Worst Version of Bebop and Rocksteady - Page 4

*Autbot_Benz* · 08-01-2015, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninturtle

No it's because the only trait they have in the OT is that they're stupid henchman. They aren't as funny as the are in Nick anc IDW. With Nick the humor comes from their interactions with each other which isn't just them saying something stupid to each other. What traits do the OT versions have that don't stem from stupidity ( there's not many ).

agreed OT are the worst they are not that funny and are incompetent and stupid.

*shuriken* · 08-01-2015, 04:18 PM

In the OT the first few episodes they were pretty unstoppable. By the 3rd or fourth season thy were being beaten by socks and being thrown around by the turtles. So their strength and weakness was all over the place. I still like their characterizations, but they only really work in that universe.

The Nick versions are too different for me to really consider them as Bebop and Rocksteady.

IDW has made them idiots, with funny interactions and dialogue, but has made them immensely powerful beasts of destruction. Their success rate is still like 2-5 but they are always threats, except when owned by Raph that one time before mutation.

Ceres · 08-01-2015, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninturtle

No it's because the only trait they have in the OT is that they're stupid henchman. They aren't as funny as the are in Nick anc IDW. With Nick the humor comes from their interactions with each other which isn't just them saying something stupid to each other. What traits do the OT versions have that don't stem from stupidity ( there's not many ).

oh yeah, and what makes the Nick versions so funny? Not much i as i can remember. OT Rocksteady and Bebop are still in many minds who knew the old show, the new versions? In a few years no one will talk or even remember about them anymore but the old ones will definitely stay in memory.

Not only because of their characters(which is totally alright for me seeing as their animals are not that smart in real life too which probably got transfered to their transformed state), sure they are stupid henchmen and probably only work with each other, but these two are truly authentic while the new versions are sterile and not really something which i can enjoy that much.

And they working good too because they are like best buddies while the new versions are more of a boss and lackey relationship which is not as funny as these two stupid, yet awkwardly "semi-brothers"interacting with each other. But that is only personal preference.

*Ninturtle* · 08-01-2015, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by <TmNtRoX-1997>

Beebop and Rocksteady fit perfectly in the OT. How are they considered the worst version?

Archie's versions are pretty much irrelevant, I only got to see Beebop in one episode of Nick but he was just another generic mutant there. How exactly is the OT version now considered the worst version?

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Originally Posted by EmpressOfShadows

oh yeah, and what makes the Nick versions so funny? Not much i as i can remember. OT Rocksteady and Bebop are still in many minds who knew the old show, the new versions? In a few years no one will talk or even remember about them anymore but the old ones will definitely stay in memory.

Not only because of their characters(which is totally alright for me seeing as their animals are not that smart in real life too which probably got transfered to their transformed state), sure they are stupid henchmen and probably only work with each other, but these two are truly authentic while the new versions are sterile and not really something which i can enjoy that much.

And they working good too because they are like best buddies while the new versions are more of a boss and lackey relationship which is not as funny as these two stupid, yet awkwardly "semi-brothers"interacting with each other. But that is only personal preference.

The only reason people remember The OT B&R is because turtlemania was huge and they were some of the main villians in that show. A ton of people remember nothing about them except there names and appearance. Why do you think so many people complained when Bebop and Rocksteady were shown as humans instead of animals in the second bay turtles movie. The new Bebop and Rocksteady are funny because they have funny interactions with each other and the turtles because they're written well.. The new dynamic Between Bebop and Rocksteady is interesting they aren't best friends but stick together because it benefits them and they get along well most times. I like that they aren't blindly loyal to Shredder and it's clear they only work with him because they fear him.

*Autbot_Benz* · 08-01-2015, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninturtle

The only reason people remember The OT B&R is because turtlemania was huge and they were some of the main villians in that show. A ton of people remember nothing about them except there names and appearance. Why do you think so many people complained when Bebop and Rocksteady were shown as humans instead of animals in the second bay turtles movie. The new Bebop and Rocksteady are funny because they have funny interactions with each other and the turtles because they're written well.. The new dynamic Between Bebop and Rocksteady is interesting they aren't best friends but stick together because it benefits them and they get along well most times. I like that they aren't blindly loyal to Shredder and it's clear they only work with him because they fear him.

Not to mention in Nick you actually get a few episodes to get to know them as humans before they get mutated.

*turtlefanforever* · 08-02-2015, 11:38 AM

Original series Bebop and Rocksteady are THE only Bebop and Rocksteady

*Ninturtle* · 08-02-2015, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by turtlefanforever

Original series Bebop and Rocksteady are THE only Bebop and Rocksteady

This statement is false as there are 3 other versions of the characters.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 08-02-2015, 12:57 PM

They're stereotypes of people with "more muscles than brain", whatever TMNT universe they appear in.

Chaotix12345 · 08-02-2015, 02:13 PM

Voted OT. Looking back on them, there really wasn't much to them other than being mutant punk henchman buddies. Their personalities were pretty interchangeable and nothing was really lost by having just one of them in a scene compared to both. They were still likeable, silly villains, but as a whole, the other incarnations have a lot more to offer.

Though, I can't say that I wasn't a little tempted to vote Archie instead. I REALLY wasn't a fan of how they talked (Placing "duh" between every word made them seem TOO dumb, even based on the OT versions from later seasons. Also made it EXTREMELY hard to read the dialogue in their voices naturally.) However, them basically rejecting their old lives for ones of peace because the memories of their source animals resurfaced was really interesting and brought some unexpected depth to them, basically making up for my previous pet peeve. (I think their little dialogue issue was fixed for the IDW Anniversary story, though, so kudos if that was the case. Been a while since I've read it.)

Klunk1234 · 08-02-2015, 09:59 PM

In any case, I think the discussion is in regards to which version of B&R the poorest representation of the core aspects of those characters.[/QUOTE]

In that case, it has to be Nick's Bebop. His voice is irritating. Rocksteady is fine. After issue #44 could not see Bebop and Rocksteady the same way anymore.

View Poll Results: Worse Version of Bebop and Rocksteady
OT	18	40.91%
Archie	9	20.45%
IDW	3	6.82%
Nick	14	31.82%
Voters: 44. You may not vote on this poll

08-01-2015, 04:18 PM	#62
shuriken Second City Shinobi Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chi-town Posts: 4,182	In the OT the first few episodes they were pretty unstoppable. By the 3rd or fourth season thy were being beaten by socks and being thrown around by the turtles. So their strength and weakness was all over the place. I still like their characterizations, but they only really work in that universe. The Nick versions are too different for me to really consider them as Bebop and Rocksteady. IDW has made them idiots, with funny interactions and dialogue, but has made them immensely powerful beasts of destruction. Their success rate is still like 2-5 but they are always threats, except when owned by Raph that one time before mutation. __________________ Some things are better left unsaid. This isn't one of them

08-02-2015, 11:38 AM	#66
turtlefanforever Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 3,098	Realistically Original series Bebop and Rocksteady are THE only Bebop and Rocksteady

08-02-2015, 02:13 PM	#69
Chaotix12345 Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,135	Voted OT. Looking back on them, there really wasn't much to them other than being mutant punk henchman buddies. Their personalities were pretty interchangeable and nothing was really lost by having just one of them in a scene compared to both. They were still likeable, silly villains, but as a whole, the other incarnations have a lot more to offer. Though, I can't say that I wasn't a little tempted to vote Archie instead. I REALLY wasn't a fan of how they talked (Placing "duh" between every word made them seem TOO dumb, even based on the OT versions from later seasons. Also made it EXTREMELY hard to read the dialogue in their voices naturally.) However, them basically rejecting their old lives for ones of peace because the memories of their source animals resurfaced was really interesting and brought some unexpected depth to them, basically making up for my previous pet peeve. (I think their little dialogue issue was fixed for the IDW Anniversary story, though, so kudos if that was the case. Been a while since I've read it.) __________________ The Lazy Shell - My nerdy musings in rarely-updated blog form!

08-02-2015, 12:57 PM	#68
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,481	They're stereotypes of people with "more muscles than brain", whatever TMNT universe they appear in.

08-02-2015, 09:59 PM	#70
Klunk1234 Hench Mutant Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: With the TMNT Posts: 462	In any case, I think the discussion is in regards to which version of B&R the poorest representation of the core aspects of those characters.[/QUOTE] In that case, it has to be Nick's Bebop. His voice is irritating. Rocksteady is fine. After issue #44 could not see Bebop and Rocksteady the same way anymore.