Mikey's ADHD/ADD

[BubblyShell22]

Depends on the situation. If someone hits you first, then, yes, you have the right to defend yourself. And if you're hitting someone who stole someone's purse while trying to stop them, that's another thing. Beating up random people? No, that's not cool.

But who cares? The chick wasn't April's mom anyway, so what's the big deal here?

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Depends on the situation. If someone hits you first, then, yes, you have the right to defend yourself. And if you're hitting someone who stole someone's purse while trying to stop them, that's another thing. Beating up random people? No, that's not cool.

But who cares? The chick wasn't April's mom anyway, so what's the big deal here?

I'm starting to think you're just trying to get me angry.

[DarkLightDragon]

Or just continue to not see your side of the argument.

[BubblyShell22]

Originally Posted by Amaranthus

I'm starting to think you're just trying to get me angry.

Not trying to make anyone angry. I already said that if you don't agree with me, that's fine. Just throwing out my two cents here. Sure, Mikey could have handled it better, but he didn't. As I said, I had a bad vibe about someone and told my sis about it, and she didn't listen to me, so I can see why Mikey was upset about the whole thing. He was just going off his instincts. It's not like it can be changed now, so why dwell on it?

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by Jester

I'm rewatching the episode as I type, and Amaranthus is right. Mikey just has "a bad feeling about this" and sees April's mom staring at moon or something...but otherwise he is just suspicious for no clear reason.

Didn't he start getting a bad vibe after he saw her hug April and didn't he look into her eyes or notice a look right before he told Raph that he felt something was off about her? He didn't get the vibe until after her hug. He would know about hugs, given that he gives them a lot. It's like how he reacted to Raph hugging him in the Croaking ep. Mikey giving hugs is normal, Raph giving or initiating hugs out of the blue isn't and Mikey found that weird (I personally found it funny).

I also still wonder if it's because she was a Dimension X creature and that maybe he's more susceptible to them or something, having spent a good amount of time in Dimension X....or the green eyes thing. The ep seemed to focus on that or make it clear that her eyes were green, I felt.

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

You don't have to be a psychic to get a bad vibe about something. I'm proof of that because I've gotten bad vibes about things before and they've always been right. I had a bad vibe that the guy my sister dated wasn't a good person and that the relationship would fail, and it did. So that's the point I'm trying to make here.

Yeah, the sixth sense thing. I feel everyone has this capability. I know I've gotten bad vibes from people before without actually understanding why. My aunt's husband, when I first met him, I had a vibe of distrust. I was wrong...but in the beginning, I did feel that way. I was maybe about 11 or 12 at the time. Something felt off about him...but it did turn out I was wrong. They're still happily married to this day, but maybe at that time, he had done something "not right" and just that over time the feeling went away. Who knows.

Usually kids and animals can pick up on certain people's character traits. Even ICK was reacting to Mom-thing, wasn't she?

Originally Posted by DarkLightDragon

But he's talking about seeing mom-thing do or say something that would indicate she's maybe not April's mom. Him getting a "bad vibe" without sufficient evidence/proof of what he saw or believes isn't a good enough excuse as to why they should automatically believe him.

This is true too, which is why Mikey wanted to try and prove it to the others, but his trying to attack her wasn't the right way to go about it.

One thing I noticed is that this isn't the first time Mikey's been right regarding a character's true intentions...if you can call it that. He was right about Leatherhead, even though he attacked them. He got down to the root of the problem and wanted to help him when the other three didn't. To me, he seemed to sense the good in him which turned out true and he is a nice ally to the turtles (I still miss him grabbing Donnie's face though. *giggles* ). He felt something off with Mom-Thing and acted on it. Not right, but I think the show is showing that Mikey is intuitive and impulsive. He acts on his gut. Sometimes it's a good thing (like charging in to help save Leatherhead from those Kraangbots) and other times it's just....crazy, like his messing with the Retromutagen and inadvertently doing something right.

Originally Posted by Vicky82

I do think that Mikey's bad vibes in Buried Secrets is foreshadowing and will be brought up again later and maybe his bad vibes will be more stronger and his brothers will listen to him this time.

I wonder if Mikey will sense something is wrong with Raph if he ends up under the Mind Control Serum. Raph could act normal at first but then will act strangely later and Mikey could pick up on that.

I got this impression too. We're getting that Dark Raph arc or ep or whatever. I'm even more convinced that Mikey is going to be the first one to notice that something's off with Raph...like how he hugged him in the Punk Frog ep and felt that was strange and rightfully so. Raph NEVER initiates hugs. He's usually on the receiving end of one.

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Yes, I did say that, and I was right. My point is that bad vibes shouldn't be discounted, and if Mikey had a bad vibe about her, he had every right to act on it. Sure, he could have handled it better like maybe pulling April aside or telling her he felt something off, but she probably wouldn't have listened to him. And he was right because it wasn't really her mom anyway, so I'm sure everyone felt bad about the whole thing knowing that Mikey was right all along.

But whatever. If you don't want to agree with me, that's fine. I'm just calling it like I see it.

For that ep, no matter what he could've said or done, they probably still would've passed his fears off as, well, nonsensical...but yeah, still turned out he was right.

[Technogeek29]

So this just goes back to my point long ago about how every cartoon version of Mike is a splint of portion of Mirage Mike taken to the extreme.

OT Mikey his go with the flow and live in the moment life mantra.

2K3 Mikey has his ego and mischievous streaked cranked up to eleven.

Nick Mikey has his cheerfulness and love for other cultures.

Not to say the other Michelangelo's don't exhibit these traits, those above are just the one's they show case more. Now all we need is one cartoon version to play more on his thoughtfulness & Sexual Deviant side since the others already play the other aspects of his personality.

P.S. To whomever said Mirage Mike didn't have a personality *deep breath* You don't like Mirage Mike (or any comic book version for that matter) and that's fine. But don't be so shallow and say he isn't a character. And plot points or not. If we were to go with that logic Parasica could've been a Raph centric episode it would change nothing. Shell acne a Don centric episode still changing nothing. And Pizza face didn't have to be just a Mikey centric episode could've been something all the Turtles were apart of. The argument "writers had to give the character something to do" can easily be said for any character and any version of said character.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by Technogeek29

So this just goes back to my point long ago about how every cartoon version of Mike is a splint of portion of Mirage Mike taken to the extreme.

OT Mikey his go with the flow and live in the moment life mantra.

2K3 Mikey has his ego and mischievous streaked cranked up to eleven.

Nick Mikey has his cheerfulness and love for other cultures.

Not to say the other Michelangelo's don't exhibit these traits, those above are just the one's they show case more. Now all we need is one cartoon version to play more on his thoughtfulness & Sexual Deviant side since the others already play the other aspects of his personality.

P.S. To whomever said Mirage Mike didn't have a personality *deep breath* You don't like Mirage Mike (or any comic book version for that matter) and that's fine. But don't be so shallow and say he isn't a character. And plot points or not. If we were to go with that logic Parasica could've been a Raph centric episode it would change nothing. Shell acne a Don centric episode still changing nothing. And Pizza face didn't have to be just a Mikey centric episode could've been something all the Turtles were apart of. The argument "writers had to give the character something to do" can easily be said for any character and any version of said character.

Mirage Mikey was closer to Sokka. He was the essential sarcastic straight man to everything around him . Raph on the other hand felt like the youngest out of the four because he had often cause the most mischievous trouble. Donnie never took any **** from Raph and told him off when he was being an ass hat. Leo was Leo without the geekiness of a teenager.

Remember when Raph carve that flintstone drawing in the Renet time travel issue?

[Technogeek29]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

Mirage Mikey was closer to Sokka. He was the essential sarcastic straight man to everything around him . Raph on the other hand felt like the youngest out of the four because he had often cause the most mischievous trouble. Donnie never took any **** from Raph and told him off when he was being an ass hat. Leo was Leo without the geekiness of a teenager.

Remember when Raph carve that flintstone drawing in the Renet time travel issue?

LMAO I actually forgot about that. Yeah Mirage Raph goofed off a lot. 80's Raphael hits the mark a lot closer than some realize.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by Technogeek29

LMAO I actually forgot about that. Yeah Mirage Raph goofed off a lot. 80's Raphael hits the mark a lot closer than some realize.

Yeah I am not huge fan of OT but I can see why people like with Raph being the main reason. I like that in this version instead of being angry all the time, He's just put 100% in everything that he does and does it with such vigor. Even though people don't like him making fun of his brothers, I think that how he has fun sometimes. He has a sense of justice but only for those that deserve it.

Ralph can be a dynamic character if you go pass the brooding teenager archetype. Make him laugh and smile every now and again. He lives because he has passion, not because he hates everything.

Donnie doesn't have be nerdy stereotype, who is a shy and social inept doormat.
He can the guy that is not afraid to speak his mind and wants to do good because he can.

Leo can a kid who wants be a hero in a epic tale but discover it's not easy to do the right thing sometimes.

Mikey can be the guy that wants to be normal sometimes instead of being the stupid gross fat kid of the group. He just wants to live but can go with the flow, until he feels the need to give a reality check every once in a while.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

Remember when Raph carved that Flintstone drawing in the Renet time travel issue?

Actually, that was Mikey. (Naturally!) I am sitting here with the issue in hand, and in the first panel on the last page, Don is asking MIKEY what he's doing as he taps on the stone with a hammer and chisel. Mikey replies that he's giving some archeologist a heart attack. And then in the last panel is shows what he carved, and he says "Tomorrow I'm doing the Jetsons!" The entire gag is a two-page bit-piece, that I found in my Classics vol. 1 TPB. Mikey is even singing the song as he's carving it in the first panel of the story, on the previous page. I got a good chuckle out of that one!

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Actually, that was Mikey. (Naturally!) I am sitting here with the issue in hand, and in the first panel on the last page, Don is asking MIKEY what he's doing as he taps on the stone with a hammer and chisel. Mikey replies that he's giving some archeologist a heart attack. And then in the last panel is shows what he carved, and he says "Tomorrow I'm doing the Jetsons!" The entire gag is a two-page bit-piece, that I found in my Classics vol. 1 TPB. Mikey is even singing the song as he's carving it in the first panel of the story, on the previous page. I got a good chuckle out of that one!

Oh you right but to re-establish my geek card. Mikey in that issue was the straight man by pointing that if problem was in the past and that they are in the present then crisis was already averted but the plot hole went over Renet's head.

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by DarkLightDragon

Or just continue to not see your side of the argument.

Mikey didn't trust her, fine by me. But attacking her without her doing anything wrong is what upsets me. Can't believe people don't see the issue here.
It also bugs me how Mikey was convinced about something being wrong, and that was before he saw her dumping mutagen. Don't you guys see how ridiculous that is?

[BubblyShell22]

Not if he saw something in her eyes that was off. He was looking at her as she was hugging April, and they focused on her eyes for a second. I think Mikey saw something that wasn't right, and he attacked her because of that. It could have been handled better on both sides with the brothers not believing Mikey and Mikey attacking her. If they would have just listened to him, maybe he wouldn't have attacked her as he did. You're only looking at it from what Mikey did, but his brothers were also at fault for not taking him seriously.

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Not if he saw something in her eyes that was off. He was looking at her as she was hugging April, and they focused on her eyes for a second. I think Mikey saw something that wasn't right, and he attacked her because of that. It could have been handled better on both sides with the brothers not believing Mikey and Mikey attacking her. If they would have just listened to him, maybe he wouldn't have attacked her as he did. You're only looking at it from what Mikey did, but his brothers were also at fault for not taking him seriously.

He didn't trust her before she did that thing with her eye (which is an awful reason to be suspicious, because all she did was open her eyes.)
Even then, he only told Raph he didn't trust her.
Then he attacked her, and told his brothers.

[BubblyShell22]

It's not awful if you get a bad vibe about something and feel that something is off. I already explained to you that we all have that intuition in us, some more than others. Yes, he only told Raph, and Raph blew him off, so he's in the wrong for not listening to his brother.

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

It's not awful if you get a bad vibe about something and feel that something is off. I already explained to you that we all have that intuition in us, some more than others. Yes, he only told Raph, and Raph blew him off, so he's in the wrong for not listening to his brother.

I never said having a bad vibe is wrong. I said Mikey attacked way too quickly, happened to be right and got praised even though he handled the situation wrong.

[BubblyShell22]

Well, it didn't sound like that when you posted, and I already agreed that he was wrong in how he handled it and his brothers (particularly Raph) were wrong in how they handled it by not listening to him.

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Well, it didn't sound like that when you posted, and I already agreed that he was wrong in how he handled it and his brothers (particularly Raph) were wrong in how they handled it by not listening to him.

http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...9&postcount=83
http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...3&postcount=84
You only semi-agreed with me just today.
When this argument started you didn't see the problem.

[BubblyShell22]

So, I can't change my mind over it as I think about it? Wow.

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

So, I can't change my mind over it as I think about it? Wow.

I never said you could. But you're blaming his brothers now instead of just the writers. It's just bad writing.