You think Shredder might come after Donnie?

Bitsy83 · 09-29-2014, 09:33 PM

This has been on my mind a lot since "The Lonely Mutation of Baxter Stockman." Remember how when Stockman kidnapped April, she told him that Donnie had made retromutagen and could make him a batch to turn him back to normal? I wonder if he shared that information with Shredder?

I know the Shredder thinks that the Kraang will turn Karai back to normal, but I highly doubt that's high on their "To-Do List." Like Tiger Claw said, they care nothing about humans and could really care less if a few get mutated here and there. Heck, how do we know they weren't already mutating people before that whole shipment got spilled all over New York?

So, who's to say they're going to keep their end of the bargain and help Karai? They've pretty much taken over New York, so I doubt even Shredder and his clan could face them.

Shredder may discover that Donnie has successfully created a retromutagen from Stockman or one of his allies and organizes a kidnapping once they track down the Turtles. He either gets the Kraang to help him or maybe Tiger Claw (since he's a hunter and all) and gets Donnie, bringing him back to New York. This would also be a great way for the Turtles to decide to go back to New York to save Donnie.

Also, let's say that before this happens, Donnie finally tells April how he feels and she...doesn't return the affections (We still don't know if those storyboards are real or not). This crushes Donnie's spirit and he goes off into the woods to be alone, only to be captured by Kraang or Tiger Claw and taken back to New York via portal. And, maybe while Donnie's captive, Shredder figures out that he has feelings for April and he's going through his own love triangle like the one he went through with Teng Shen. Maybe he tries to tempt him to the dark side? Hey, Leo was with the Foot in the comics for awhile and didn't Raph become Shredder at one point? Why not have Donnie sort of see a kindred spirit in Shredder? (Or at least make him believe that while he backstabs him or whatever.)

I'm sure this won't happen, but I do have a feeling that eventually, Donnie's knowledge of retromutegen will attract some negative outcomes, whether from the Kraang, Shredder....or maybe the Earth Protection Force?

Ashwolf · 09-29-2014, 10:00 PM

would be wicked if that happened as a outcome on shredder trying to get Donnie on his side

I pretty much thought the same thing after he finished making the retromutagen and its bound to happen somewhere along the line, stockman was just the beginning of it

*ssjup81* · 09-29-2014, 10:16 PM

I mentioned that it would be nice if everyone is after Donnie for retromutagen.

I wouldn't want Donnie to join Shredder for a reason that petty though.

*Luckyday* · 09-29-2014, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bitsy83

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This has been on my mind a lot since "The Lonely Mutation of Baxter Stockman." Remember how when Stockman kidnapped April, she told him that Donnie had made retromutagen and could make him a batch to turn him back to normal? I wonder if he shared that information with Shredder?

I know the Shredder thinks that the Kraang will turn Karai back to normal, but I highly doubt that's high on their "To-Do List." Like Tiger Claw said, they care nothing about humans and could really care less if a few get mutated here and there. Heck, how do we know they weren't already mutating people before that whole shipment got spilled all over New York?

So, who's to say they're going to keep their end of the bargain and help Karai? They've pretty much taken over New York, so I doubt even Shredder and his clan could face them.

Shredder may discover that Donnie has successfully created a retromutagen from Stockman or one of his allies and organizes a kidnapping once they track down the Turtles. He either gets the Kraang to help him or maybe Tiger Claw (since he's a hunter and all) and gets Donnie, bringing him back to New York. This would also be a great way for the Turtles to decide to go back to New York to save Donnie.

Also, let's say that before this happens, Donnie finally tells April how he feels and she...doesn't return the affections (We still don't know if those storyboards are real or not). This crushes Donnie's spirit and he goes off into the woods to be alone, only to be captured by Kraang or Tiger Claw and taken back to New York via portal. And, maybe while Donnie's captive, Shredder figures out that he has feelings for April and he's going through his own love triangle like the one he went through with Teng Shen. Maybe he tries to tempt him to the dark side? Hey, Leo was with the Foot in the comics for awhile and didn't Raph become Shredder at one point? Why not have Donnie sort of see a kindred spirit in Shredder? (Or at least make him believe that while he backstabs him or whatever.)

I'm sure this won't happen, but I do have a feeling that eventually, Donnie's knowledge of retromutegen will attract some negative outcomes, whether from the Kraang, Shredder....or maybe the Earth Protection Force?

You had me until you said "dark side".

*IndigoErth* · 09-29-2014, 10:57 PM

I could see them having great interest in getting a hold of him, though I couldn't really see Donnie being persuaded if they tried to tempt him to join them willingly. I'm only loosely aware of the Leo story, though I believe there was brainwashing involved(?), I'm sure that would have to be the case with Donnie as well, he's too smart and good spirited otherwise.

One catch also however... Did Donnie use April's DNA in the actual creation of the retromutagen? They might have to be after her too in that case. Although if they succeeded they could use her as leverage to make him cooperate.

*victory_angel* · 09-29-2014, 11:04 PM

Yes, the retromutagen does paint a big red target on Donnie's shell. I don't see Donnie turning to the Shredder's cause willingly. I mean yeah Shredder could maybe see or learn about Donnie's feelings for April and April supposedly having feelings for Casey. So Shredder could try and entice Donnie's jealousy, but Donnie is a better person then that.

And even if Donnie does fall for it, he knows the Shredder can't be trusted. So he could make retromutagen, but fail to add the key ingredient, April's DNA

and obviously Shredder would want to test it out. So maybe Shredder tests it on Fishface turning him into Armagon. He's short sighted enough to test it on Donnie, but yet if he does that he doesn't have anyone to make the Retromutagen unless he has stockman take notes.

*Electric* · 09-29-2014, 11:05 PM

I'm all for this. I know it's another Donnie centered plot so people will complain, but I'm a Donnie fan, so I say go for it

As far as a dark turtle, it'd be cool to see dark Donnie, but I think it'd have to be more of a mind control brainwashing thing rather than shredder persuading him. Would be interesting though, as opposed to having dark Leo who's a threat physically, I could see dark Donnie building all these weapons and droids for shredder, and using them against his brothers

*victory_angel* · 09-29-2014, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ElectricN

I'm all for this. I know it's another Donnie centered plot so people will complain, but I'm a Donnie fan, so I say go for it

As far as a dark turtle, it'd be cool to see dark Donnie, but I think it'd have to be more of a mind control brainwashing thing rather than shredder persuading him. Would be interesting though, as opposed to having dark Leo who's a threat physically, I could see dark Donnie building all these weapons and droids for shredder, and using them against his brothers

But I think at the same time, Donnie's feelings for April will be strong enough to withstand the brainwashing device. After all love is often viewed as a powerful emotion, and there are stories where someone is brainwashed to follow an enemy, but they are brought back by the strength of the love he/she has for their love interest. So brainwashed or not, he would conveniently forget to add April's DNA as art of the Retromutagen thing.

*Shark_Blade* · 09-29-2014, 11:34 PM

Ah, instead of going for Leo, Shredder going for Donnie? How refreshing.

*ssjup81* · 09-29-2014, 11:36 PM

I still wonder though if he can even use his normal retromutagen on perfected mutagen. Would he have to use perfected mutagen to create a retromutagen for the current set of Kraang mutants?

*Shark_Blade* · 09-29-2014, 11:46 PM

And he can't easily cure Karai since her mutagen batch was "tainted" by Baxter Stockman.

*BubblyShell22* · 09-30-2014, 07:54 AM

Hmm, that's an interesting concept. I don't know if this will happen in the future, but I don't know if Shredder will do that right away. He might wait and see if the Kraang help him first, and if they don't, then he could always kidnap Donnie and force him to make it.

*IndigoErth* · 09-30-2014, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ssjup81

I still wonder though if he can even use his normal retromutagen on perfected mutagen. Would he have to use perfected mutagen to create a retromutagen for the current set of Kraang mutants?

Good point, and it took quite a while for him to get it worked out the first time. Would April's DNA even be viable for use in it...

*blindturtle02* · 09-30-2014, 12:27 PM

I'd love to see this. You don't really see a lot of Shredder/Donnie interaction. I'd watch this arc if we got it.

*BubblyShell22* · 09-30-2014, 04:15 PM

Yeah, me, too. I think it would be awesome.

Bitsy83 · 09-30-2014, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Luckyday

You had me until you said "dark side".

Too "Star Wars?"

Yeah, maybe the whole "join the foot" might be pushing it a bit, but I do really think that if Shredder finds out that Donnie had feelings for April that he might try to use that as leverage against him since he understands how that feels; to have a "friend" steal the woman of your dreams. Also, he could mess with Donnie's head and try to tell him that the world will never accept him as a hero and to stop trying to fight with Hamato Yoshi. That in order to achieve anything in this world, you have to be strong and not give in to your emotions or let compassion weaken you, blah blah blah. I'm not saying that Shredder sees HIMSELF as a villain (the best villains never do), but it's obvious that love and mercy mean nothing to this dude.

But I wouldn't say Donnie was TEMPTED to join the Foot clan out of spite or revenge or whatever, but he may see an opportunity to set things right. If Shredder thought that Donnie would be crushed enough to give up on his family and turn to the Foot, Donnie could take this as an opportunity to become a sort of secret double agent. Splinter said in one episode that one of a ninja's best weapons is deception, so maybe if the offer were on the table and Donnie makes Shredder think that he's willing to join the Foot, he'd be able to not only take out the Foot, but the Kraang as well. He'd be able to have closer access to their plans and throw a monkey wrench in the works, so to speak. In order to do this, however, he'd have to go against his brothers and convince THEM he's joined the Foot as well.

Another angle they could go would be just to get Donnie and threaten to torture him or whatever until he makes the retromutagen. Or maybe use a Kraang device to either search his mind for the answer (hey, if they can switch bodies with people...).

Then once the retromutagen is in Shredder's hands....

Spoiler:

I thought I was going through Deja Vu.

BTW, does anyone know how to do multiple quotes in a thread? There were other posts I wanted to address, but I didn't know how.

*blindturtle02* · 09-30-2014, 06:18 PM

Cool, Bitsy. Ciro and crew have already said that they like-- um, that character you mentioned. It was in the Comic-Con 2014 panel. So I could see that happening. That'd make one terrific arc. I say it's only a matter of time until we get that particular duo one way or another. Heck, we got one out of the two already.

*Warhorse* · 09-30-2014, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Ah, instead of going for Leo, Shredder going for Donnie? How refreshing.

This I don't mind. It's nice to see the Shredder arcs being exclusive to Leonardo not be tradition much longer.

*Luckyday* · 09-30-2014, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bitsy83

Too "Star Wars?"

Yeah, maybe the whole "join the foot" might be pushing it a bit, but I do really think that if Shredder finds out that Donnie had feelings for April that he might try to use that as leverage against him since he understands how that feels; to have a "friend" steal the woman of your dreams. Also, he could mess with Donnie's head and try to tell him that the world will never accept him as a hero and to stop trying to fight with Hamato Yoshi. That in order to achieve anything in this world, you have to be strong and not give in to your emotions or let compassion weaken you, blah blah blah. I'm not saying that Shredder sees HIMSELF as a villain (the best villains never do), but it's obvious that love and mercy mean nothing to this dude.

But I wouldn't say Donnie was TEMPTED to join the Foot clan out of spite or revenge or whatever, but he may see an opportunity to set things right. If Shredder thought that Donnie would be crushed enough to give up on his family and turn to the Foot, Donnie could take this as an opportunity to become a sort of secret double agent. Splinter said in one episode that one of a ninja's best weapons is deception, so maybe if the offer were on the table and Donnie makes Shredder think that he's willing to join the Foot, he'd be able to not only take out the Foot, but the Kraang as well. He'd be able to have closer access to their plans and throw a monkey wrench in the works, so to speak. In order to do this, however, he'd have to go against his brothers and convince THEM he's joined the Foot as well.

Another angle they could go would be just to get Donnie and threaten to torture him or whatever until he makes the retromutagen. Or maybe use a Kraang device to either search his mind for the answer (hey, if they can switch bodies with people...).

Then once the retromutagen is in Shredder's hands....

Spoiler:

I thought I was going through Deja Vu.

BTW, does anyone know how to do multiple quotes in a thread? There were other posts I wanted to address, but I didn't know how.

A spy or being torture makes way more sense then for him to betray his own family over a girl. I swear it would've been Humongous Fungus all over again.

*IndigoErth* · 09-30-2014, 11:10 PM

Can agree, wouldn't mind seeing the others have their own storylines with Shredder.

Unless I've forgotten something, I don't even get what this Shredder's deal is with Leo in the first place. Or is it simply that it is, as you mentioned, Warhorse, 'tradition'? I mean, he was so dead set on nearly destroying Leo in the finale, and then when the rest of them are right there on the other side of the bars and Raph is about to explode, Shredder's just "meh" and walks away.

Come on, you're Shredder, you kinda hate all of them and those bars probably aren't much of a barrier for you?

The rest need their own personal vendettas on him after recent events.

09-29-2014, 09:33 PM	#1
Bitsy83 Hench Mutant Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: My house Posts: 266	You think Shredder might come after Donnie? This has been on my mind a lot since "The Lonely Mutation of Baxter Stockman." Remember how when Stockman kidnapped April, she told him that Donnie had made retromutagen and could make him a batch to turn him back to normal? I wonder if he shared that information with Shredder? I know the Shredder thinks that the Kraang will turn Karai back to normal, but I highly doubt that's high on their "To-Do List." Like Tiger Claw said, they care nothing about humans and could really care less if a few get mutated here and there. Heck, how do we know they weren't already mutating people before that whole shipment got spilled all over New York? So, who's to say they're going to keep their end of the bargain and help Karai? They've pretty much taken over New York, so I doubt even Shredder and his clan could face them. Shredder may discover that Donnie has successfully created a retromutagen from Stockman or one of his allies and organizes a kidnapping once they track down the Turtles. He either gets the Kraang to help him or maybe Tiger Claw (since he's a hunter and all) and gets Donnie, bringing him back to New York. This would also be a great way for the Turtles to decide to go back to New York to save Donnie. Also, let's say that before this happens, Donnie finally tells April how he feels and she...doesn't return the affections (We still don't know if those storyboards are real or not). This crushes Donnie's spirit and he goes off into the woods to be alone, only to be captured by Kraang or Tiger Claw and taken back to New York via portal. And, maybe while Donnie's captive, Shredder figures out that he has feelings for April and he's going through his own love triangle like the one he went through with Teng Shen. Maybe he tries to tempt him to the dark side? Hey, Leo was with the Foot in the comics for awhile and didn't Raph become Shredder at one point? Why not have Donnie sort of see a kindred spirit in Shredder? (Or at least make him believe that while he backstabs him or whatever.) I'm sure this won't happen, but I do have a feeling that eventually, Donnie's knowledge of retromutegen will attract some negative outcomes, whether from the Kraang, Shredder....or maybe the Earth Protection Force? __________________ "Question: Do you like penicillin on your pizza?"

09-29-2014, 10:00 PM	#2
Ashwolf Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 540	would be wicked if that happened as a outcome on shredder trying to get Donnie on his side I pretty much thought the same thing after he finished making the retromutagen and its bound to happen somewhere along the line, stockman was just the beginning of it __________________

09-29-2014, 11:04 PM	#6
victory_angel Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Ca Posts: 3,108	Yes, the retromutagen does paint a big red target on Donnie's shell. I don't see Donnie turning to the Shredder's cause willingly. I mean yeah Shredder could maybe see or learn about Donnie's feelings for April and April supposedly having feelings for Casey. So Shredder could try and entice Donnie's jealousy, but Donnie is a better person then that. And even if Donnie does fall for it, he knows the Shredder can't be trusted. So he could make retromutagen, but fail to add the key ingredient, April's DNA and obviously Shredder would want to test it out. So maybe Shredder tests it on Fishface turning him into Armagon. He's short sighted enough to test it on Donnie, but yet if he does that he doesn't have anyone to make the Retromutagen unless he has stockman take notes. __________________

09-29-2014, 11:05 PM	#7
Electric Epic Hiatus Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,484	I'm all for this. I know it's another Donnie centered plot so people will complain, but I'm a Donnie fan, so I say go for it As far as a dark turtle, it'd be cool to see dark Donnie, but I think it'd have to be more of a mind control brainwashing thing rather than shredder persuading him. Would be interesting though, as opposed to having dark Leo who's a threat physically, I could see dark Donnie building all these weapons and droids for shredder, and using them against his brothers __________________

09-30-2014, 07:54 AM	#12
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Hmm, that's an interesting concept. I don't know if this will happen in the future, but I don't know if Shredder will do that right away. He might wait and see if the Kraang help him first, and if they don't, then he could always kidnap Donnie and force him to make it. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

09-29-2014, 10:16 PM	#3
ssjup81 Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Central Virginia (Back in the US) Posts: 4,734	I mentioned that it would be nice if everyone is after Donnie for retromutagen. I wouldn't want Donnie to join Shredder for a reason that petty though.

09-29-2014, 10:57 PM	#5
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,295	I could see them having great interest in getting a hold of him, though I couldn't really see Donnie being persuaded if they tried to tempt him to join them willingly. I'm only loosely aware of the Leo story, though I believe there was brainwashing involved(?), I'm sure that would have to be the case with Donnie as well, he's too smart and good spirited otherwise. One catch also however... Did Donnie use April's DNA in the actual creation of the retromutagen? They might have to be after her too in that case. Although if they succeeded they could use her as leverage to make him cooperate.

09-29-2014, 11:34 PM	#9
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	Ah, instead of going for Leo, Shredder going for Donnie? How refreshing.

09-29-2014, 11:36 PM	#10
ssjup81 Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Central Virginia (Back in the US) Posts: 4,734	I still wonder though if he can even use his normal retromutagen on perfected mutagen. Would he have to use perfected mutagen to create a retromutagen for the current set of Kraang mutants?

09-29-2014, 11:46 PM	#11
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	And he can't easily cure Karai since her mutagen batch was "tainted" by Baxter Stockman.

09-30-2014, 12:27 PM	#14
blindturtle02 Foot Elite Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Tx Posts: 2,627	I'd love to see this. You don't really see a lot of Shredder/Donnie interaction. I'd watch this arc if we got it. __________________ Please don't remove my nice hat and wack me in the butt with it.

09-30-2014, 04:15 PM	#15
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Yeah, me, too. I think it would be awesome. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

09-30-2014, 06:18 PM	#17
blindturtle02 Foot Elite Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Tx Posts: 2,627	Cool, Bitsy. Ciro and crew have already said that they like-- um, that character you mentioned. It was in the Comic-Con 2014 panel. So I could see that happening. That'd make one terrific arc. I say it's only a matter of time until we get that particular duo one way or another. Heck, we got one out of the two already. __________________ Please don't remove my nice hat and wack me in the butt with it.

09-30-2014, 11:10 PM	#20
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,295	Can agree, wouldn't mind seeing the others have their own storylines with Shredder. Unless I've forgotten something, I don't even get what this Shredder's deal is with Leo in the first place. Or is it simply that it is, as you mentioned, Warhorse, 'tradition'? I mean, he was so dead set on nearly destroying Leo in the finale, and then when the rest of them are right there on the other side of the bars and Raph is about to explode, Shredder's just "meh" and walks away. Come on, you're Shredder, you kinda hate all of them and those bars probably aren't much of a barrier for you? The rest need their own personal vendettas on him after recent events.