey, but maybe April and Irma, who were best friends to begin with.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Maybe, but I still have this feeling that Donnie will finally let April go, and she will start to really like Casey. Then, Irma finally meets the Turtles (it can't be pure coincidence that she has a lot of purple on her) and she and Donnie strike up a chord, and this time, April starts to get jealous. This stuff happens all of the time, when someone you know likes you, you ignore them, and when they move on to someone else, all of a sudden you see them in a new light. Heck, with the teasing that Irma might have poweres, maybe that is what is going to be the Teng Shen parallel, not with Donnie and Casey, but maybe April and Irma, who were best friends to begin with.

or....April can pick Casey....Donnie moves on....and Irma remains single.

and no more love triangles

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

or....April can pick Casey....Donnie moves on....and Irma remains single.

and no more love triangles

Then there goes the ratings, because like it or not, sh!t like this is reeling in the ratings. The chicks are digging this. Have you not seen the tons of youtube vids, posts throughout the forums about the subject. Yeah, TMNT a long time ago might have been developed purely for the boys, but it has evolved over three decades to be appealing to both sexes for various things, and for people of all ages. I think it would be very selfish to get rid of the triangles because a couple of people don't like them, when in reality, it's bringing in lots of traffic for the franchise. Half the TMNT fans are females and half of the females like the romance dramas, why not use that to the franchise's advantage?

[BubblyShell22]

I really want them to parallel the Saki/Yoshi/Shen story, and it would be pretty interesting if it was April and Irma in the role instead of Casey and Donnie. However, I would be fine with Don and Casey as it would teach Don a lesson about not going down his father's path.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

I really want them to parallel the Saki/Yoshi/Shen story, and it would be pretty interesting if it was April and Irma in the role instead of Casey and Donnie. However, I would be fine with Don and Casey as it would teach Don a lesson about not going down his father's path.

It would be a weird lesson. It's like saying you're not allowed to fall in love. And if some other guy likes the girl you like, you should just give up, step back and let him have her.

Don knew April since season 1, Casey wasn't around til the second season. It would have different if Casey and April were already together in the first season and then all of a sudden Donnie developed feelings for her in the second season and decided to butt in. In this case, Casey is kinda butting him... and yeah he kinda is. I know Don seems overbearing at times, but Casey is always all up on April's face and always trying to score some alone time to get some.

I don't know, it kinda bugs me cause Don is shyer and trying to find a way to get to April, while Casey acts like 'she's already mine, and why not, I mean, who wouldn't want a piece of this?' over-arrogance.

Plus for the sake of the narrative, it kinda doesn't make sense for one of the main characters to love the love interest to a side character introudced in the second season, unless he somehow wins her back in the end.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

I really want them to parallel the Saki/Yoshi/Shen story, and it would be pretty interesting if it was April and Irma in the role instead of Casey and Donnie. However, I would be fine with Don and Casey as it would teach Don a lesson about not going down his father's path.

Sad thing though, I don't see Donnie going down that path. Casey yes, but not Donnie. He's never really pushed himself on her, like Casey has. In Splinter's situation, Shen loved him, but not Saki, and Saki was fueled by this rage. I honestly don't think if Splinter decided to sever ties with Shen, it would have changed anything. She didn't love Saki, so then what would happen to Shen if Splinter disappeared out of her life? You think Saki would have just dropped it? Or would he have pursued her even more stronger now, since Splinter is out of the picture? What would he have done if Shen still rejected him? Force her to take him? Kill her for rejecting him? We're dealing with a man who has a really big ego, and a woman saying no to him might be one of those tipping points. So, I'm not exactly sure what lesson Donnie would learn from here. He may get mad at Casey over April, but he gives April her space. And, in return, unlike Shen, April seems to love both the guys for their own things, but in particular, we see her time and time again, literally run to Donnie of all sentient beings when she is scared, hurt or in trouble. If there is going to be a parallel between the April/Casey/Donatello thing, it's going to be a lot more complicated than the Splinter/Shen/Shredder one, especially on the girls' part.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Then there goes the ratings, because like it or not, sh!t like this is reeling in the ratings. The chicks are digging this. Have you not seen the tons of youtube vids, posts throughout the forums about the subject. Yeah, TMNT a long time ago might have been developed purely for the boys, but it has evolved over three decades to be appealing to both sexes for various things, and for people of all ages. I think it would be very selfish to get rid of the triangles because a couple of people don't like them, when in reality, it's bringing in lots of traffic for the franchise. Half the TMNT fans are females and half of the females like the romance dramas, why not use that to the franchise's advantage?

Hey if they love triangles are bringing down the show, then they need to do whats best for the show and get rid of them. because it's turning off alot of people too (my sister is reluctant to watch the show now because of it)

Girls will watch the show regardless believe me! I watched DBZ when I was little and that didn't have any romance (or barely any in it) I liked TMNT 2003 and that didn't have any love triangles. Girls don't need romance to like a show.

The kindergardeners that I help watch at school, just like the turtles, one girl liked April for April.

Legend of Korra thought that a drama love triangle would make people like the show more and advertised it even on the Nick site with things like..."do you ship Makorra or Borra!?" and that brought the show down so bad.....the love triangle was horrendous. Lots of people I know quit the show because of just that.

If they want to have romance...then they need to do it right or don't do it at all.

[JTH]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

If they want to have romance...then they need to do it right or don't do it at all.

Tell us how to do it right then, I'm sure many people will think it's wrong.

Romance is impossible...IMPOSSIBLE to write and appease to and for everyone.

And there in lies the problem. It's very selective.

[Coola Yagami]

Then if you remove romance, the characters actually become.... fake cartoon characters. Hell, the whole series started over a romance gone horribly wrong.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by JTH

Tell us how to do it right then, I'm sure many people will think it's wrong.

Romance is impossible...IMPOSSIBLE to write and appease to and for everyone.

And there in lies the problem. It's very selective.

oh no, there is a way to do romance right so most people would be cool with it.

but instead of saying how to do romance right...maybe it's easier to say what NOT to do.

don't make the characters whinny/clingy/possessive little kids.

basically this.



-a love/hate relationship is tolerable.
-destined lovers are tolerable

but when a love triangle becomes a "LOOK AT ME!! LOOK AT ME!!" contest...that's when it's bad.

At least in Legend of korra...(and I can't believe I'm saying this) at least Bolin gave Korra her space and when she obviously liked Mako, Bolin backed up and left Korra alone. Heck! Even Asami didn't cause a whole crazy scene when Mako cheated on her TWICE. She let it go and moved on. And these characters are teenagers too!

[victory_angel]

I don't know about parallel but certainly mirroring the Splinter/Tang/Shredder triangle.
When Tang Shen made her decision Oroku Saki couldn't accept it.

However the end result of the Donnie/April/Casey triangle would play out similarly to the the Splinter/Teng/Shredder triangle, except at it's peek April will make her final choice and the boy she doesn't choose will have to decide how he will take the rejection.

[JTH]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

but when a love triangle becomes a "LOOK AT ME!! LOOK AT ME!!" contest...that's when it's bad.

At least in Legend of korra...(and I can't believe I'm saying this) at least Bolin gave Korra her space and when she obviously liked Mako, Bolin backed up and left Korra alone. Heck! Even Asami didn't cause a whole crazy scene when Mako cheated on her TWICE. She let it go and moved on. And these characters are teenagers too!

Based on how you're putting it, it looks like Korra obviously liked one over the other. Correct?

April hasn't shown she clearly likes either of them over the other nor has she given any evidence to show that, so why shouldn't Casey and Donnie continue to try when there's no reason for them to give up?