Batman V. Superman: Dawn Of Justice

[CyberCubed]

Anyone think Bale looked sort of like Tom Cruise in Batman Begins? His younger look with his pair parted or in front of his face as young Bruce made him look a lot like that.

[Leo656]

Yeah, little bit.

[Leo656]

OKAY. Strap ya'self in. I stumbled across this through Superman Homepage. Apparently, the person who shared this on IMDB has revealed several accurate leaks recently about the movie, including stuff from some of the pics we saw the other day. Like always, still rumors and "grain of salt" and blah blah blah... but everything in here fits closely with everything we already know as Fact. And we DO know a lot if we've been paying attention.

And IF this is true... it's pretty much gonna be the Best Thing Ever. Big, sure. Probably about 3 solid hours. But it's definitely the scope this kind of movie should have. And as I've predicted, it's gonna be the most faithful comic adaptation since Watchmen. Not 100%... but about 96%, and that's close enough for me. IF this is true. Which it very well seems to be...


Long, and spoils the ENTIRE movie IF it's true. SO, proceed with caution.

Spoiler:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2975590/...read/245196525

"Three years after the Battle of Metropolis, Clark Kent is protecting the world as Superman and working as a reporter for the Daily Planet newspaper. Superman has become a controversial figure, with some blaming him for the destruction caused by General Zod and others believing him to be a hero. Lois Lane is covering the civil war on Khandaq in the Middle East, while Clark is forced to cover minor stories. He befriends Jim Olsen, a photographer who lost his legs in Zod's invasion, but doesn't blame Superman, and applied for the Daily Planet because they defend Superman, and they cover a football game between Metropolis and Gotham City in which Clark meets Victor Stone, a quarterback for the Metropolis team whose father, Dr. Silas Stone, is an robotic engineer at S.T.A.R. Labs who spearheaded a new high-tech prosthesis program which includes Jim's legs.

Bruce Wayne was in Metropolis during Zod's invasion and believes Superman to be a threat, elaborating counter-measures to disable him if necessary. He's also funding an effort to rebuild a vacant area of Gotham with new housing projects for low-income families. As Batman, he's been active for 15 years, but remains a fugitive of justice that many believe to be an urban legend. Clark has been studying the Batman's sightings despite his editor, Perry White, not seeing any potential in that story.

Lex Luthor funded Metropolis' rebuilding after Zod's invasion and has been contracted by the United States government to reverse-engineer leftover Kryptonian technology for them. Luthor believes Superman to be a threat and runs a smear campaign against him through the media vehicles he owns, and is funding the development of anti-Superman weapons, including Kryptonite, which is created through exposure to energy from the World Engine. Luthor also has collected Zod's body and harvested his DNA, using technology based on the Genesis Chamber to craft a biotechnological weapon that could fight Superman.

Senator Veronica Cale is supervising Luthor's experiments, but believes the biotechnological weapon shouldn't be deployed due to potential backlash given many still regard Superman as a hero, something Luthor seeks to rectify.

Luthor has also been monitoring other individuals with super-humans powers umbeknowst to the government, and has captured and experimented on several of them through Cadmus, a LexCorp subsidiary dedicated on genetic research. A paramilitary team under LexCorp's employ, led by his head of security Anatoly Kniazev ambushes Aquaman after luring him into a trap in a LexCorp oil rig and captures him, bringing him to Cadmus for experimentation. Luthor's activities have attracted the attention of Diana, princess of Themyscira, who is on Men's World masquerading as a wealthy humanitarian. She connects Luthor to the string of disappearances she's been been investigating and decides to pursue that lead to Metropolis.

Clark calls Lois in Khandaq, which doesn't allow Superman in their airspace. The camp is attacked by rebels and Superman springs to action to help Lois and the soldiers, in the process causing an international incident. Lois returns to Metropolis, while Cale uses the incident to convince the American Congress that Superman represents a potential political liability if they continue to harbor him. Superman is later informed by General Swanwick, one of his fiercest supporters within the government, that the Congress has ordered him to attend a summit in Washington, D.C. to discuss his place in the world. The aftermath of Superman's actions in the Middle East are observed by Bruce, Diana and Luthor.

Bruce finds out about Luthor's research on anti-Superman weapons and travels to Metropolis with Alfred Pennyworth under the pretext of meeting Luthor to discuss a partnership to rebrand Gotham's impoverished neighborhoods in order to learn more. Bruce doesn't trust Luthor with alien technology as much as he doesn't trust Superman.

Luthor promotes a fundraiser for the Metropolis Museum, the building where Zod was murdered, something which he makes sure to point out. Clark, Lois and Jim are covering the event, with Bruce, Alfred, Diana, Kniazev and Luthor's private assistant Mercy Graves in attendance. Clark interviews Bruce and questions him about the Batman, Bruce dances and flirts with Diana, who also scans Kniazev. Bruce and Luthor have a brief argument in which Bruce plants a device in Luthor's phone, so he can steal the access passwords to LexCorp Tower and infiltrate it, using a signal jammer to evade security.

Batman steals data about Luthor's projects, but an algorithm projected by Luthor adapts to the jammer and alerts security. Batman evades Kniazev and his men, but is then confronted by Superman, who believes him to a criminal. Batman refuses to surrender and, after a brief confrontation, escapes from Superman in the Batmobile. Batman sightings in Metropolis are enough for Lois and Clark to convince Perry to let them go to Gotham for a more extensive investigation. Luthor later reviews footage of Superman and Batman's encounter acquired by the government's satellites and retrieves the signal jammer Batman left behind, which gives Luthor an idea.

Superman arrives at the summit, with the entire world watching. Senator Cale accuses him of being dangerous, and Superman defends himself and explains his ideals. The Congress pushes for Superman to swear allegiance to them, including disclosing secrets of his identity and upbringing, but Superman refuses, claiming he will not become a tool of the government.

Superman hears Batman's signal jammer and feels weak. He loses control of his powers and the building is evacuated just as it explodes, injuring several people and killing General Swanwick. Senator Cale accuses Superman of being the culprint, and he is forced to escape when the military intervene. Superman is declared a public enemy, while Luthor is informed that the Kryptonite has been a success.

Clark returns to the damaged building and locates Batman's signal jammer, and becomes convinced that Batman framed him and is indirectly responsible for General Swanwick's death. Superman returns to Metropolis in search of Batman, but Bruce manages to evade him. He learns about Kryptonite from Luthor's files and steals samples from it from a LexCorp outpost stationed in the Indian Ocean where the World Engine has first activated.

Meanwhile, Diana lures Kniazev and his men into a trap and confronts them. Kniazev escapes, but Diana manages to interrogate one of his soldiers, using the Lasse of Truth to force him into revealing where the super-humans are being taken.

(Cont.)

[Leo656]

Spoiler:

Batman attracts Superman to the abandoned neighborhood being rebuilt by Wayne Enterprises and fights him with an armored suit, Kryptonite-based weapons and several buildings and vehicles that have been booby-trapped with Batman's arsenal of anti-Superman weapons. The fight is vicious and ends with Superman victorious. Batman urges Superman to kill him, but Superman refuses. Batman then reveals that the fight was designed to test Superman.

When pressed for the signal jammer, Batman declares innocence, and they join forces to locate the true mastermind behind the conspiracy. Simultaneously, Diana locates the Cadmus facility in the outskirts of Metropolis and observers the experiments being conducted therein, particularly on Aquaman, and the ongoing development of the biotechnological weapon, Doomsday.

Wonder Woman infiltrates the facility and rescues Aquaman, but he leaves her behind and returns to the ocean. Luthor's men, armed with advanced weaponry, spring to action, forcing Wonder Woman to flee. Luthor later informs Cale that the Cadmus facility has been compromised, and that they only have no resort to protect their careers.

Batman leads Superman to the Batcave, where they deduce Luthor is behind everything. Diana arrives and reveals that she knows their secret and exposes Luthor's experiments at Cadmus. Superman is infuriated that Luthor has been weaponizing the technology stolen from Zod, as he still blames himself for all the damage it caused.

Superman introduces Lois to Batman and Wonder Woman and they join forces to expose Luthor. Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman attack the Cadmus facility to rescue the remaining prisoners, but are then attacked by Doomsday, who has been deployed by Luthor and Cale. Superman fights Doomsday while Wonder Woman helps the remaining prisoners to flee and Batman retrieves data from the Cadmus' servers and fights Kniazev. Meanwhile, Lois infiltrates LexCorp Tower using the signal jammer while Jimmy creates a distraction to find a way to disable Doomsday.

Doomsday marches to Metropolis, and Cale learns that Luthor has sub-programming in Doomsday to maximime collateral damage to further damage Superman's reputation. Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman battle Doomsday in Metropolis, and are joined by Aquaman, who wants to repay his debt to Wonder Woman and get revenge against Luthor. Together, the heroes manage to minimize collateral damage and avoid innocent casualties, but Doomsday is still able to adapt to their abilities and overpower them in combat.

Mercy catches Lois and they have a fight, but Lois manages to locate Doomsday's systems and insert a sub-routine that allows Alfred to disable the servers. Cale attempts to terminate Doomsday, but Luthor reveals that she can't. When she attempts to expose Luthor, he kills them and makes it appear to be suicide.

Without LexCorp satellites uploading battle tactics directly into his mind, Doomsday becomes more vulnerable to attacks, but continues wreaking havoc and causing wanton destruction. Victor is caught in the crossfire while helping innocents and severely injured. With Batman, Wonder Woman and Aquaman all struggling to protect the innocent, Superman realizes what he must do and soars into Space with Doomsday. He flies into the Sun, with Doomsday still trying to kill him, and they disappear in an explosion.

Superman is believed to have sacrificed himself, but emerges from the Sun and returns to Earth as the planet celebrates his victory.

A few days later, Superman speaks to the Congress once again and speaks in favor of his new allies, as Batman is embraced by the public as reality and the police charges against him called into question, Wonder Woman continues helping people in impoverished countries, Aquaman continues fighting for the environment, Victor is transferred to S.T.A.R. Labs' C.Y.B.O.R.G. Program, Senator Cale is framed of having authorized Doomsday's deployment, and, although Luthor covers up his involvement, his role in creating Doomsday and other Kryptonite-based weapons is exposed and his company loses its military contracts as a result. Superman concludes his statement by revealing that "a new age is dawning."

Luthor is drinking in his office when Superman arrives and they discuss recent events separated by a glass window. Luthor accuses Superman of being the end of human achievements, Superman claims that Luthor takes himself as superior to other humans, and is terrified that for all its wealth and power he is still beneath all the heroes that fought in Metropolis and fight everyday for an ideal grander than themselves. The ideal of justice. Luthor vows to destroy Superman. Superman claims he'll be waiting.

The script concludes with Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and Aquaman meeting at Kent Farm to discuss Luthor's actions. Superman points out Luthor won't stop, and there'll be others like him. Aquaman claims to have affairs in his "home", but is willing to assist if necessary, as the heroes have earned his respect. After he departs, Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman decide to find others like them of this new emerging race of meta-humans to form a line of defense against Earth and those who seek to bring it harm. Batman points out to reports of a red blur in Central City stopping bank robbers.

Superman asks what happens next. Wonder Woman says "recruitment"."

SO. I need a f*cking towel. That's even better than what I was expecting. Which was pretty much That, but... Not quite as textured and detailed. They REALLY did the homework for this one. Halfway through I lost track of all the threads from various big comics storylines that were woven into it. And it all fits so well. I REALLY hope it's legit. Because it simply doesn't get any better than that.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Leo656

And as I've predicted, it's gonna be the most faithful comic adaptation since Watchmen. Not 100%... but about 96%, and that's close enough for me. IF this is true. Which it very well seems to be...

SPOILERY SPOILER SPOIL.........


SO. I need a f*cking towel. That's even better than what I was expecting. Which was pretty much That, but... Not quite as textured and detailed. They REALLY did the homework for this one. Halfway through I lost track of all the threads from various big comics storylines that were woven into it. And it all fits so well. I REALLY hope it's legit. Because it simply doesn't get any better than that.

The 4% missing?

His red briefs.




But seriously - I don't want to spoil it for myself, so I didn't read.

BUT do me a favour, and save a copy somewhere, so in 12 months we can see how close they were.

But if this is out already...going to be a long 12 months.

[Leo656]

I don't care if things are spoiled for me so long as they turn out good. It's always neat to see how close reality matches my mental picture, or doesn't.

Lotta story for a 3-hour movie... but WHAT a story. And if true, it brings every lingering thread from MoS to a natural, logical conclusion, as promised. And it's so the opposite of the "cram everything we can in there" approach of the TMNT flicks. There's stuff that was very carefully and delicately extracted from dozens of the greatest books and sewn into a larger tapestry, and it all fits very organically. A perfect streamlining of the larger DC canon in a way that fits a movie-style universe. If legit, it does a terrific job in quite literally making this movie a grand evolution from MoS into the larger cinematic DCU. AND, as I predicted, Superman ultimately and fully earns the mantle of "Earth's Greatest Hero". No more "shades of gray" or confusion by the end of this joint... the Good Guys and Bad Guys are fully established, and we head full-throttle into Justice League. Awesome.

Seems like the "dark and bleak" stuff was all part of the slow build, to have (for a change) the super-heroes have to earn society's trust. Which is different for this kind of movie, it makes sense, story-wise, and I love it. It's very apparent to me that there really was a larger vision in place from the beginning that most people couldn't envision because certain things hadn't been revealed yet, or were being saved for this and future movies. But it all pays off a lot of "questionable" things from MoS, by way of things like "character evolution" and "plot development"... Who'da thunk it? And again, it's all SO straight from the canon, which matters to me, because movies never just do the books, and it seems like that's the FIRST approach they should be taking. Simply put, this is the kind of movie the hardest of hardcore DC comics fans have been hoping and dreaming of for just f*cking forever. IF it's legit. I really hope it is.

Long wait, sure, but I expect it'll be worth it. If the rumors are true about Capt. Kirk getting the Hal Jordan gig for Justice League, they can go ahead and sign me up in advance for that flick, too.

Oh god, I just realized that with all this stuff about the JLA interacting with the US gov't, that they're almost definitely gonna introduce Max Lord as their government-appointed liason at the beginning of the JLA movie... and then you have your NEXT 2 or 3 movies already in the can, what with Checkmate, Brother Eye, OMAC... and all the associated Batman stuff... and with Cadmus, I see Clone Superboy becoming a reality in the Superman series at some point. I see lots of things. And I'm very pleased with what I see.

Let's hope this dude ain't jackin' us off.

[Turo602]

I couldn't resist but if true, I think most of my doubts can be put to rest, at least story wise. Hopefully it doesn't turn out to be one of those things that sounds great on paper but comes up short everywhere else. It's definitely reassuring but I'm more interested in seeing how all these events play out on film, that is, if any of it is true. So I'm not gonna get too excited just yet, but it does sound great.

[Commenter 42]

I don't know dude, I have a really hard time trusting Snyder.
I remember reading a fantastic script in 2008, where they tied the events of TF1 into Generation 1, a 140 page script of pure awesome. Took a long cold shower after reading that sh-t.

It looked 100% legit. I was really excited, thinking finally, we'll see the real TF in a live action movie! The first was just a mulligan! Prime was back as a peterbuilt, bumblebee was a VW Bug. There were scenes on the arc, scenes on cybertron...

I thought, "everyone's gonna be so thrilled with Transformers 2!"

So, yeah...

I mean, who takes the time to write a140 page hoax? A script of such elaborate design, a script that sounds incredible!

To go to all that trouble...

Yeah...

[Leo656]

Reason I think it's legit is I've been following the entire thing pretty obsessively, as I do with all Superman movie projects, and the "leak" fits almost exactly with things that are already Fact, things that have already been spoiled. The broad strokes of the plot have already been spoiled. There's only so many ways they can take A, B, C, and tie it all together into a narrative. What surprises me, is not the story/sequence of events - that's literally the exact plot I expected the movie to have for months now - but rather how DEEP and how well put together it is. Just like with MoS, you have someone in Snyder who actually READ the books - not just cherry-picked cover images, like Singer or Liebsman do with their super-hero movies, and sat down with someone and said, "How do we make a story that is quite literally a love letter to the comic books?" And it's perfect. The story is Perfect, with all of its nuances and Easter Eggs and payoffs from the first movie and planting seeds for the next. Now it just has to look good. And I know Snyder's visual style is largely a matter of taste, but I think the Story will win over those who think his color palette is too drab.

I'm inclined to think it's real. It reminds me a lot of the leaks I found of Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith back in the day. I can't remember where but I'd already read the entire plot for both of those about 6 months in advance, too, and it was all legit. Stuff gets out, somehow.

In this case, since the reaction to the "leak" has been universally Positive, I'm inclined to think WB simply doesn't care. Or even allowed it, to assuage people's fears. I mean so much of the buzz has been mixed, this kind of thing can easily win over a lot of people who were on the fence expecting it to be something it's not.

OR I'm just being hopeful because it's exactly the story as it SHOULD be. But I think it's legit. Apparently most of this dude's leaks in the past were accurate. We'll see. Can't wait.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Now it just has to look good. And I know Snyder's visual style is largely a matter of taste, but I think the Story will win over those who think his color palette is too drab.

You know what I think, but yeah, enough with the hyper contrasted bleach bypass monocromatic high pass off-set. It's ugly.

Originally Posted by Leo656

Apparently most of this dude's leaks in the past were accurate. We'll see. Can't wait.

I'm glad you're excited. I'm glad because I know that if you've nit picked stuff as much as I have, and you are thinking this is awesome, then good. I'm happy you're possibly getting a movie that speaks like that to you. It's rare, but when it happens, feels like Christmas in you brain.

Wish I could join you on that ride.

[Leo656]

I think it's going to look a lot different than MoS. Probably paced better, too. It's easy to forget but a lot of MoS was made in a panic, because they had to have a certain amount of it finished by a certain date or it would affect the Siegel lawsuit. Meanwhile, I think this one is all pretty much in the can already and they're spending the next 9 months polishing the visuals and such. I also don't expect a ton of annoying randomly-placed flashback scenes. Pretty sure this movie is much more linear, other than the fact that we know they have a brief flashback to the Waynes' murder.

Point being, I think they paid attention to a lot of what people were saying. I expect a similar but very different experience this time out.

[Xiewin]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Spoiler:

Batman attracts Superman to the abandoned neighborhood being rebuilt by Wayne Enterprises and fights him with an armored suit, Kryptonite-based weapons and several buildings and vehicles that have been booby-trapped with Batman's arsenal of anti-Superman weapons. The fight is vicious and ends with Superman victorious. Batman urges Superman to kill him, but Superman refuses. Batman then reveals that the fight was designed to test Superman.

When pressed for the signal jammer, Batman declares innocence, and they join forces to locate the true mastermind behind the conspiracy. Simultaneously, Diana locates the Cadmus facility in the outskirts of Metropolis and observers the experiments being conducted therein, particularly on Aquaman, and the ongoing development of the biotechnological weapon, Doomsday.

Wonder Woman infiltrates the facility and rescues Aquaman, but he leaves her behind and returns to the ocean. Luthor's men, armed with advanced weaponry, spring to action, forcing Wonder Woman to flee. Luthor later informs Cale that the Cadmus facility has been compromised, and that they only have no resort to protect their careers.

Batman leads Superman to the Batcave, where they deduce Luthor is behind everything. Diana arrives and reveals that she knows their secret and exposes Luthor's experiments at Cadmus. Superman is infuriated that Luthor has been weaponizing the technology stolen from Zod, as he still blames himself for all the damage it caused.

Superman introduces Lois to Batman and Wonder Woman and they join forces to expose Luthor. Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman attack the Cadmus facility to rescue the remaining prisoners, but are then attacked by Doomsday, who has been deployed by Luthor and Cale. Superman fights Doomsday while Wonder Woman helps the remaining prisoners to flee and Batman retrieves data from the Cadmus' servers and fights Kniazev. Meanwhile, Lois infiltrates LexCorp Tower using the signal jammer while Jimmy creates a distraction to find a way to disable Doomsday.

Doomsday marches to Metropolis, and Cale learns that Luthor has sub-programming in Doomsday to maximime collateral damage to further damage Superman's reputation. Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman battle Doomsday in Metropolis, and are joined by Aquaman, who wants to repay his debt to Wonder Woman and get revenge against Luthor. Together, the heroes manage to minimize collateral damage and avoid innocent casualties, but Doomsday is still able to adapt to their abilities and overpower them in combat.

Mercy catches Lois and they have a fight, but Lois manages to locate Doomsday's systems and insert a sub-routine that allows Alfred to disable the servers. Cale attempts to terminate Doomsday, but Luthor reveals that she can't. When she attempts to expose Luthor, he kills them and makes it appear to be suicide.

Without LexCorp satellites uploading battle tactics directly into his mind, Doomsday becomes more vulnerable to attacks, but continues wreaking havoc and causing wanton destruction. Victor is caught in the crossfire while helping innocents and severely injured. With Batman, Wonder Woman and Aquaman all struggling to protect the innocent, Superman realizes what he must do and soars into Space with Doomsday. He flies into the Sun, with Doomsday still trying to kill him, and they disappear in an explosion.

Superman is believed to have sacrificed himself, but emerges from the Sun and returns to Earth as the planet celebrates his victory.

A few days later, Superman speaks to the Congress once again and speaks in favor of his new allies, as Batman is embraced by the public as reality and the police charges against him called into question, Wonder Woman continues helping people in impoverished countries, Aquaman continues fighting for the environment, Victor is transferred to S.T.A.R. Labs' C.Y.B.O.R.G. Program, Senator Cale is framed of having authorized Doomsday's deployment, and, although Luthor covers up his involvement, his role in creating Doomsday and other Kryptonite-based weapons is exposed and his company loses its military contracts as a result. Superman concludes his statement by revealing that "a new age is dawning."

Luthor is drinking in his office when Superman arrives and they discuss recent events separated by a glass window. Luthor accuses Superman of being the end of human achievements, Superman claims that Luthor takes himself as superior to other humans, and is terrified that for all its wealth and power he is still beneath all the heroes that fought in Metropolis and fight everyday for an ideal grander than themselves. The ideal of justice. Luthor vows to destroy Superman. Superman claims he'll be waiting.

The script concludes with Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and Aquaman meeting at Kent Farm to discuss Luthor's actions. Superman points out Luthor won't stop, and there'll be others like him. Aquaman claims to have affairs in his "home", but is willing to assist if necessary, as the heroes have earned his respect. After he departs, Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman decide to find others like them of this new emerging race of meta-humans to form a line of defense against Earth and those who seek to bring it harm. Batman points out to reports of a red blur in Central City stopping bank robbers.

Superman asks what happens next. Wonder Woman says "recruitment"."

Well that just made my entire day.

[Leo656]

http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=16636

In the special Entertainment Weekly Comic-Con Preview magazine, director Zack Snyder talks about how "Man of Steel" will lead in to "Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice", and speaks directly about the damage seen in the final battle between Superman and Zod, and the criticism the movie received because of that death and destruction.

"I was surprised because that's the thesis of Superman for me, that you can't just have superheroes knock around and have there be no consequences," says Snyder. The director says he had always intended for the dead to be counted. Indeed, Batman v Superman addresses these concerns head-on - Superman's victims serve as Batman's impetus to take him down. "One of the things I liked was Zack's idea of showing accountability and the consequences of violence and seeing that there are real people in those buildings," says Ben Affleck, who plays Batman. "And in fact, one of those buildings was Bruce Wayne's building so he knew people who died in that Black Zero event."

"There are other superhero movies where they joke about how basically no one's getting hurt," Snyder says. "That's not us. What is that message? That's it's okay that there's this massive destruction with zero consequence for anyone? That's what Watchmen was about in a lot of ways too. There was a scene, that scene where Dan and Laurie get mugged. They beat up the criminals. I was like the first guy, I want to show his arm get broken. I want a compound fracture. I don't want it to be clean. I want you to go, 'Oh my God, I guess you're right. If you just beat up a guy in an alley he's not going to just be lying on the ground. It's going to be messy."
Source: EW.com

[Turo602]

Yeah, I never understood the problem with the destruction in Man of Steel. It's awesome that they're addressing it in Dawn of Justice, but even if they didn't, so what? Most of the destruction came from Zod's world engine. Too many people act like Superman was doing the chaos when it was mostly just Zod throwing him from building to building. And it's not like the buildings even had people in them. It was made clear that people were evacuating the area. Not to mention, most of the city looked fine during Superman and Zod's aerial battle. It was mainly the area affected by the world engine that was destroyed. Also, it's a kryptonian invasion. What else do you expect? Zod's goal was genocide. Superman had no other choice but to stop Zod right there and then. But most importantly, it's fictional. Destruction is cool to see in an epic fight every once in a while. I've seen worse in the Justice League cartoon and everybody seems to be okay with it. So what's the difference now?

[Leo656]

Well, in fairness, I get the complaints because I made them myself. On the drive home from MoS, I said to my wife, "It's gonna be really tough to set him up as Earth's Greatest Hero after that fiasco. If there's any logic to it, then he's gotta be looked at as just as big a menace as Zod. All those people in Smallville and Metropolis saw was guys knocking over buildings and shooting laser beams at each other. Nobody's gonna notice or care that the guy in the cape is supposed to be the 'Good Guy'. They got a lot of work to do in the next one if they wanna put this guy over."

I didn't really have a lot of faith at the time, and was a little annoyed at a ton of things in the movie as I was leaving the theater, but it's grown on me since and I have a much clearer view of the big picture, and the larger story they're trying to tell. It's not just a movie or series about Superman being revealed and taking his place in the world; it's about a world in need of saviors, the emergence of gods among mortal men, and what separates the gods who would save us from the gods who would hurt us, and how humanity reacts to this new age. A lot of that stuff is traditionally kind of glossed over in traditional super-hero fare. Like the Hulk will wreck a city, but other than a little background blurb about how public opinion may be turning against the Avengers, there's no real follow-through or consequence. Clearly, these movies are taking a different approach.

Spoiler:

For example, if the bit about Doomsday turns out to be true, with LexCorp implanting a protocol in him that maximizes collateral damage during his fight with Superman, to make Superman to be even more dangerous and out of control, capitalizing on people's fears after Metropolis and trying to turn public opinion against Superman even more... that's brilliant. That's extremely well thought out and it's exactly what Luthor would do. And it links the movies together in a way that shows both consequences and follow-through, which is neat.

[sdp]

Am I the only one that thinks that there's an anti-DC bias on the internet? Marvel is clearly more popular and while I'd like to think we're all objective adults I know otherwise and DC vs Marvel is really no different than Nintendo vs Sony vs Microsoft where you have fanboys on all sides, but DC is clearly the underdog. No matter what DC does it gets criticized, they really are in a similar situation PR wise like Nintendo. "Why doesn't DC have a cinematic universe?" they decide to go that route and "Why is DC copying MCU?". "Why doesn't DC release non Batman films?", they announce non-Batman films "Why is DC releasing so many superhero movies?". "Why are there no consequences to the battle in MoS?", they address it and now we have "DC is only doing it because fans were complaining". "I don't want DC movies to copy Marvel", "Why aren't DC movies more like Marvel". When you have comments like "Superman is boring" which is the comic industry equivalent to "Nintendo is kiddy", I do think there's an anti-DC bias.

I do think there's starting to be superhero movie fatigue after we saw the B.O. of JW, I think DC's darker direction might be a breath of fresh air in superhero movies. Then again I could be wrong, I predicted the peak of SH movies back in 2012 after Avengers/Watchmen/TDKR since I didn't think the hype of those movies could be topped and it was able to so we'll see.

[plastroncafe]

I think DC's history in the wider market is what's earned DC that bias, rather than it just appearing out of no where fully formed.

But please, keep up the spoilers and leaks, so then I really won't have to pay for a ticket.

[CyberCubed]

This movie will probably be better than a good chunk of the Marvel films.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

This movie will probably be better than a good chunk of the Marvel films.

Says the die hard batman fan.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Originally Posted by <TmNtRoX-1997>

Am I the only one that thinks that there's an anti-DC bias on the internet? Marvel is clearly more popular and while I'd like to think we're all objective adults I know otherwise and DC vs Marvel is really no different than Nintendo vs Sony vs Microsoft where you have fanboys on all sides, but DC is clearly the underdog. No matter what DC does it gets criticized, they really are in a similar situation PR wise like Nintendo. "Why doesn't DC have a cinematic universe?" they decide to go that route and "Why is DC copying MCU?". "Why doesn't DC release non Batman films?", they announce non-Batman films "Why is DC releasing so many superhero movies?". "Why are there no consequences to the battle in MoS?", they address it and now we have "DC is only doing it because fans were complaining". "I don't want DC movies to copy Marvel", "Why aren't DC movies more like Marvel". When you have comments like "Superman is boring" which is the comic industry equivalent to "Nintendo is kiddy", I do think there's an anti-DC bias.

I do think there's starting to be superhero movie fatigue after we saw the B.O. of JW, I think DC's darker direction might be a breath of fresh air in superhero movies. Then again I could be wrong, I predicted the peak of SH movies back in 2012 after Avengers/Watchmen/TDKR since I didn't think the hype of those movies could be topped and it was able to so we'll see.

People are weird, basically.