NYCC 2014 TMNT panel - Page 7

*Warhorse* · 10-05-2014, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

It's funny cause that's the Nickelodeon Exec's favourite episode "By Far"!

Clearly Nick is run by 5 year olds...

Maybe that's why they hate Korra so much!

Stuff like this makes me wonder how in the hell good episodes like Wrath Of Tiger Claw, Vengence is Mine, Slash and Destroy and Target April O Neil were actually green lit to be made.

*Luckyday* · 10-05-2014, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

It's funny cause that's the Nickelodeon Exec's favourite episode "By Far"!

Clearly Nick is run by 5 year olds...

Maybe that's why they hate Korra so much!

Maybe it would be bad to keep suggesting to use the A:TLA crew for Mikey's feudal japan story.

RedOnYellow · 10-05-2014, 05:17 PM

Never trust an exec. Them saying it's their 'favorite episode by far' is just their way of saying 'yeah, we know it wasn't received too hotly, so I gotta cover for it'.

It's a company defending its product.

*Bry* · 10-05-2014, 05:20 PM

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To me the hate for that episode is greatly exaggerated. It's by far the goofiest episode in the series, and it no doubt clashed with the darker plotline that surrounded it, but I thought it had some genuinely funny moments.

I would consider it one of the 'lows' of the season, but the hate on it I've seen around here is almost drama-mongering.

The plus side is, at least for the time being, you can just say it was all a dream if you want to!

But... I actually kinda liked it? I probably prefer that it doesn't "count", but there was some funny weirdness in there that I dug. As a one-off that doesn't impact anything else, it was a lot of fun. As long as they keep it that way and don't bring Pizza Face back.

We've seen that Antonio's is still in business as normal since then, right?

Konchadunga · 10-05-2014, 05:42 PM

Which episodes did Auman write?

*BubblyShell22* · 10-05-2014, 05:50 PM

I can't remember all of them, but he did write "Within The Woods" and I loved that episode.

*Warhorse* · 10-05-2014, 05:54 PM

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I can't remember all of them, but he did write "Within The Woods" and I loved that episode.

Mutation Situation, Kraang Conspiracy, The Lonely Mutation of Baxter Stockman, cowrote the Manhattan Project two parter. I can't remember too much. It seems the episodes start to get promising, but then end up on the (WTF did I just watch) front.

*Luckyday* · 10-05-2014, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhorse

Mutation Situation, Kraang Conspiracy, The Lonely Mutation of Baxter Stockman, cowrote the Manhattan Project two parter. I can't remember too much. It seems the episodes start to get promising, but then end up on the (WTF did I just watch) front.

The Mutation Situation didn't really have much going on other then Kirby getting Mutated and April disowning the turtles. Mutation of Baxter Stockman made me mad for personal one side reasons. Kraang Conspiracy was pretty much what WarHorse have said.

The only ones that I like was The Invasion and Into the Woods but that about it. He's a very hit or miss type of guy.

I think the problem with some of his episodes is that they can be a little rush and not well thought out. You have idiot ball moments here and there.

*BabyTurtles* · 10-05-2014, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhorse

Mutation Situation, Kraang Conspiracy, The Lonely Mutation of Baxter Stockman, cowrote the Manhattan Project two parter. I can't remember too much. It seems the episodes start to get promising, but then end up on the (WTF did I just watch) front.

ugh...

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I feel like such a stick in the mud

RedOnYellow · 10-05-2014, 06:30 PM

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ugh...

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I feel like such a stick in the mud

If you don't like his writing, you don't like his writing. For me, he's wrote some of the best episodes (The Invasion Part 1, Baxter's mutation, Within the Woods) and some of the worst (Mutation Situation).

A lot of people in here are Doom and Gloom about him becoming the head writer and saying that the show's future quality is in jeapordy. I think those people are just churning up something to whine about.

*Warhorse* · 10-05-2014, 06:36 PM

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ugh...

Spoiler:

I feel like such a stick in the mud

I don't remember too much of the Baxter Stockman and Mutation Situation, they are kind of forgettable for me. The Kraang Conspiracy started out good, and I actually loved the moment when the first meet Kurtzman, and when he sees April and starts to go for her, it was Leo, not Donnie, that got in between them in a protective stance for April. Then, I remember seeing all of these April clones and April Derps, and that is when I was like, W-T-F is going on? The beginning of the episode is your mind off drugs The ending of the episode is the result of your mind on drugs. The Manhattan Project, I agree with you about the gang split up and the love triangle, and this is when I think the downslide for Raphael started. I would have rather had Casey Jones teamed up with Raph, or better yet, Raph teamed up with Casey, April and Donnie. Only thing I really liked about the episode was Tigerclaw.

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If you don't like his writing, you don't like his writing. For me, he's wrote some of the best episodes (The Invasion Part 1, Baxter's mutation, Within the Woods) and some of the worst (Mutation Situation).

A lot of people in here are Doom and Gloom about him becoming the head writer and saying that the show's future quality is in jeapordy. I think those people are just churning up something to whine about.

Hmmmm, you write like you have a personal stake in all of this. Why so defensive of the guy? Hmmmm?

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*BabyTurtles* · 10-05-2014, 06:47 PM

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I would have rather had Casey Jones teamed up with Raph, or better yet, Raph teamed up with Casey, April and Donnie. Only thing I really liked about the episode was Tigerclaw.

I just want more Raph and Casey actually being friends...so far all they do together is fight things...but other than that they don't seem like best friends or anything....

Donnie and Casey might complain alot but even they seem to talk more and hang. I think the writers are putting WAY to much emphasis on their love rivalry.

Kinda makes me wish Casey was oblivious to Donnie's crush.

also TigerClaw is cool...kinda wish he was more of a threat though...he seemed to be de-powered pretty fast...

*Luckyday* · 10-05-2014, 07:03 PM

I suppose if you really digging deep for a silver lining, it's that with Brandon as Head Writer, he can concentrate on the concepts and hopeful leave the execution to the rest of the writing staff.

Maybe he has a clear outline plot? Probably something to do with the kraang.

RedOnYellow · 10-05-2014, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhorse

Hmmmm, you write like you have a personal stake in all of this. Why so defensive of the guy? Hmmmm?

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I don't know who either of those are. I'm just calling it as I see it.

*Warhorse* · 10-05-2014, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

I just want more Raph and Casey actually being friends...so far all they do together is fight things...but other than that they don't seem like best friends or anything....

Donnie and Casey might complain alot but even they seem to talk more and hang. I think the writers are putting WAY to much emphasis on their love rivalry.

Kinda makes me wish Casey was oblivious to Donnie's crush.

also TigerClaw is cool...kinda wish he was more of a threat though...he seemed to be de-powered pretty fast...

It gets even more messed up when I think about it. Raph and Casey were hanging out together in The Invasion episode, and what does Casey want to talk about? April. Before that, Raph and Casey were in that Newtralizer episode, and in this, Casey was messing up so bad, Raph didn't want him to be with them when they were on missions.

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I don't know who either of those are. I'm just calling it as I see it.

Eh, that hidden comment was more for people who know me than for you.

*BabyTurtles* · 10-05-2014, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Warhorse

It gets even more messed up when I think about it. Raph and Casey were hanging out together in The Invasion episode, and what does Casey want to talk about? April. Before that, Raph and Casey were in that Newtralizer episode, and in this, Casey was messing up so bad, Raph didn't want him to be with them when they were on missions.

yea...kinda missing Raph and Casey's bond in 2003.

Konchadunga · 10-05-2014, 09:29 PM

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yea...kinda missing Raph and Casey's bond in 2003.

Along with almost every hallmark of the character. As much as people complain about April being objectified--and they're not wrong-at least she's different things to different characters. Casey, though, essentially serves no purpose other than to complicate Donatello's obsessive puppy-love. What a poignant occurrence that he wasn't even allowed to stay the heir of the farmhouse, because God forbid we imply this dude has any ancestors!

*Warhorse* · 10-05-2014, 09:46 PM

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Along with almost every hallmark of the character. As much as people complain about April being objectified--and they're not wrong-at least she's different things to different characters. Casey, though, essentially serves no purpose other than to complicate Donatello's obsessive puppy-love. What a poignant occurrence that he wasn't even allowed to stay the heir of the farmhouse, because God forbid we imply this dude has any ancestors!

Yeah, I seen that, but I think they made it April's place because of all of the stuff that's going to be coming out because of her mom. I'm just surprised to not see everyone having a radio nearby like in Harry Potter so they can have an idea what is going on with the rest of the world. I am going to assume though, maybe we might see a stray paper laying around on a table.

*Refractive Reflections* · 10-06-2014, 04:29 AM

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What exactly did people like about Irma's character in this version? Was she even in the show enough for some of you to form this kind of attachment where you want to go to NYCC just to complain to Ciro? I don't get it.

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^ This. We didn't even see her as much as Casey or April, so I'm not that attached to the character.

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Well, I liked her better than April because she seemed to have more of a personality. April is just there right now. Either she's complaining or explaining stuff, but, we still don't know anything about her. Not to mention, Irma's get up was so wild and interesting, one could only guess what her character would develop into if she was explored more.

I think the reason why people like Irma, was that she represented the non-TMNT life of April, which some have pointed out earlier and showed at least one girl-to-girl friendship bond in the series (which was shown in the OT series). Nick Irma wasn't much of an established character, but the big reveal undermined the possibility of expanding the character. (Then again the show hasn't really bother with character depth for a prolonged amount of time this season [excluding Karai], so... maybe the disappointment is unjustified.)

For me, what's the most frustrating with the big reveal is that in the beginning and middle of Season 2 (and even throughout Season 1 upon hindsight), April was touted as being the most crucial part of the Kraangs' plan and how they wanted to constantly kidnap her, but upon hindsight after watching the Season 2 finale, Krang Sub-Prime could have easily kidnapped April at around the time of "A Chinatown Ghost Story" episode when it was strongly hinted Irma was something other than human. (Even if we go with the notion that "human Irma" was somehow swapped before that episode.) It makes the reveal of Krang Sub-Prime wanting to know the Turtles' lair in first place (rather than the Kraang initially focusing on April, which was more important for one and a half seasons), seem more or less shoehorned, just to introduce the whole Southampton arc for Season 3. Ugh... again another example of plotline amnesia. It's why I can't emotionally invest in this series or care about most suspense scenes anymore, because 6-10 episodes later, more often the plotline will be ignored or contradict itself in a later development upon hindsight.

...I mean if the show doesn't care enough to address these details that it creates with its own storywriting, why should I?

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What did Irma say or do that made her "cooler than April"?

Maybe because Irma wasn't as "Mary Sue-ish" as April was.

MaximeLoonatic · 10-06-2014, 05:35 AM

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I think the reason why people like Irma, was that she represented the non-TMNT life of April, which some have pointed out earlier and showed at least one girl-to-girl friendship bond in the series (which was shown in the OT series). Nick Irma wasn't much of an established character, but the big reveal undermined the possibility of expanding the character. (Then again the show hasn't really bother with character depth for a prolonged amount of time this season [excluding Karai], so... maybe the disappointment is unjustified.)

For me, what's the most frustrating with the big reveal is that in the beginning and middle of Season 2 (and even throughout Season 1 upon hindsight), April was touted as being the most crucial part of the Kraangs' plan and how they wanted to constantly kidnap her, but upon hindsight after watching the Season 2 finale, Krang Sub-Prime could have easily kidnapped April at around the time of "A Chinatown Ghost Story" episode when it was strongly hinted Irma was something other than human. (Even if we go with the notion that "human Irma" was somehow swapped before that episode.) It makes the reveal of Krang Sub-Prime wanting to know the Turtles' lair in first place (rather than the Kraang initially focusing on April, which was more important for one and a half seasons), seem more or less shoehorned, just to introduce the whole Southampton arc for Season 3. Ugh... again another example of plotline amnesia. It's why I can't emotionally invest in this series or care about most suspense scenes anymore, because 6-10 episodes later, more often the plotline will be ignored or contradict itself in a later development upon hindsight.

...I mean if the show doesn't care enough to address these details that it creates with its own storywriting, why should I?

Maybe because Irma wasn't as "Mary Sue-ish" as April was.

AND as what I remember for season 1 April said that she had friends on school and Irma did called her a few episodes before the Kraang discovers where she studies. Did really subprime was in that time Irma? I don't think so!

Anyway there's was NEVER a single hint that Irma was a robot all along, they didn't give any single! They even gave hints that Karai it's Miwa, right?

Besides, don't you think that April might need something from her past live before the Kraang or the mutants? She has lost her father, and now she saw her best friend being a robot. Can't she have someone, besides Casey, who doesn't get screw up?!

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RedOnYellow Thug Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 72	Never trust an exec. Them saying it's their 'favorite episode by far' is just their way of saying 'yeah, we know it wasn't received too hotly, so I gotta cover for it'. It's a company defending its product.