What version did worse?

[jenna]

Biggest TMNT abomination ever = Fast Forward. *shudder*

It just had no essence of the turtles left. At least FW, Next Mutation and PD had *some* essence of the turtles, albeit in small doses. Fast Forward was just.... Nothingness. Maybe the disappointment of it was amplified by the fact it followed the legendary first 4 seasons of 4Kids, which was so good, but.... No. Sorry. Can't do it. I can't make any excuses for it. It was just the most terrible heap of tripe. No redeeming features whatsoever.

I'd take PD over FF any day and as for FW and TNM, I like to watch them when I'm drunk.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by jenna

Biggest TMNT abomination ever = Fast Forward. *shudder*

It just had no essence of the turtles left. At least FW, Next Mutation and PD had *some* essence of the turtles, albeit in small doses. Fast Forward was just.... Nothingness. Maybe the disappointment of it was amplified by the fact it followed the legendary first 4 seasons of 4Kids, which was so good, but.... No. Sorry. Can't do it. I can't make any excuses for it. It was just the most terrible heap of tripe. No redeeming features whatsoever.

I'd take PD over FF any day and as for FW and TNM, I like to watch them when I'm drunk.

Really? NM AND PD? I respectfully disagree.

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

I personally feel 2k12 is worse than 87. I'd much rather watch 87 if given the choice.

Why do you prefer 87 over 2012?

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by 1987

total bs. were you one of the writers behind "turtles forever"?

im tired of people being ignorant and judging the fred wolf series based on their ridiculous representation in "turtles forever" which was a mockery done by 4kids. ok so bebop&rocksteady were portrayed as incompetent and idiotic yea i get that, it was part of their gimmick. but "turtles forever" portrayed everyone in the series that way.

the nick series is the stupid one. c'mon, its a nicktoon! mikey and donny are really stupid in the nick series, mikey looks like an infant and is obnoxious and makes fart jokes and his voice is annoying and hes a midget compare to the other turtles. and donny, the gap in his teeth makes him look soooooo stupid! raph and leo are ateast somewhat decent. though its hard to take leo seriously knowing he's the "pie guy". so this version did worse.

if the fred wolf series lost it's serious tone after season 1 it can be blamed on europe's banning of the word "ninja" and nunchucks, which ruined it for the rest of us too.

either way the fred wolf series is the BEST tmnt cartoon period. the most memorable. the logo is still iconic to this day. the ot is even more successful than the mirage comics. mirage fans who bash the fred wolf series are just mad that it gets more attention nick and 4kids will be forgotten, but the fred wolf series will always be remembered.

Stop being a fred wolf Buttkisser. 4 Kids and Nick Turtles are better than the goofy fred wolf show in everything. Again this is a thread based on Opinion. My Opinion is Fred Wolf did it worse. Now go get some Preperation H for that butthurt your feeling. Your crappy fred wolf cartoon was only created to help Playmates sell toys.

[jenna]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

Really? NM AND PD? I respectfully disagree.

Don't get me wrong, neither are top of my list. They have their own brands of dreadful also, but... there are elements to both that I enjoy, whereas... Fast Forward - watching that was physically painful.

[Metalwolf]

Turtles Forever actually did the worst. No other iteration besides this has actively gone out, flop or not, and made mean fun of another version.

I'm not talking about a sly jab once in a while or a tongue-in-cheek parody, but showing the Fred Wolf Turtles acting unnaturally cowardly, goofy, or whatever, while having the 2k3 Turtles be the 'adults' that have to wrangle those silly kids. Fred Wolf Turtles may have acted goofy, but they were never that goofy.



And the worst of it all? This movie is only really liked by so many because it contains the Fred Wolf Turtles. It's the worst irony, the one movie that shows them in the least nicest light, being 'forgiven' for this major flaw because Fred Wolf fans are desperate for anything containing the Fred Wolf Turtles.

That's the other reason why I hate this movie so, other then it's crappy meta thematics and the introduction of a TMNT *sighs* multiverse.

[Powder]

It's a freaking parody for Pai Doth Noor's sake. People like it because it's enjoyable & pokes fun at the past, not because of some desperation. & I'm fairly sure the idea of a multiverse was played with before this film came out, given there were various alternate takes on the TMNT in Mirage lore.

[Leo656]

Yeah those are non-complaints, truthfully. That movie was clever.

[Bry]

So we're doing this dance again?

Yeah, the FW Turtles and their world were portrayed as silly and goofy. Yeah, it was a bit of an exaggeration... but only a bit of one. Seriously, go back and check out the weaker seasons of that show, which actually make up most of the series. It's not far off.

That said, they made a point to show the FW Turtles' goofiness totally saving the day more than once. '87 Donnie's silly inventions completely bailed them out multiple times, despite 4Kids Donnie, in his comparative self-seriousness, not understanding them or accepting their value. Bebop and Rocksteady's bumbling killed the Utrom Shredder when everything else failed. They had some fun playing the silly '87 show off of the comparatively serious 2003 show, but the message seemed pretty damn clear to me - they both have their place and they both do what they do well, and you can embrace them both and be happier for it.

IMO, the only real "problem" with Turtles Forever is that some defensive Fred Wolf fans can't see the forest for the trees.

[Leo656]

"EX-ZACK-LY!

[Commenter 42]

"Why is he narrating, is he crazy?"

Best line, ever.

How could you not love this movie for the Mirage scene alone?

C'mon guy!

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

"Why is he narrating, is he crazy?"

Best line, ever.

How could you not love this movie for the Mirage scene alone?

C'mon guy!

So good.

Like, really. If someone's not getting caught up on one specific perceived slight, they should realize that each included version is getting some good-natured fun poked at it. It's a parody and a love letter rolled into one, and it trusts the audience gets the point.

[Commenter 42]

It was a fitting goodbye from Laird and the team, similar to the end of Seinfeld, or Bill Waterson's last strip.

Nick takes a similar approach, which is to say, respectful.

Most of FW was pretty cringeworthy, watching it as and adult can be almost painful. I really only care for the six episode arc in season 1. Everything else was pretty meh, especially with the drop in animation quality, though Krang and Shredder have some great back and forths.

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by jenna

Biggest TMNT abomination ever = Fast Forward. *shudder*

It just had no essence of the turtles left. At least FW, Next Mutation and PD had *some* essence of the turtles, albeit in small doses. Fast Forward was just.... Nothingness. Maybe the disappointment of it was amplified by the fact it followed the legendary first 4 seasons of 4Kids, which was so good, but.... No. Sorry. Can't do it. I can't make any excuses for it. It was just the most terrible heap of tripe. No redeeming features whatsoever.

I'd take PD over FF any day and as for FW and TNM, I like to watch them when I'm drunk.

Agree. Fast Forward was just so awful, I don't intend to watch a single episode from that season, ever. So dull and void of tmnt element.

Originally Posted by Metalwolf

Turtles Forever actually did the worst. No other iteration besides this has actively gone out, flop or not, and made mean fun of another version.

I'm not talking about a sly jab once in a while or a tongue-in-cheek parody, but showing the Fred Wolf Turtles acting unnaturally cowardly, goofy, or whatever, while having the 2k3 Turtles be the 'adults' that have to wrangle those silly kids. Fred Wolf Turtles may have acted goofy, but they were never that goofy.



And the worst of it all? This movie is only really liked by so many because it contains the Fred Wolf Turtles. It's the worst irony, the one movie that shows them in the least nicest light, being 'forgiven' for this major flaw because Fred Wolf fans are desperate for anything containing the Fred Wolf Turtles.

That's the other reason why I hate this movie so, other then it's crappy meta thematics and the introduction of a TMNT *sighs* multiverse.

Agree as well. Such disrespectful treatment. I'm glad that's the end of 2k3 series. Good riddance bad garbage.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

PD is the bad garbage, my friend. It hadn't a clue what it wanted to be.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

PD is the bad garbage, my friend. It hadn't a clue what it wanted to be.

You know, it's funny. I enjoyed the 2014 movie, but I have absolutely no desire to watch it again.

2k3, on the other hand I could re watch any time.

[Yabuturtle]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

But by your own admission: They were goofy.

Not really. They did silly things in the 80s cartoon but they themselves weren't silly. They didn't constantly laugh and joke around when they were in actual danger. Turtles Forever not only depicted them even goofier, but flat out idiots. i.e. wanting to have lunch instead of conversing with their 03 counter parts and walking out in broad daylight with no disguise to get pizza, which they stole, because well, the cook ran away due to fear of seeing the turtles and you see the turtles eating pizza.

None of them had consistent personalities, as they all acted idiotic. Like bringing pizzas and sunscreen when going to fight the Technodrome which they wouldn't do. I remember people saying that they didn't act like the 1980s Turtles at all but instead acted more like the TMNT 3 Version of turtles which is far more accurate. I've seen the 80s cartoon, and they actually had consistent personalities, took things seriously and so forth. So no they weren't "goofy" in the 87 cartoon. Turtles Forever depicted them rather out of character, but yet the other counterparts remained in character so I don't know why. Even villains like Shredder and Krang were taken out easily and just sort of hang in the background. Granted there were times where Shredder and Krang were taken out easily in the 87 cartoon, but a lot of the time, they were shown to be dangerous and competent fighters, and even took down the Turtles in combat before.

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

PD is the bad garbage, my friend. It hadn't a clue what it wanted to be.

It wanted to be a box office smash hit, and it did.

[pferreira]

Originally Posted by Yabuturtle

None of them had consistent personalities, as they all acted idiotic. Like bringing pizzas and sunscreen when going to fight the Technodrome which they wouldn't do. I remember people saying that they didn't act like the 1980s Turtles at all but instead acted more like the TMNT 3 Version of turtles which is far more accurate. I've seen the 80s cartoon, and they actually had consistent personalities, took things seriously and so forth. So no they weren't "goofy" in the 87 cartoon. Turtles Forever depicted them rather out of character, but yet the other counterparts remained in character so I don't know why. Even villains like Shredder and Krang were taken out easily and just sort of hang in the background. Granted there were times where Shredder and Krang were taken out easily in the 87 cartoon, but a lot of the time, they were shown to be dangerous and competent fighters, and even took down the Turtles in combat before.

I totally agree. I think in regards to the characterisation of the FW Turtles compared to the 4Kids Turtles it had to do with the production crew being involved with the latter series. Thy could write the 4Kids Turtles easily because they just came off the back of seven seasons of that show whereas FW Turtles are all from memory and their memory of the FW Turtles was probably that it was just a goofy show. They would have gone to Peter Laird for input on them and as he doesn't really like the Fred Wold cartoon that much...well you can see what they did there.

[Metalwolf]

So for those of us that didn't like the TF movie, would you still consider it 'canon?'

[CowabungaMikey]

Originally Posted by Metalwolf

So for those of us that didn't like the TF movie, would you still consider it 'canon?'

I personally don't really like TF because how they handeled the 87 Turtles, but I still consider it canon, yes.