Kill off Fishface, Rahzar and Tiger Claw

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Ninturtle

This makes no sense Shredder wants a mutant army so why would he kill his mutants.

Nobody said that Shredder would be the one to do it.

[Vicky82]

Looks like something big is going to happen to Fishface

Christian Lanz ‏@ChristianLanz 37m
Putting the finishing touches on my favorite #TMNT episode to date! Stay tuned #Finatics.. You'll dig this one. #Xever #Fishface

Probably won't happen until season 4 though.

[victory_angel]

I don't see the Shredder's backstory as inconsistent, it's more of a puzzle that doesn't have all the pieces.

Oroku Saki was found as an infant by Hamato Yoshi's father when the Foot Clan was attacked by the Hamato Clan. Question-(Why was the Foot Clan Attacked aside from the fact they were a rival clan.)

Hamato Papa takes pity on Oroku Saki and raises him as his own. Speculation-(So we can sort of believe that Oroku Saki was raised and cared for by Hamato Papa and Splinter does say he thought of Oroku Saki as a brother. Maybe they have a John Snow Vs. House Stark kind of situation.)

Hamato Yoshi and Oroku Saki were trained together and had sibling like rivalry's about things.

We also know that at some point they were apart of the Japanese Self Defense Force

At some point they met Tang Shen and both men fell in love with her. Tang Shen however chose Hamato Yoshi as her husband. Oroku Saki and allows himself to be consumed with jealousy.

(This is where things get dicey. In the images where we see Saki and Yoshi as children we see Saki struggling at something while Yoshi fairs much better. Such as the point where they are breaking boards, you see Yoshi succeed in breaking all the boards but Saki is clutching his hand in pain.)

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(So right away we are getting a Yoshi is Saki's better vibe.
So perhaps Saki sees himself perpetually living in Yoshi's shadow and Tang Shen was just one more thing for Yoshi to lord over him. )

At some unknown point he discovered he was from the Foot Clan and that the family that had raised and cared for him killed his parents. Which in his mind is the biggest betrayal of them all.

He leaves and reforms the Foot Clan and comes back for revenge and what he believes is his by right.

As for Fishface, Rahzar, and Tiger Claw. Rahzar would stay because obviously he's loyal to the Shredder. He's the Shredder's attack dog. Fishface it's possible he could leave the Foot Clan, but it's also possible he could second mutate into Armagon.

Tiger Claw...I can see him leaving eventually. I mean we don't entirely know why he decided to join up with the Shredder. We know he doesn't really like the Kraang because of what the Kraang did to him. And the fact that Shredder had allied himself with the Kraang was most likely a point of contention. We know he wants revenge on the Turtles/Splinter/Casey/and April due to his defeat in Worm Quake. But Donnie is the one he should have the least contention with because Tiger Claw didn't really encounter Donnie in his debut episode.

So lets say Donnie is captured so the Shredder can get the Retromutagen from him. I can see Donnie trying to understand his enemy to try and get Tiger Claw to see what side he's on.

[IndigoErth]

Dunno if Fishface would have a huge amount pulling fro him to stay, though I'm sure Rahzar would have a fair amount... and probably just made some enemies over that suggestion of Tiger Claw.

I'd rather see them just defect and join up with some other bad guy group that's around but we see less of. Although I'm not sure I could see Tiger Claw leaving Shredder, not unless he (continues to?) lose rank with Shredder.

[Ninturtle]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Nobody said that Shredder would be the one to do it.

But then why would the writers kill them if If their goal Is to give Shredder a mutant army.

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by Ninturtle

But then why would the writers kill them if If their goal Is to give Shredder a mutant army.

I don't understand your logic.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Dunno if Fishface would have a huge amount pulling fro him to stay, though I'm sure Rahzar would have a fair amount... and probably just made some enemies over that suggestion of Tiger Claw.

I'd rather see them just defect and join up with some other bad guy group that's around but we see less of. Although I'm not sure I could see Tiger Claw leaving Shredder, not unless he (continues to?) lose rank with Shredder.

Yeah, Killing off that character, would just be criminal in my opinion.

[Garfield]

Nah. how about Having Bebop and Rocksteady defect from Shredder. They seem the most likely to. The only serve him because he forced them to, you know any chance they get the back stab him and jet.

I like Tigerclaw he works the best as Shredder's right hand man and is one of the better new characters in the series. I like Bradford too, though I like him better as Dogpound than "Rahzar"

I think it would be cool if they demutated Fishface. He was way more threatening as Xever and he's been pushed to the back for the most part since he's been mutated.

[senpai]

You can never have too many henchmen.

[pennydreadful]

I definitely don't want to see Fishface, Rahzar or Tigerclaw killed off. I think they're all cool, and Xever is a really interesting character with a lot of depth - he's just sadly under-utilized.

[Keroscene]

I don't have anything against these three and I don't see them being "killed off" but I think it might be a good idea if they went on an accidental trip to Dimension X or something for a while.

I think having so many semi-competent henchmutants just diminishes Shredder a little. He's never been conclusively beaten in battle, yet he keeps relying on people who rarely come through for him. And at the moment there's so many of them that they barely get chance to do anything.

A temporary banishment would put across the idea that he'll only tolerate failure so often.

[Mew]

Not Tiger Claw!
I like him!

[M.O.D.O.K.]

Did they ever address who was the one that cut off Tiger Claw's tail?

[Darth Knuckles]

Originally Posted by M.O.D.O.K.

Did they ever address who was the one that cut off Tiger Claw's tail?

They have not yet. They only alluded that it happened when Tiger Claw was in Asia and that Tiger Claw wants to find the one who did it to him. In my mind, I've always thought it was Miyamoto Usagi.

[Lethal Lullaby]

I like Xever/Fish Face. I for sure don't wanna see him go. I also don't wanna see Tiger Claw or Rhazzar die off either.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Darth Knuckles

In my mind, I've always thought it was Miyamoto Usagi.

I think that's the consensus among most fans, really, it's just we're all waiting for Stan Sakai to give the OK on an appearance from the character.

[Tarris Vaal]

Cant see any of them actually being killed - and I dont think I would want to either at this stage. All three of them have got plenty of potential to grow and develop still (as does Baxter for that matter).

If anything I'd like to see a villain centred ep, where the Turtles appear very little and its largely from Tigerclaw/Rahzar/Fishface's perspective, giving us an insight into how they perceive the events leading to this point.

A shake up in Shredder's team would be much more preferable to killing one or more of them off - The ideas put around of Tigerclaw or Fishface turning traitor to the Foot due to misgivings or Rahzar 'biting the hand that feeds him' would be much more interesting than losing one to a needless fight.

[turtle1237]

Did Cobra have too many henchmen?

[Turtle-X]

i like Tiger Claw. Fishface and Rahzar...not so much.

[Coola Yagami]

Tiger Claw is Shredder's power player, it would be stupid to get rid of him. This isn't the 80's anymore where the bad guy only has 2 or 3 henchmen. If Shredder is supposed to lead a gang that runs the city.... then you know... he needs a gang to run the city, not just one or two guys. Keep em all and maybe add more. Shredder plays for keeps.