Why does NuMetal get such a bad rep?

[Netkeeper]

You gotta remember, friends, that most metalheads are a very angry, opinionated bunch. They used to get mad at me for liking DragonForce ffs. But there's nothing they hate more than rap, so when rap and metal mixed, they shunned it like the plague.

I personally like some nu metal, no problem. I also despise some of it. As stated earlier in the thread, metal is a hugely diverse genre and for me personally, I draw the line at too much screaming and too much rapping. If there's just a moderate amount of those things, I have no problem with it, but I prefer my vocalists to actually sing, and for me the vocalist makes the band. If I don't like your vocalist, your band can kiss my ass, I'm not listening to it even if you have the best guitars in the world.

[pennydreadful]

I was gonna say - IMO, nu-metal gets a bad rap because the metal community can be incredibly elitist. You get a bunch of testosterone-laden dudes on the internet who like listening to aggressive music and conversations can get pretty nasty (not to mention downright snotty). Then you basically get the metal version of the "real fans/true fans" argument that we get with TMNT over here.

As far as nu-metal goes - some of it's flat out embarrassing because once you're past the age of 16, you just can't relate to it. Some nu-metal is crap because the bands just aren't that good. Some nu-metal is ok. And some nu-metal is great (yeah, I said it). Metal has a huge amount of sub-genres (not to mention a lot of blending and influences across the bands careers); I like a wide selection of metal genres - but I've got zero interest in quibbling about semantics regarding guitar chord differences between thrash metal and deathcore, y'know? Everyone has their preferences when it comes to metal sub-genres; I personally feel that a lot of the shade which is thrown at nu-metal ties back into 1) the anti-sellout mentality and 2) some macho alpha male BS as to what's more "hardcore".

That being said, Limp Bizkit are just beyond cringeworthy.

[ObiWanFan4life]

In my opinion, Korn's sound evloved with See You On The Other Side, which was more industial/ experimental. I think the problem with Nu-Metal is that the bands' themes are very repetitive.

[plastroncafe]

If you play a NuMetal song backwards does their daddy love them again?

[Leo656]

Possibly, but he remains disappointed that they never really went out for football.

[Wingnut]

Originally Posted by Krutch

-Repetitive guitar riffs with next to no guitar solos.
-Rap and Metal do not belong together.
-Lyrics all seem to revolve around an abusive upbringing.
-Limp Bizkit

Throw Slipknot in there and you've described Ross Robinson's entire career.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

You gotta remember, friends, that most metalheads are a very angry, opinionated bunch. They used to get mad at me for liking DragonForce ffs. But there's nothing they hate more than rap, so when rap and metal mixed, they shunned it like the plague.

I personally like some nu metal, no problem. I also despise some of it. As stated earlier in the thread, metal is a hugely diverse genre and for me personally, I draw the line at too much screaming and too much rapping. If there's just a moderate amount of those things, I have no problem with it, but I prefer my vocalists to actually sing, and for me the vocalist makes the band. If I don't like your vocalist, your band can kiss my ass, I'm not listening to it even if you have the best guitars in the world.

Most? Quite an exaggeration. I've met plenty of Metal fans, and most aren't as aggressive irl as they seem behind a computer screen... so like pretty much everyone else . If you go on the internet you'll see plenty of metalheads trashing PanterA, but in real life every Metal fan I've met likes or liked PanterA at some point in his life.

[Leo656]

WHAT? Who doesn't like f*cking Pantera? Put me in a room with that guy. Christ. There's opinions and then there's entirely having zero taste. Holy sh*t. That's horrible.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by Leo656

WHAT? Who doesn't like f*cking Pantera? Put me in a room with that guy. Christ. There's opinions and then there's entirely having zero taste. Holy sh*t. That's horrible.

They get almost as much **** thrown at them as Metallica get nowadays. For some reason plenty of people seem to find them terrible musicians and look down on them for "being rednecks". And elitist metalheads consider them posers due to going from a Glam Metal band to a Thrash one when the former stopped making bucks. And also blame PanterA for Nu Metal and Hardcore variants of Metal, since bands of those genres drew a lot of inspiration from Pantera's later works. When you think about it, "This Love" could technically be considered a Nu Metal song since its structure resembles a typical song of said genre.

I think it's silly to blame PanterA for all of that, though. Might as well hate The Beatles and The Rolling Stones for their influence on pretty much every rock band ever. Cowboys From hell is one of the best Metal albums in history. Vulgar Display of Power is pretty good too but not as great. Far Beyond Driven and Reinventing of Steel are pretty mediocre, imo. The Great Southern Trendkill is good but not as good as CFH and VDoP.

[Cure]

Pantera's only good for their song that got featured on an episode of SpongeBob.

[plastroncafe]

Metallica, the best of the Metal Jam Bands.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Originally Posted by Prowler

If you want to get into Metal then start listening to Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, Metallica pre-Black Album, Slayer, testament, Megadeth, Black Sabbath, etc.

Also, Metal is an extremely diverse genre with plenty of variants just like rock. So saying you like/don't like Metal because you happen to listen to Slipknot means jack, since bands like Iron Maiden have a COMPLETELY different sound.

This. My favorite era of Metal is the NWOBHM from the late 70s and early 80s.

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

If you play a NuMetal song backwards does their daddy love them again?

Probably the best post in this thread.

[Leo656]

If society has devolved to the point where people even try and take the piss out of goddamn Pantera, it shows conclusively that society's becoming stupider by the day. Friggin' kids these days don't know Jack from Sh*t.

The only thing Pantera really has in common with "NuMetal" in my opinion, though, is that they perfected the "get stupid drunk and lift free weights in a parking lot" motif before it was the cool thing to do. I don't get much into the whole "this record over that record" stuff. If it's good, it's good, the rest is all semantics. As far as that other stuff goes, people should care more about a band's music and less about their backstory. "Does this record make you wanna eat raw meat, gargle Jack Daniels, and go pick a fight with a total stranger for absolutely no good reason?" It's a Yes or No question, and if it's Yes, then it's all good and who gives a sh*t about the rest of it? "Ooooh, but on their FIRST record..." Hey, numbnuts, this is a guy with a mullet telling you to quit living in the freakin' past!

I'unno man. I've never heard any Pantera I didn't like. Some stuff more than other stuff, sure, but... that's one of those, "Gee, if you don't like this then what DO you like?" kinda deals.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by Leo656

If society has devolved to the point where people even try and take the piss out of goddamn Pantera, it shows conclusively that society's becoming stupider by the day. Friggin' kids these days don't know Jack from Sh*t.

The only thing Pantera really has in common with "NuMetal" in my opinion, though, is that they perfected the "get stupid drunk and lift free weights in a parking lot" motif before it was the cool thing to do. I don't get much into the whole "this record over that record" stuff. If it's good, it's good, the rest is all semantics. As far as that other stuff goes, people should care more about a band's music and less about their backstory. "Does this record make you wanna eat raw meat, gargle Jack Daniels, and go pick a fight with a total stranger for absolutely no good reason?" It's a Yes or No question, and if it's Yes, then it's all good and who gives a sh*t about the rest of it? "Ooooh, but on their FIRST record..." Hey, numbnuts, this is a guy with a mullet telling you to quit living in the freakin' past!

I dunno man. I've never heard any Pantera I didn't like. Some stuff more than other stuff, sure, but... that's one of those, "Gee, if you don't like this then what DO you like?" kinda deals.

I don't really care about a band's history either. What I care about is the music they make. And outside of bigger bands such as Iron Maiden and Pantera, I really don't bother knowing the names of most band members.

As for Metallica, I don't dislike them for "selling out". I dislike their stuff from Black Album on because it sucks, simple.

[Leo656]

Hah, your opinion, pally.

[Krutch]

All this NuMetal talk got me nostalgic for a mixed CD(Yeah, I still burn mixed CDs). Here it is, celebrating the good and the bad:

[plastroncafe]

Minor threadjack, but I figure if anyone would have an answer/opinion on this it'd be you guys:

Where does a band like Tool fall in terms of genre?

[Krutch]

Well I wouldn't call them NuMetal, though theres times I can see the similarities. Probably closer to Progressive Rock/Alternative than anything IMO.

[pennydreadful]

In terms of genre, I simply file them under "awesome".