Dragonball and Z discussion

[Slade]

Originally Posted by pandaderek

My worst experience with Dragon Ball Z is when Cartoon Network kept replaying the whole Namik series from the beginning because they didn't have the whole series, at that time. So, one day, they'd have a new episode, then, the next day, they start from the beginning.

Originally Posted by DarkFell

I remember that as well..which is why I was beyond excited when the Trunks Saga was finally shown. Because we finally got to leave Planet Namek BEHIND.

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

Yeah, those were some dark times, and I definitely think it contributed to Trunks' popularity as well.

God damn, did it take forever. I was in 5th grade when I first starting watching the show. Funny thing, nobody in my school knew what it was. Get to 6th, it's right under Poke'mon in popularity..

Anyway, I'm not entirely sure, but I think the VHS tapes came out before the episoded aired. Not sure like I said, but I know I got them and watched them before I saw Trunks on Toonami.

[Mandy Chan]

Ha I love Dragonball Z. It was one of the Anime series that acutely got me in to Anime. Dragonball is fun, but I totally despise GT..

[Allio]

Hoping to get Xenoverse, gonna make me a 10/10 Majin girl


Probably call her Robin or Zelda (for the obvious joke)

[TheCanadiandrome]

rofl! nice one Allio

[DarkFell]

Originally Posted by Allio

Hoping to get Xenoverse, gonna make me a 10/10 Majin girl
http://i.imgur.com/vVxf6Km.gif

Probably call her Robin or Zelda (for the obvious joke)

I think I recognize that female Buu character. I know someone on Deviantart that made her as an OC character.
http://epe-tohri.deviantart.com/art/...on-128325264 :

[TheCanadiandrome]

i'm excited i'm going to get to meet both Chris Sabat & Mike McFarland!

[THGhost]

I've loved DBZ since it started airing on Cartoon Network in the 90s. I've never seen the original Dragon Ball but I no doubt will someday.

My favourite character has always been Vegeta and my favourite villain is Frieza.

Originally Posted by FoxBoxKid

Still waiting for the Kai season 5 dub.

Ditto!

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

GT isn't canon anymore...

Was it ever?

[shuriken]

SOOOO have you guys heard of the new movie coming out bringing back Frieza? Should be neat I guess.
To Be honest I'm awaiting the next episode of team four star's abridged series more.

[DarkFell]

Originally Posted by shuriken

SOOOO have you guys heard of the new movie coming out bringing back Frieza? Should be neat I guess.
To Be honest I'm awaiting the next episode of team four star's abridged series more.

Same here. I'm curious to see what TFS does to the post Android Saga Pre-Cell Saga. I sorta feel that Frieza has had enough closure in the regular series *and movies* although I might watch the movie anyway just for the sake of curiosity.

[tmntpower1988]

Originally Posted by THGhost

I've loved DBZ since it started airing on Cartoon Network in the 90s. I've never seen the original Dragon Ball but I no doubt will someday.

My favourite character has always been Vegeta and my favourite villain is Frieza.



Ditto!



Was it ever?

Dragon Ball is hilarious It's a really perverted show Master Roshi has me in stitches laughing every time haha

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by tmntpower1988

Dragon Ball is hilarious It's a really perverted show Master Roshi has me in stitches laughing every time haha

Yeah, I hear it's completely different to Z in terms of tone. Once the dub for the Buu saga of Kai is released and I've watched it I'll start Dragon Ball - I'll consider it a prequel to Z.

[sdp]

I saw the original Dragon Ball in Mexico in the early 90s and liked it, it was a funny show with action, up to middle of the Red Ribbon Saga and then there were only repeats. In the US DB obviously didn't air because of its sexual content and no one knew of the show or other animes I had watched so I kind of forgot about it since I had no one to talk about it in the US as a kid and instead would talk about Power Rangers or whatever was popular at the time. When I returned to Mexico for they had already aired a bunch more episodes and I was surprised by how awesome the show got with more action instead of comedy and got to see the "new" episodes of the Piccolo saga. By that time there were tons of japanese DBZ posters everywhere and I couldn't wait to get to those episodes and eventually they started airing. A lot of people in Mexico got into DBZ as their first show in the series but since DB aired completely many times you found plenty of people who had already seen the entire of DB. It took forever but eventually they finished the Freeza saga, this was the peak of the franchise in Mexico and for me as well. I then moved again to the US DBZ had just began airing, but I didn't feel like re-watching all of the Freeza saga AGAIN and didn't like that people didn't appreciate who some characters were because they started with DBZ or wouldn't like DB because DBZ is so different. I did see most of the Android/Cell/Majin Buu sagas when I would go on vacation to Mexico but I was beginning now a teenager so I didn't care nor did I care when those sagas eventually came to the US since I had moved on to girls and music. When I saw DBGT which I had always wanted to watch since I remember seeing SSJ4 scans back when DBZ was only airing the Saiyan saga I liked it, I had already known about the negativity that saga had but I liked the combination of DB era adventure with DBZ action and thought the ending was really good.

I always hated how all the movies broke continuity and would think of convoluted ways to make them fit haha. So yeah I like DB but got fed up with the fandom of DBZ, but I like all of it, I haven't rewatched the show since I saw it for the first time but I do want to eventually marathon all of DB/Z/GT/Movies one of these days. It's definitely a shonen anime of its time and has great characters and story but it's far from the greatest thing ever created and many animes get shunned because of the popularity of DBZ, that's the only beef I have against the franchise.

As for DBZ revivals post-GT, I've only watched" Vegeta's brother" special and the new movie, both were enjoyable, since they were comedy oriented however I'm not sure if I'd be able to stand another "serious" DBZ type show again, after DBZ finished it had gotten pretty ridiculous that without a huge comedic tone in between like the original/GT/new specials have its hard to take seriously.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

GT isn't canon anymore so it no longer matters. The 2013 DBZ movie retconned it, and they're making a sequel next year.

Isn't canon anymore? Who made that decision? Akira Toriyama? The guy who can't even remember what SSJ2 is and mentioned all SSJ forms are just small powerups and only the first SSJ form is the real one? And forgets many things from the DB lore post-Freeza saga and retcons most of his ideas? Akira Toriyama is the George Lucas of Anime and it's more than clear that he can't outgrow the Freeza saga and that its where the story should've ended since he obviously only wrote the other parts because of money and now he's trying to retract them.

**** it, I actually enjoy GT as much as the post-Freeza sagas, and the new movies don't pose many big contradictions anyway as far as I recall, there are just as many contradictions in the actual show itself. It's not like the new movie was super consistent either with the lore and personalities, even if I did enjoy the movie. So yeah, it's clear that Toriyama doesn't care about continuity as much as fans do so I always find annoying internet people telling you that "GT isn't canon because Toriyama said so", irrelevant. It's only not canon in the manga.

[THGhost]

Any recent news regarding the dub for the Buu saga of Kai yet?

Originally Posted by sdp

Isn't canon anymore? Who made that decision? Akira Toriyama?

I think pretty much every fan decided it considering the fact that it pails in comparison to Ball & Z. And the fact that Battle Of Gods retconned it. Plus, didn't Toriyama have no involvement with it?

Growing up in the 90s, GT was never considered canon by anyone that I knew who watched it.

We're getting a little sidetracked here; the thread title is "Dragonball and Z discussion". Might wanna add GT to it.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by THGhost

Yeah, I hear it's completely different to Z in terms of tone. Once the dub for the Buu saga of Kai is released and I've watched it I'll start Dragon Ball - I'll consider it a prequel to Z.

Dragonball was a comedy with a little action until the final season.

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by sdp

it's clear that Toriyama doesn't care about continuity as much as fans do so I always find annoying internet people telling you that "GT isn't canon because Toriyama said so", irrelevant. It's only not canon in the manga.

Toriyama was involved with GT, but just like the movies, it just isn't canon for the same reasons the movies aren't canon -- it's additional content and nothing more. Toriyama has even said that GT is a side story. Sure, he's not the best creator and his attitude about his own manga is pretty bad [but let's be real, he has reasons for being that way] but he's still the creator, that doesn't change because you don't like him. Your post is oozing bias, so you should take a step back and re-evaluate it.

[Slade]

Originally Posted by sdp

Isn't canon anymore? Who made that decision? Akira Toriyama? The guy who can't even remember what SSJ2 is and mentioned all SSJ forms are just small powerups and only the first SSJ form is the real one? And forgets many things from the DB lore post-Freeza saga and retcons most of his ideas? Akira Toriyama is the George Lucas of Anime and it's more than clear that he can't outgrow the Freeza saga and that its where the story should've ended since he obviously only wrote the other parts because of money and now he's trying to retract them.

**** it, I actually enjoy GT as much as the post-Freeza sagas, and the new movies don't pose many big contradictions anyway as far as I recall, there are just as many contradictions in the actual show itself. It's not like the new movie was super consistent either with the lore and personalities, even if I did enjoy the movie. So yeah, it's clear that Toriyama doesn't care about continuity as much as fans do so I always find annoying internet people telling you that "GT isn't canon because Toriyama said so", irrelevant. It's only not canon in the manga.

Actually, I do believe he did. I think there is a new interview out there somewhere.

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by Slade

Actually, I do believe he did. I think there is a new interview out there somewhere.

Yeah, as I said, Toriyama called it a side story. Non-canon.

The problem is that sdp isn't going to take that as evidence because they like GT and dislike Toriyama, instead of looking at it objectively.

[Slade]

I know he said it was a good side story, but isn't that a bit old now? I could have sworn I saw something new where he actually does say GT is not canon ever since Battle of Gods. Maybe that's it though.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Dragonball was a comedy with a little action until the final season.

Sounds good.

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

Toriyama was involved with GT, but just like the movies, it just isn't canon for the same reasons the movies aren't canon -- it's additional content and nothing more.

I was under the impression that Toriyama had no involvement whatsoever, which would explain the show's overall quality. How involved was he? It can't been all that much.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who agrees that GT is non-canon. It just wouldn't make sense if it was. The only thing I liked about GT was Pan.

Originally Posted by Slade

I know he said it was a good side story, but isn't that a bit old now? I could have sworn I saw something new where he actually does say GT is not canon ever since Battle of Gods. Maybe that's it though.

If there ever was any doubt, Battle of Gods definitely confirmed that GT was non-canon.

[sdp]

My question was a rhetorical one but you guys missed the point. Akira Toriyama isn't consistent on any interviews not to mention he helped make GT. I don't love GT, I don't care for it any more than I do Z. I'm a casual Dragon Ball fan and haven't watched it since I was a kid besides clips here and there, I have no stakes in the franchise nor grudges with the creator, how am I being biased? I just think it's silly fans shun GT just because they don't like it even though it was billed by Toei themselves as the continuation of Z and its content is used in DB videogames even today. I understand GT not having anything to do with the Manga canon but "Akira Toriyama's canon" is inconsistent not to mention he doesn't seem to care much for the franchise nor anything that happened to it post-namek saga in which anycase Dragon Ball Online is also "toriyama's continuation" to DBZ. The Battle of the god's movie doesn't really have big contradictions to GT anyway, you just have fans shouting it out as if vegeta's brother negates everything or whatever as if DB in general wasn't full of much bigger "canon" inconsistencies. Hell, the new movie has Freeza being a threat again because of some convoluted revival and "4 months of training". DB is dumb fun and its ridiculous that fans can get so angry about GT being canon or not when the creator doesn't take it that seriously and the show itself isn't consistent either.

edit:jeeze, apparently they made a new Bardock special and now he became a super saiyan?