"Secret Wars" Event To Merge Mainstream And Ultimate Marvel Universes Together

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Did you miss my use of the word " hyperbole"? Because I used it for a reason. "Metaphorically" or not threatening violence against another person because you don't like the comic book they wrote, is juvenile. You should be better than that. Rise to the challenge.

I remember people on this board getting really unhappy when someone jokingly threatened to "bathe the in the unworthy blood" of a creator they didn't like, which is far less likely to happen than someone from Texas just up and shooting another person.

And I mentioned my age because you seem insistent on the idea that the comic industry should be catering to dinosaurs like us, and that these new changes would drive us away. They're not driving me away, and if they're driving you away by trying to keep themselves dynamic and tell interesting stories? Good riddance.

Oh that's real cute- comparing me to a couple of psycho shooters who HAPPEN to be in my state, just because I make ONE comment about a writer's ability. Real classy- do yourself a favor, and take your own advice about being better than that.

As for age and catering to "dinosaurs"- last I checked, we're in the age demographic most likely to have the money to buy comics, not kids who's cash flow is dependent on an allowance that they may or may not get, or on parents being willing to shell out the nearly five bucks an issue for them to read comics in the first place. Or they could read them online, I suppose, but how many kids actually spend their online time by reading comics? Probably not many. Your point is moot.

Now, here are my thoughts on change and comics- I have been a fan of Marvel (officially) since 2001, and even before that, with the 90's cartoons and the occasional comic in high school, even back to the issues that my mom handed down to me as a kid. I like changes. For me, the BEST thing that ever happened to Spider-Man was the new spin on his origin that JMS created, and all the attendant problems and consequences that came with it. Ezekiel and the "Other" was an amazing plot-arc, that took more than a year to culminate, and also brought in some really awesome new villains and complications. Even Aunt May learning his secret was a change that I really loved, without being the "earth-shaking event" that they seem to do all too often now. So was his unmasking, for that matter. (And I really wish they hadn't ret-conned that- there was so much more they could do with it.) Oh yes, and he "died" at least twice in the midst of all that, which while not as shocking as it could have been, was still interesting while it lasted.

I also like other versions of his story, such as the one in 1602, Noir, and Marvel Fairy Tales. These were all different, interesting, and NEW at the time they were published. I also love the MU2, 2099, Marvel Zombies, and particularly Exiles, with all the alternate versions of various characters in that book. Change can be good. WHEN it's done for good reasons and in the interest of storytelling. This- isn't it. Neither is Miles, IMHO. Those are changes done purely for the sake of change itself, and it shows. Badly.

What's driving ME away isn't change- I had plenty of that with Bendis, JMS, Peter David, and Slott, though not all of those were good. What drives ME away is cheap gimmicks, shoddy characterization, and change for change's sake. Which is where they've been going for about the past 5-6 years. And it's depressing, because instead of telling GOOD stories that involve change, they just want to cater to a younger crowd and try to be "cool" to kids who barely even care about the characters they're writing about.

Ours is, sadly enough, the last generation that really had comics as a major form of entertainment, and thus, we are the ones who actually care about what they write for those characters. Younger generations will NOT care about the fifty+ years of history in the MU, nor who is wearing what costume, or what happens to a particular "version" of a character in which universe. If you think the kids of the current generation are going to have any concern over who Ms. Marvel or Spider-Man or anyone else is outside of the movies, then you're mistaken. They're more likely to care about the next Call of Duty release, the next Transformers movie, or the next Twitter feed from Beyoncé or whomever. That's the sad truth about comics today, and it's why I've mostly given up on them.

Side-note: Next time, instead of taking a condescending tone and saying "good riddance", try looking at things from a different point of view. Not everyone LIKES the current changes, and it's not because "grognard dinosaur resistant to change". It's because we CARE about QUALITY.

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

The comic industry still caters to dinosaurs. The ones in charge.

Indeed. Can't wait for some of those dinosaurs to go extinct, or at least migrate to somewhere far from the comics world. They're not doing anyone any favors.