Official Ep Discussion: S3 Ep11: "The Pig and the Rhino"

[yellowmario27]

I enjoyed this episode! I think Leo's voice sounded really good here, he doesn't sound old anymore~
I don't want to over analyze anything but do you think the way Leo splits up the groups he has a reason or just random
April/Donnie cause he knows Donnie likes her?
Raph/Casey cause he knows they're good friends?

just wondering!

Also at the end, Shredder is like "we will cure you, and then have our revenge"
and i'm assuming he means on the turtles, but wasn't his fault Karai got mutated?

Or during the fight sequences did one of the turtles accidentally push her into the mutagen?

I don't remember

[Vicky82]

IGN Review up.

8.5

http://uk.ign.com/articles/2015/03/0...e-rhino-review

[Jephael]

This is by far my most favorite episode. Not only did I love the part with Mikey naming Bebop and Rocksteady, but I couldn't help but feel they provided some fan service to those of us who are aware that in the original cartoon Donatello and Leonardo's voice actors also played Bebop and Rocksteady. Then again I might be reading too much into it.

[DarkLightDragon]

Originally Posted by yellowmario27

Also at the end, Shredder is like "we will cure you, and then have our revenge"
and i'm assuming he means on the turtles, but wasn't his fault Karai got mutated?

Because he's still in denial of any wrongdoing. Admitting that it was his fault would require him to actually not scapegoat someone else for it.

[Huzzah]

Originally Posted by yellowmario27

I enjoyed this episode! I think Leo's voice sounded really good here, he doesn't sound old anymore~
I don't want to over analyze anything but do you think the way Leo splits up the groups he has a reason or just random
April/Donnie cause he knows Donnie likes her?
Raph/Casey cause he knows they're good friends?

just wondering!

Also at the end, Shredder is like "we will cure you, and then have our revenge"
and i'm assuming he means on the turtles, but wasn't his fault Karai got mutated?

Or during the fight sequences did one of the turtles accidentally push her into the mutagen?

I don't remember

Yeah, he was the reason she was mutated. It was pretty much wholly his fault, but he's delusional at this point. Shredder's mind has kind of snapped and he's convinced himself that he always loved Karai as a daughter (despite using her as bait and locking her up in a cell), and the Turtles and Splinter are the sole reason they aren't a happy family. Shredder's skill set remain, but he's slowly losing his grip on reality in this situation, and he's become dangerously obsessive, which could either aid or abet him in future episodes. I'm convinced Tigerclaw has noticed this, and is very close to leaving the Shredder's service and I don't think he'll be leaving alone.

I mean when half of your Army (Bebop, Rocksteady, Karai and Baxter) all see Shredder as the cause for the way they are, that doesn't necessarily secure absolute loyalty, and his other two mutant henchmen have pretty much just become cannon fodder, Fish-Face particularly realizing that he has pretty much nothing to offer compared to the others, I don't see in real loyalty in Shredder's ranks. Rahzar may stay loyal, mostly because he's loyal to the Foot, but other than that, I see Shredder's support quickly deteriorating.

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by DarkLightDragon

Admitting that it was his fault would require him to actually not scapegoat someone else for it.

Man I hope when they bring in Renet we get to witness what exactly drove Shredder to this point. He's been evil in the past, but this time around he's just plain crazy.

[CyberCubed]

Its actually hard to believe Shredder now has 6 mutant henchmen:

- Rahzar
- Fishface
- Tiger Claw
- Baxter Stockman
- Bebop
- Rocksteady

Starting to feel a little crowded, which makes me wonder if someones is going to be bumped off at some point. I can see Fishface quitting and returning to the Purple Dragons.

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Its actually hard to believe Shredder now has 6 mutant henchmen:

- Rahzar
- Fishface
- Tiger Claw
- Baxter Stockman
- Bebop
- Rocksteady

Starting to feel a little crowded, which makes me wonder if someones is going to be bumped off at some point. I can see Fishface quitting and returning to the Purple Dragons.

Nah, I kinda like this group. It's way more diverse than it was in the old days. Besides we're getting the Mighty Mutanimals next episode, so there's bound to be an epic battle between both teams.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Jephael

Nah, I kinda like this group. It's way more diverse than it was in the old days. Besides we're getting the Mighty Mutanimals next episode, so there's bound to be an epic battle between both teams.

Yeah, its kinda funny how in the original toon Shredder/Krang never did get to build a mutant army, they just had Bebop/Rocksteady their entire run and that's it.

[Huzzah]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Its actually hard to believe Shredder now has 6 mutant henchmen:

- Rahzar
- Fishface
- Tiger Claw
- Baxter Stockman
- Bebop
- Rocksteady

Starting to feel a little crowded, which makes me wonder if someones is going to be bumped off at some point. I can see Fishface quitting and returning to the Purple Dragons.

I can see that happening with Fish-Face and the Shredder probably won't even care at that point, he's so focused on his vendetta. Tiger Claw will end up leaving I'm certain, and Bebop and Rocksteady are definitely not in it for the long haul, Steranko even said so, claiming they are with Shredder...for now...I don't see them hanging around too terrible long.

[kelligrafie]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Yeah, its kinda funny how in the original toon Shredder/Krang never did get to build a mutant army, they just had Bebop/Rocksteady their entire run and that's it.

There were other members of Bebop and Rocksteady's old gang that got mutated in various experiments that Shredder carried out. And we do see a picture of them on a computer monitor in one episode but I guess they probably scrapped them because of money/time constraints.

[Huzzah]

Plus I'd imagine they would've all been about the same level of smarts as Bebop and Rocksteady, and two dimwits is enough.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Jephael

I couldn't help but feel they provided some fan service to those of us who are aware that in the original cartoon Donatello and Leonardo's voice actors also played Bebop and Rocksteady. Then again I might be reading too much into it.

What do you mean? I didn't catch any reference to that.

[kelligrafie]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

What do you mean? I didn't catch any reference to that.

Me neither - and - the turtle actors played a LOT of smaller roles alongside the turtles. Too many too mention, or pay homage to in a series two/three decades later I think.

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by DarkLightDragon

Because he's still in denial of any wrongdoing. Admitting that it was his fault would require him to actually not scapegoat someone else for it.

Am I the only one that thinks the Karai situation is getting frustrating?
What has happened to her so far:
-Shredder locks her in a cell
-She escapes, goes back, and gets mutated
-She gets captured again
I swear to god. If they make her evil again I'll lose my sh*t.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by Victorsaurus

What happened to her:

Spoiler:

She and a few of the males get captured by Bebob and Rocksteady

What are you talking about? The only one they captured was Karai.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Amaranthus

Am I the only one that thinks the Karai situation is getting frustrating?
What has happened to her so far:
-Shredder locks her in a cell
-She escapes, goes back, and gets mutated
-She gets captured again
I swear to god. If they make her evil again I'll lose my sh*t.

Its also a repeat of the Kirby-bat storyline. April's father gets captured by the Kraang in Season 1 and the Turtles save him. Then he gets mutated into a bat and flies randomly around the city trying to track him down. Then he gets de-mutated. Only to get mutated again by the Kraang later in the season. Then he gets rescued and de-mutated AGAIN.

I think its because if Karai becomes "good" forever and returns to normal, the writers have no clue where to put her since she would logically stay in the lair with her father, Splinter. And they don't want that.

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

What do you mean? I didn't catch any reference to that.

There were a couple moments where Don went up against Bebop and atleast one moment where Leo went up against Rocksteady. Like I said, I might've been just reading too much into it. Hell I get excited even when I see either of those pairs interact in a comic strip.

[IndigoErth]

Loved this one, esp the roller coaster (totally called it ) and fun house, a lot of creativity in how this one was put together. But poor Karai, so sad just wanting to say goodbye. And then getting captured.

He wouldn't hit a lady... but he'd trip one.

Darn them though, now I have to really try to avoid what is or will probably be said about the next one that's posted early online since I'll wait for next weekend instead.

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by Amaranthus

Am I the only one that thinks the Karai situation is getting frustrating?
What has happened to her so far:
-Shredder locks her in a cell
-She escapes, goes back, and gets mutated
-She gets captured again
I swear to god. If they make her evil again I'll lose my sh*t.

Good thing this is isn't a live action drama like the shows based on DC and Marvel characters, otherwise they'd probably "kill her off" and then bring her back a few episodes later.