What version did worse?

[Wesley]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

And for those who are saying that Turtles Forever was a slap in the face, that's not true at all. Yeah, the FW Turtles were goofier, but it was a parody, so that's what it was about. I only hated when they were crying, and now that I remember that they DID cry in the FW toon (in "Splinter No More" Mikey starts crying as does Splinter at the thought of being human and leaving his sons), it doesn't really bother me that much.

I agree. I only hated it when the FW Turtles were giving noogies and laughing too much, but other than that, their behaviour was mostly like how they would have acted in the 1987 series. At least in the goofier mid seasons like three and four and it was at that time that the OT was at the height of its popularity. Also, I thought OT Shredder and Krang were protrayed well. The OT characters were still a bit competent at times in Turtles Forever anyway like when OT Shredder and Krang joined forces with both sets of Turtles against Ch'rell towards the end.

[Yabuturtle]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Interesting thread here. Which version did worse? Well, if you want to go the cartoon route, I'd say Next Mutation and Fast Forward and Back to the Sewers from the 2K3 show as I pretty much pretend those seasons didn't exist and that it ended with the Lost Season. If we're talking movies, definitely the 2014 movie because it was just a f*cked up mess.

And for those who are saying that Turtles Forever was a slap in the face, that's not true at all. Yeah, the FW Turtles were goofier, but it was a parody, so that's what it was about. I only hated when they were crying, and now that I remember that they DID cry in the FW toon (in "Splinter No More" Mikey starts crying as does Splinter at the thought of being human and leaving his sons), it doesn't really bother me that much.

I don't really understand. When was Turtles Forever supposed to be a "parody" anyway? I agree the 87 turtles act more like a parody hence why they are very out of character. I mean, nobody wonders why the 03 Turtles aren't out of character, yet the 87 Turtles are? It's not the fact that they cried that was a problem, it was that they did so after being nearly crushed and started crying like babies and hugging 03 Raph which I think was really strange and out of character. I can understand if they cry when someone is leaving, but after escaping destruction and crying and hugging Raph? It sounds really weird.

That and the 87 Turtles constantly giving noogies to 03 Mikey. I don't recall the 87 Turtles ever giving each other noogies but they act like that was something they did a lot in the cartoon, which they didn't. Their personalities weren't as distinguished, they all acted like the same moronic coward. They seem more oblivious, not even caring that they are talking to alternate dimension counter parts of themselves and instead go out to lunch to eat pizza, in the middle of the day, with no disguise and end up stealing the pizza, since the chef ran away seeing the Turtles, and we see the Turtles end up eating lots of pizza. Nobody at all finds this strange? Or even when thinking about a plan to stop Shredder, they still think nothing except for pizza. I know they love pizza, but not to the point where it makes them oblivious to the danger they are going to face. Not to mention they don't fight as much as their counter parts and usually end up getting beat up.

They are overall more immature, treating everything like a joke. 03 Turtles even go out of their way to say the 87 Shredder is a joke. Admitting, yes, he is less dangerous and less competent than the 03 Shredder, but 87 Shredder DID have his competent moments, did act dangerous, caused mass destruction and even defeated the Turtles in direct combat more than once. The 87 characters didn't seem to do much, even Krang and Shredder, who just usually sat in the bleachers occasionally fought, occasionally did something useful and occasionally moved the plot around.

[Wesley]

Originally Posted by Yabuturtle

I don't really understand. When was Turtles Forever supposed to be a "parody" anyway? I agree the 87 turtles act more like a parody hence why they are very out of character. I mean, nobody wonders why the 03 Turtles aren't out of character, yet the 87 Turtles are? It's not the fact that they cried that was a problem, it was that they did so after being nearly crushed and started crying like babies and hugging 03 Raph which I think was really strange and out of character. I can understand if they cry when someone is leaving, but after escaping destruction and crying and hugging Raph? It sounds really weird.

That and the 87 Turtles constantly giving noogies to 03 Mikey. I don't recall the 87 Turtles ever giving each other noogies but they act like that was something they did a lot in the cartoon, which they didn't. Their personalities weren't as distinguished, they all acted like the same moronic coward. They seem more oblivious, not even caring that they are talking to alternate dimension counter parts of themselves and instead go out to lunch to eat pizza, in the middle of the day, with no disguise and end up stealing the pizza, since the chef ran away seeing the Turtles, and we see the Turtles end up eating lots of pizza. Nobody at all finds this strange? Or even when thinking about a plan to stop Shredder, they still think nothing except for pizza. I know they love pizza, but not to the point where it makes them oblivious to the danger they are going to face. Not to mention they don't fight as much as their counter parts and usually end up getting beat up.

They are overall more immature, treating everything like a joke. 03 Turtles even go out of their way to say the 87 Shredder is a joke. Admitting, yes, he is less dangerous and less competent than the 03 Shredder, but 87 Shredder DID have his competent moments, did act dangerous, caused mass destruction and even defeated the Turtles in direct combat more than once. The 87 characters didn't seem to do much, even Krang and Shredder, who just usually sat in the bleachers occasionally fought, occasionally did something useful and occasionally moved the plot around.

I agree with most of what you've said. However, the 87 Turtles did get taken out easily a lot in their own series (the episode "Shreeka's Revenge", for example). The 03 Turtles saying that OT Shredder was a joke was wrong alright. I thought the 87 characters did have a few competent moments, though, like when they fought Ch'rell towards the end. Also, I liked it OT Shredder's line when he asked Ch'rell why he didn't destroy the turtles when he had a chance. I agree that the O3 Turtles were out of character, as they were protrayed as too serious, considering that that they were funny at times in their own series, particularly in the last two seasons.

[jenna]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Interesting thread here. Which version did worse? Well, if you want to go the cartoon route, I'd say Next Mutation and Fast Forward and Back to the Sewers from the 2K3 show as I pretty much pretend those seasons didn't exist and that it ended with the Lost Season. If we're talking movies, definitely the 2014 movie because it was just a f*cked up mess.

And for those who are saying that Turtles Forever was a slap in the face, that's not true at all. Yeah, the FW Turtles were goofier, but it was a parody, so that's what it was about. I only hated when they were crying, and now that I remember that they DID cry in the FW toon (in "Splinter No More" Mikey starts crying as does Splinter at the thought of being human and leaving his sons), it doesn't really bother me that much.

I agree here. My personal take on Turtles Forever is that it is a parody and was made for the fans. It's not just poking fun at Fred Wolf turtles, but at the whole franchise, including itself. Casual fans wouldn't get it at all, so it was never going to be a smash commercially. I love Turtles Forever. It's funny, clever and feels like a massive in-joke.

[Wesley]

Originally Posted by jenna

I agree here. My personal take on Turtles Forever is that it is a parody and was made for the fans. It's not just poking fun at Fred Wolf turtles, but at the whole franchise, including itself. Casual fans wouldn't get it at all, so it was never going to be a smash commercially. I love Turtles Forever. It's funny, clever and feels like a massive in-joke.

I mostly agree. I don't love Turtles Foever, but I think it's a fun movie to watch and gets better on subsequent rewatches, though there a few moments in the movie that I don't like.

[Werecat]

Originally Posted by Bry

The beautiful, beautiful irony is that a lot of Fred Wolf fans are taking the show and its characters so seriously when its creators never did.

For the vast majority of its run, aside from the earliest and latest couple seasons (which were incidentally also the show's shortest) it wasn't intended to have much in the way of story arcs, continuity or even internal consistency. Characters would disappear with no explanation and certain plot points and status quos would change with no rhyme or reason. Designs/art styles would look noticeably different from one episode to the next. The layout of the lair would completely morph when the script called for it, and characters' behaviours would vary from episode to episode. Everything was malleable around the episode's plot and jokes, and the show even acknowledged this from time to time.

I think you described every TMNT variation ever. Inconsistencies, anti-climatic plots, incoherent plots, plot holes are in every TMNT variation. Nonetheless, TMNT is still enjoyable but it is silly to remain content with
mediocrity. TMNT deserves writers/directors that will create compelling characters and storylines.

Nick TMNT is awesome but it is far from perfect. 2k3 and next mutation is the worst incarnations ever because of the Mary Sue Leonardo and Venus overwhelming the show. Now Nick TMNT is going downhill because of the upcoming Mary Sue Leo. It is such a coincidence that the writers from the 2k3 series are credited for the work for the Leo only episodes in the Nick version. I hope the writers for Nick learn from their mistakes and make an even awesomer season 4.

[Ninturtle]

Originally Posted by Werecat

I think you described every TMNT variation ever. Inconsistencies, anti-climatic plots, incoherent plots, plot holes are in every TMNT variation. Nonetheless, TMNT is still enjoyable but it is silly to remain content with
mediocrity. TMNT deserves writers/directors that will create compelling characters and storylines.

Nick TMNT is awesome but it is far from perfect. 2k3 and next mutation is the worst incarnations ever because of the Mary Sue Leonardo and Venus overwhelming the show. Now Nick TMNT is going downhill because of the upcoming Mary Sue Leo. It is such a coincidence that the writers from the 2k3 series are credited for the work for the Leo only episodes in the Nick version. I hope the writers for Nick learn from their mistakes and make an even awesomer season 4.

How was 2k3s Leo a mary sue?

[BubblyShell22]

Originally Posted by Werecat

I think you described every TMNT variation ever. Inconsistencies, anti-climatic plots, incoherent plots, plot holes are in every TMNT variation. Nonetheless, TMNT is still enjoyable but it is silly to remain content with
mediocrity. TMNT deserves writers/directors that will create compelling characters and storylines.

Nick TMNT is awesome but it is far from perfect. 2k3 and next mutation is the worst incarnations ever because of the Mary Sue Leonardo and Venus overwhelming the show. Now Nick TMNT is going downhill because of the upcoming Mary Sue Leo. It is such a coincidence that the writers from the 2k3 series are credited for the work for the Leo only episodes in the Nick version. I hope the writers for Nick learn from their mistakes and make an even awesomer season 4.

Leo is NOT a Mary Sue in the Nick series. He learned ONE healing mantra and all of a sudden he's a Mary Sue? No, he's not. If anyone's a Mary Sue, it's April with her powers.

And if you're talking about Leo's angsty mood from season 4 that was resolved and never brought up again.

[1987]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Interesting thread here. Which version did worse? Well, if you want to go the cartoon route, I'd say Next Mutation and Fast Forward and Back to the Sewers from the 2K3 show as I pretty much pretend those seasons didn't exist and that it ended with the Lost Season. If we're talking movies, definitely the 2014 movie because it was just a f*cked up mess.

And for those who are saying that Turtles Forever was a slap in the face, that's not true at all. Yeah, the FW Turtles were goofier, but it was a parody, so that's what it was about. I only hated when they were crying, and now that I remember that they DID cry in the FW toon (in "Splinter No More" Mikey starts crying as does Splinter at the thought of being human and leaving his sons), it doesn't really bother me that much.

you were complaining about turtles forever discussions, and now youre doing it yourself? hippocrit?

the crying thing in turtles forever was done to make the ot turtles look stupid and cowardly, thats different then a few tears of emotion shed at the thought of someone leaving. turtles forever was far more than just a lighthearted poking fun at the ot, it was indeed a direct slap in the face of the ot in order to make the 2k3 turtles look better and more heroic.

the problem is people who say turtles forever is accurate are so stubborn and swear that it is 100% accurate. when did michelangelo say "we're cute we cant help it, we were born that way"? and when 2k3 raph says the ot turtles have no brains, ot raph responds "we resemble that remark". so clearly hes making an a$$ of himself. the real ot raph wouldnt do that. it is so obvious they were trying to make the ot look stupid and the casual fans who havent seen much of the ot just bought right into it and ASSume that turtles forever was right. in reality, the ot turtles were WAAAAAYYYYYY out of character in turtles forever. it truly was a slap in the face.

in the short-lived poll i made my theory already had more votes, its a dam shame it got disintegrated cause it could have settled this obviously one-sided argument.

[Leo656]

The competition for this year's "Dana Barrett Memorial 'Will You Please LEAVE?' Award" is getting mighty fierce lately...

[BubblyShell22]

Originally Posted by 1987

you were complaining about turtles forever discussions, and now youre doing it yourself? hippocrit?

the crying thing in turtles forever was done to make the ot turtles look stupid and cowardly, thats different then a few tears of emotion shed at the thought of someone leaving. turtles forever was far more than just a lighthearted poking fun at the ot, it was indeed a direct slap in the face of the ot in order to make the 2k3 turtles look better and more heroic.

the problem is people who say turtles forever is accurate are so stubborn and swear that it is 100% accurate. when did michelangelo say "we're cute we cant help it, we were born that way"? and when 2k3 raph says the ot turtles have no brains, ot raph responds "we resemble that remark". so clearly hes making an a$$ of himself. the real ot raph wouldnt do that. it is so obvious they were trying to make the ot look stupid and the casual fans who havent seen much of the ot just bought right into it and ASSume that turtles forever was right. in reality, the ot turtles were WAAAAAYYYYYY out of character in turtles forever. it truly was a slap in the face.

in the short-lived poll i made my theory already had more votes, its a dam shame it got disintegrated cause it could have settled this obviously one-sided argument.

Oh, go f*ck yourself. I was responding to what everyone was saying about TF being a slap in the face and agreeing with the others that it's a parody. The problem I and others had about the discussions before were that you were constantly creating the same thread.

[1987]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Oh, go f*ck yourself. I was responding to what everyone was saying about TF being a slap in the face and agreeing with the others that it's a parody. The problem I and others had about the discussions before were that you were constantly creating the same thread.

wow, you really take this personal huh? lmfao

i only made 2 threads about it, the 2nd one was just a poll. i wish i had thought of the poll idea in the first thread and could have avoided all this nonsense from you clowns.

[BubblyShell22]

You called me a hypocrite, so yeah, I'm going to take that personally. And if you don't like it here, then get out. You certainly wouldn't be missed.

[Leo656]

I hate summer. The kids get off of school, they all clog up this place instead of going outside, and the IQ of the entire forum drops 100 points.

Bubbly: No, he called you a "hippocrit". Which probably means the same thing to people who don't know how to capitalize or put commas and periods where they belong.

[BubblyShell22]

Well, that's even worse if he can't even spell it. And then people wonder why I hate kids so much.

[Autbot_Benz]

that 1987 guys has got to be the biggest butthurt fred wolf fanatic ever. Its pathetic

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Well, that's even worse if he can't even spell it. And then people wonder why I hate kids so much.

Counting down the seconds until the inevitable "I'm on my phone" excuse, as if it makes their posts any easier to read.

[BubblyShell22]

Yep, I'm waiting for that, too, though I do understand that autocorrect CAN be a pain. But in this guy's case, I don't see it.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Well, that's even worse if he can't even spell it. And then people wonder why I hate kids so much.

Hate their parents, too. They're usually the root cause of the problem.

Originally Posted by Leo656

I hate summer. The kids get off of school, they all clog up this place instead of going outside, and the IQ of the entire forum drops 100 points.

I never put two and two together... but yeah, that would definitely explain the rash of antisocial squawkers going around. Kids with no real-world socialization and off their meds on a computer... you'd think they'd spend their time ogling online with the filter off, but nope. These kids have their priorities.

[Leo656]

Yeah man. When I had my first summer break after getting the internet I just went and saw soooooooo muuuuuch poooorn. At least that was productive.