Rocksteady & bebop confirmed for tmnt 2!

[bushido]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Those are awesome! Where'd you ever dig those up?

It's from Model & Toy Collector Special #03 TMNT.

Spoiler:

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

Why would anyone hate their own creation?

its not uncommon....alot of creators grow to hate their own creations over time for a number of reasons

if you ever get a chance watch the rockos modern life episode where youi see the creator of the fatheads..its pretty accurate

[Huzzah]

Peyo hates The Smurfs, Sir Alec Guiness hated Obi Wan, A A Milne hated Winnie the Pooh, so it's not unheard of creators hating creations.

[D Piddy 1982]

I said it in a previous thread, and imma say it again (cut & paste):

"I for one would not be at all surprised if B&R turn out to have as much impact & screen time as Rhino in Spidey 2.

Strongly suspicious we're being fed BS about B&R appearing as "main" characters...I think they'll have 20 seconds or so before the closing credits..."

They're just building up hype to lure the fans in.

Hope I'm wrong, but that's my gut feeling...

[Powder]

Not even the turtles get enough screentime in what's supposed to be their own damn film, & given all these other characters/stars they keep forcing in, there's a good chance you're right.

[neatoman]

Are we talking about Peter Laird hating on Bebop and Rocksteady? Yeah he totally does, just go read any statement he has on them.

Although it's pretty easy to why if we're being honest.

[slashpieturtlemix]

I am excited for it but I will not get my hopes up about them looking toon accurate.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

I have a feeling it's going to be; idiotic henchmen for most of the movie, mutation, one big battle scene against the turtles, die! Keeping them human for a long time keeps the budget down!

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

I have a feeling it's going to be; idiotic henchmen for most of the movie, mutation, one big battle scene against the turtles, die! Keeping them human for a long time keeps the budget down!

That sounds quite likely, more likely than the "Rhino ASM2" theory. And honestly, this would be a lot easier to swallow.

[bushido]

For curious people :

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by bushido

For curious people :
http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/79...erssketch2.jpg

I was already aware that information, but where did you get that page? I would love to read the rest whatever publication it's from.

[bushido]

Originally Posted by neatoman

I was already aware that information, but where did you get that page? I would love to read the rest whatever publication it's from.

It's from Model & Toy Collector Special #03 TMNT. I don't know if I can post a download link here.

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

I have a feeling it's going to be; idiotic henchmen for most of the movie, mutation, one big battle scene against the turtles, die! Keeping them human for a long time keeps the budget down!

im guessing the same thing.

the scenes they are currently filming in Buffalo feature a large semi, with a massive cargo...and rolls past what looks like ooze ignited on fire on the road? Perhaps the cargo are the animals, and the mutation is triggered by this event?

its all speculation on my part.

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Originally Posted by neatoman

Are we talking about Peter Laird hating on Bebop and Rocksteady? Yeah he totally does, just go read any statement he has on them.

Although it's pretty easy to why if we're being honest.

what i dont understand is...didnt he approve all this? before it aired? does he acknowledged the fact that he played a very big part in this iteration (OT), and is he just regretful?

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

what i dont understand is...didnt he approve all this? before it aired? does he acknowledged the fact that he played a very big part in this iteration (OT), and is he just regretful?

From what I understand, Peter Laird feels that Fred Wolf and crew shut him and Kevin Eastman out of the process as early as they could. Eastman and Laird did have some creative input in season 1, but Fred Wolf did not want their involvement from the second season onwards and thus decided "shut them out", presumably because they disapproved of several key elements from season 1.

An example Laird himself likes to point out is that by the end of episode 5, the Technodrome would be hijacked by the Turtles and it would replace the sewer lair... No really, it's presumably why the toy seems to have been designed for the Turtles rather than Shredder or Krang.

He has mentioned that he could have demanded the show to be altered to his liking, but it would take too much time and energy so it simply wasn't a fight worth fighting.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by neatoman

From what I understand, Peter Laird feels that Fred Wolf and crew shut him and Kevin Eastman out of the process as early as they could. Eastman and Laird did have some creative input in season 1, but Fred Wolf did not want their involvement from the second season onwards and thus decided "shut them out", presumably because they disapproved of several key elements from season 1.

An example Laird himself likes to point out is that by the end of episode 5, the Technodrome would be hijacked by the Turtles and it would replace the sewer lair... No really, it's presumably why the toy seems to have been designed for the Turtles rather than Shredder or Krang.

He has mentioned that he could have demanded the show to be altered to his liking, but it would take too much time and energy so it simply wasn't a fight worth fighting.

Confused.

So Laird WANTED the TMNT to hijack the Technodrome, or Fred Wolf wanted that and Laird put his foot down?

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Confused.

So Laird WANTED the TMNT to hijack the Technodrome, or Fred Wolf wanted that and Laird put his foot down?

Fred Wolf wanted that (or possibly David Wise), Laird put his foot down. Laird has the described the hijacking as "particularly stupid".

This one of several things vetoed by Laird and Eastman in season 1. Presumably, because they interfered so much in season 1, Fred Wolf appearently decided to leave them out of the creative process as much as they could. This is probably why it turned into the slapstick sitcom show Laird hates.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

you know it kinda makes sense..if you look at the toys the technodrome and sewer playset do connect

[graphic_content]

so, was the technodrome (TOY) built even before the 'hijacking' took place? as in they planned it from the start?

even still, Laird, got his money, and I saw the footage, they celebrated. certainly no remorse then. part of me feels that its their (Eastman and Laird) own fault for not realizing that accepting money from a much bigger corporation really meant losing creative control. ya gotta pick one, and only one, rarely can you have both. which sucks.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Fred Wolf wanted that (or possibly David Wise), Laird put his foot down. Laird has the described the hijacking as "particularly stupid".

This one of several things vetoed by Laird and Eastman in season 1. Presumably, because they interfered so much in season 1, Fred Wolf appearently decided to leave them out of the creative process as much as they could. This is probably why it turned into the slapstick sitcom show Laird hates.

Fascinating! What other changes did Laird have made from Wise and Wolf's original intent?

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Fascinating! What other changes did Laird have made from Wise and Wolf's original intent?

Sadly, he claims not to remember a lot of it, the Technodrome thing he remembers because it was amongst the ones he had the most distaste for. I know of something he intended to change though, he didn't like the design Krang's body had, so he pitched two replacerment designs. It didn't go through obviously, the "Potato-wrestler" stuck anyway... Still, pretty awesome Kirby inspired designs though!

Spoiler:

You search his blog, the "Ask PL" segments in particular might contain some additional information.

http://peterlairdstmntblog.blogspot.se/

Here are some quotes from the man himself:

Originally Posted by Peter Laird

The drawings in the link you sent were rough designs drawn by me in 1987, quite possibly while the final look of "Krang" in his robot body was being discussed, or perhaps they were done to try to convince Playmates and MWS to change the silly look they'd gone with. I don't really remember. It's interesting to see the handwritten note about the "exhaust vents" on Krang's robot body's shoulders as something the Turtles could crawl into -- obviously a reference to the fact that in the animated series, Krang's robot body was supposed to be able to grow to a huge size -- the only way any of the Turtles could have fit through those vents.

Originally Posted by Peter Laird

I don't have too much to say about them, though I think I was the one who first did designs for a mutant warthog and mutant rhino in the TMNT universe, though I am not absolutely sure if my drawings came first, before the appearance of these characters in the scripts for those first few episodes of the animated series. I'm pretty sure my drawings came first. There is a video clip in the TMNT documentary, footage taken at our first meeting at Playmates Toys, which supports this.



Originally Posted by Peter Laird

It is true that I didn't want them in any of the movies, which is why instead of Bebop and Rocksteady in the second movie (The Secret of the Ooze") there were Tokka and Rhazar. If memory serves, Kevin was equally opposed to the inclusion of Bebop and Rocksteady in the movies.

It's not so much that I disliked the characters so intensely, but more that I found their constant one-note shtick in the first animated series to be extremely annoying and silly to the point of being stupid. That was, unfortunately, a consistent aspect of that whole series -- mind-numbingly dopey repetition.

Originally Posted by Peter Laird

I don't have many clear memories about getting those first batch of scripts, but I think we may not have seen any of them until our first visit to the offices of Murakami/Wolf in California. One thing I DO remember quite clearly is shooting down what Kevin and I both considered to be a ridiculous idea that Wolf (or someone writing for him) put forward -- that at the end of the first few episodes, the Turtles would take over the Technodrome and turn it into their lair.

Originally Posted by Peter Laird

It's a sore spot for me that even though we technically had script approval, in reality we ended up getting shut out of the process early on. I suppose if we had really raised a fuss and demanded our full rights, things might have been different. But during those years we were pretty naive about the business, and in truth we had so much other stuff going on that we couldn't -- or didn't want to -- waste a lot of energy fighting what seemed to be a losing battle.

But you're right about the 4Kids experience -- it was the exact opposite, for two main reasons: I was not the "babe in the woods" that I was during the FW years, and 4Kids was not FW. I had a great time working with them, mostly with Lloyd Goldfine, who was a pleasure to work with. -- PL

Originally Posted by graphic_content

so, was the technodrome (TOY) built even before the 'hijacking' took place? as in they planned it from the start?

even still, Laird, got his money, and I saw the footage, they celebrated. certainly no remorse then. part of me feels that its their (Eastman and Laird) own fault for not realizing that accepting money from a much bigger corporation really meant losing creative control. ya gotta pick one, and only one, rarely can you have both. which sucks.

The toy was probably designed before the show, I believe the reason it took a while to get to shelves is because it was pretty expensive.

I know David Wise claims he came up with the Technodrome, but David Wise is a pathological liar.