The Official Venting/Whining/Criticism Thread!

[Amaranthus]

Could you stop feeding the troll?
Did your parents drop you as a baby or something? You call him a troll (which he is), yet you keep giving him the attention he obviously wants.

[GiveMeBackMyRaphXLeo]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

I can't say as I disagree with this assessment of the show.
Though, I would prefer to distinguish between the characters being gross, and the writers making them that way.
The former isn't true, while the latter could certainly be argued.

idk what u mean but gross is gross

[Autbot_Benz]

If the mods would to their jobs and not just temp ban trolls but actually Ban them for life we wouldn't have to deal with this.

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

If the mods would to their jobs and not just temp ban trolls but actually Ban them for life we wouldn't have to deal with this.

*facepalm*

[plastroncafe]

It's kind of like...they're perfect for each other, isn't it?

[DarthRaphael]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

If the mods would to their jobs and not just temp ban trolls but actually Ban them for life we wouldn't have to deal with this.

We give people a chance to clean up by temp banning. Believe me when I say we are reviewing this situation again. As a reminder if you don't already do this, please report posts you think we need to look at.

Thank You
DR

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

It's kind of like...they're perfect for each other, isn't it?

I'm shipping these two.

[plastroncafe]

They have the best bromance.

[Amaranthus]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

They have the best bromance.

I'm going to get my name changed to GiveMeBackMyAutbotXTroll.

[Shiro Kame]

After all the hype given about the potential about a "Dark Raph" storyarc, the fact that it was over and done with in one episode is disappointing. I might change my mind when episode does air and Canada and I can see it.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Shiro Kame

After all the hype given about the potential about a "Dark Raph" storyarc, the fact that it was over and done with in one episode is disappointing. I might change my mind when episode does air and Canada and I can see it.

Make such a sweeping opinion without seeing the episode?

[Powder]

You expect better from the TMNT fandom? C'mon.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by Powder

You expect better from the TMNT fandom? C'mon.

To be honest, I can perfectly understand the person's point. If one thought it was going to be an actual arc, and then in reality it's a 'in and out/done in 5 minutes/nothing to it'...I can perfectly understand being disappointed in it even before one sees it.

It's like the 2014 film. When i saw how they were going make the Turtles look like, become Super CHUDs with super human strength and no Martial Arts, and I saw Megan Fox cast...I was already disappointed with the film before I saw it (and was proven Right).

I mean, c'mon. No one had the feeling of disappointment before they even saw that movie?

[victory_angel]

There is an MLP analyst I follow on Youtube named Canned Cream. One of his videos he talked about expectations and I feel the commented he made towards the end applies to this fandom as well.

To paraphase

Some times we do get cool stuff such as having nods, references, and even remakes of plot lines and characters from previous incarnations. But the staff at Nick are under no obligation to make this happen, it's their show after all...their vision...their ideas.

We as consumers still play a big role, but there is still a big difference between something that is being made for someone and something that is being made by someone. There will times that in some shape or form we are not going to get what *We* want. And the great lesson here is that we should not let expectations take the place of enjoyment.

Think if each season as a pot luck. Everything at the table is edible but not everything is satisfying or enjoyable. So say one episode is the equivalent of a full prime rib dinner complete with Mash potatoes, Gravy, and Cesar Salad and all the fixings.

But the next episode could be nothing but lutefisk or egg salad which may be okay to some, but turn off to many others.

And still cases where the episode are like having nothing but chips and popcorn. In other words a tasty snack, but in no ways satisfying.

Where we as fans have problems in this show is we go in expecting to something like prime rib, we are disappointed when we end up with lutefisk or egg salad sandwiches.

I am one of the people who enjoy the show for what it is because I go in expecting nothing but popcorn. And sometimes I pleasantly surprised when something greater is offered instead.

Our community is blessed to have so many view points and opinions from people who have been with the series since the beginning 30 years ago. And newer fans who are just discovering this series through the nick show, IDW comics, and the Michael Bay movie. And even the people who would come to discover TMNT in future versions beyond that.

There are so many variations and of this franchise that no matter how many ways or what style there is always something for us to enjoy. But having so many view points and opinions comes with a down side because we are we are also forced to see what is considered wrong in the episode or things that don't seem to make sense: such as continuity errors, failed leaps of logic, misconstrued actions, out of character moments, so on and so forth.

Exactly how accurate or important those arguments are is always going to change upon the person reviewing the episode and the person watching it.

For example while some people feel that Raph is not given the development he deserves as a character, I am one of the people who feel he is getting adequate attention in the series. And that opinion is only as correct as the person reading it decides that it is. But when you do hear opinions from so many people and so many flaws in the same episode, it can effect your enjoyment.

So I have to ask, are we as a collective fanbase are expecting too much from this show and expecting too much in return. It is true that TMNT has given us given us some incredible moments over the past thirty years, both in story and character growth, and it is presented. And this is something that will continue for the next thirty or so years.

But we as the older fans have to remember that while the show does acknowledge we exist it's market is for children. As such it is reinventing the characters for them...not for us. And these changes are not going to appeal to everyone and we need to accept that this is it's own incarnation and nothing is offer is going to make everyone happy.

If they make the show exactly like a previous incarnation they won't have room to make their own creative spin or even have a chance to create things that are new.

But if they don't make nods, references, or adapt material from the other incarnations the series is not going to have anything to stand on.

So instead of taking an episode seriously and be ready to complain about where it failed....take the first showing as a chance to actually enjoy the episode with an open mind. And then going back over it with a fine toothed comb.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

No, I see it as 'Wanting Better'.

If you don't 'Want Better', then what's the Point? Why settle? And maybe in your eyes it's not 'Settling'. To me though, It Is Settling. It's like, I want a Better Turtles Movie...not that stupid 'Megan Fox/Super CHUDs/Super Heroes with Super Strength/Lack of Martial Arts' Crap. I don't want to have to 'Settle' for this new stuff.

Why not want More, Want Better, Want Stronger?

Stronger stories, stronger continuity, stronger characters, stronger writing, Actual Arcs, give ALL FOUR on-going stories...make the show better.

Season 3 is Easily the Weakest Season So Far...shouldn't shows get better? Not Worse?

I'm sorry, when you say 'Expect Too Much' then that's when the folks behind it should go Even Farther. Exceed Expectations.

Don't Turn it up to 10. Turn it Up to 11.

[Groverman62]

I liked Season 2 the best. Its has the most rewatchability and all the episodes were fun to me

[Luckyday]

While it's important to be critical, because acknowledging the mistakes can allow the show to grow, it's equally as important to acknowledge the things that was done right.

With excluding the Northampton arc, this season has better sense of continuity and direction of all episodes as a whole. Serum mind plot line is handle better then I thought, because instead of having a complete separate stand alone episodes with just Donnie working on it in the background just like he did with the retro mutagen in season 2, the mind control serum link is into each episode. Plot amnesia was one of the biggest problems that I have with this show, and thankfully, it's a weakness that is slowly going away.

But this is just my opinion, and having a contrasting opinion can be valuable if you have something new to say just like people who didn't like the Muckman episode have strong points to back up their criticism.

Maybe what this fandom needs to be able accept criticism even if it's something that they like or hold dearly just like how I loved the Muckman episode but acknowledge the flaws base on other people's critics.

I don't know what to say honestly about having expectations but not having any expectations is same as not taking the show seriously, which is impossible if you trying to dissect it and give it a critical analysis as a long time fan.

[senpai]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

To be honest, I can perfectly understand the person's point. If one thought it was going to be an actual arc, and then in reality it's a 'in and out/done in 5 minutes/nothing to it'...I can perfectly understand being disappointed in it even before one sees it.

It's like the 2014 film. When i saw how they were going make the Turtles look like, become Super CHUDs with super human strength and no Martial Arts, and I saw Megan Fox cast...I was already disappointed with the film before I saw it (and was proven Right).

I mean, c'mon. No one had the feeling of disappointment before they even saw that movie?

I think the best thing about Clash of the Mutanimals were the fight scenes. That alone is worth watching it. Leo was gettin it with that spear!

Seriously though, 2014 tmnt was god awful but 2012 tmnt is still very good. It's a shame to write it off because of that episode. I know you have qualms about other aspects too but you can't compare it to 2014--that just ain't right.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

But this is just my opinion, and having a contrasting opinion can be valuable if you have something new to say just like people who didn't like the Muckman episode have strong points to back up their criticism.

Maybe what this fandom needs to be able accept criticism even if it's something that they like or hold dearly just like how I loved the Muckman episode but acknowledge the flaws base on other people's critics.

I don't know what to say honestly about having expectations but not having any expectations is same as not taking the show seriously, which is impossible if you trying to dissect it and give it a critical analysis as a long time fan.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be critical. But what I am suggesting is that instead of going into an episode for the first time we should put down the checklist and just enjoy the episode as it is.

And then pick up the checklist again when you give it a rewatch. If we go in looking for what the episode does wrong, that is all we are going to see which will hinder you from enjoying all the episode does right.

And if you go in expecting to find only what the episode does right, it's not going to look right because we will also be confronted with the glaring flaws.

[plastroncafe]

That would require me to watch something I didn't enjoy more than once, and I don't know that I'm really up for that level of commitment.