The only universe where Shredder succesfully kills Splinter

*CyberCubed* · 10-08-2015, 05:37 PM

In 30 years of TMNT history, this is the only universe where Shredder actually successfully killed Splinter. The other closest would be IDW, where Shredder kills Hamato Yoshi in Feudal Japan before he's resurrected, but he never killed him again in his mutated Splinter form.

Mirage: Shredder kills Yoshi, but Splinter trains the Turtles to kill Shredder.

Original movies: Shredder kills Yoshi, but Splinter himself "kills" Shredder, or so we think until TMNT II. Super Shredder killed by his own hand.

Original cartoon: Obviously neither Shredder nor Splinter kill each other. Shredder is still stranded in Dimension X by the end of the show.

4kids: Shredder kills Yoshi, again Splinter and the Turtles defeat Ch'rell afterward many times and into Turtles Forever.

Archie: Shredder goes insane during, "Year of the Turtle."

IDW: Shredder kills Yoshi, he comes back as Splinter centuries later.

Nick: Shredder kills Splinter

Its 30 years in the making.

*ssjup81* · 10-08-2015, 05:45 PM

I find it ironic that this occurred with a Nick show. Mind blown. lol

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 10-08-2015, 07:17 PM

Wow, that Nick would be the ones to make it happen... good observation, both of you guys!

*Blackeyedsonic* · 10-09-2015, 12:46 AM

Ill wait to see if it sticks before I get excited

*Coola Yagami* · 10-09-2015, 01:18 AM

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Ill wait to see if it sticks before I get excited

It won't. Somehow they'll bring back the Earth and everyone on it. They'd have to come up with some whacked out reason of how they'd somehow revive Shredder, Karai, the Mutaminals and everyone else except Splinter.

*Shark_Blade* · 10-09-2015, 01:51 AM

Didn't splinter die in 2k3 "same as it never was"? By shredder right?

*CyberCubed* · 10-09-2015, 01:53 AM

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Didn't splinter die in 2k3 "same as it never was"? By shredder right?

Well that's an alternate universe.

*ssjup81* · 10-09-2015, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

It won't. Somehow they'll bring back the Earth and everyone on it. They'd have to come up with some whacked out reason of how they'd somehow revive Shredder, Karai, the Mutaminals and everyone else except Splinter.

Kind of beside the point. Yeah, we know things will get "reset" in some way, but it still doesn't change the fact that Shredder did kill him.

Personally, I hope this does stick, and maybe have flashbacks for scenes with him. I could see them maybe going back in time and maybe stopping the device but being unable to prevent his death, that kind of thing.

*neatoman* · 10-09-2015, 04:52 AM

I don't really care wheter or not Shredder killed Splinter here. Earth was going to blow up anyway, so when you think about it it's unimportant if Shredder did it himself, the destruction of the planet would have done him in anyway.

Besides, IDW recently outdid this moment with a much more meaningful death scene, if you read issue 50 you know exactly what I'm talking about.

*Shark_Blade* · 10-09-2015, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Well that's an alternate universe.

But it's in 2k3 after all!

It happened somewhere else, but when Donnie got back it's as if it never happened.

Same as 2k12, they'd turn back time as if it never happened.

*Coola Yagami* · 10-09-2015, 06:36 AM

Yeah.... whenever they do turn back time and reset this..... Shredder killing Splinter will be sort of an alternate reality. A reality where the Triceratons blew up planet Earth and end of story.

*neatoman* · 10-09-2015, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Yeah.... whenever they do turn back time and reset this..... Shredder killing Splinter will be sort of an alternate reality. A reality where the Triceratons blew up planet Earth and end of story.

Well I mean obviously the whole "Shredder kills Splinter" moment only happened because it won't matter, that much is obvious as Splinter would have died anyway in this scenario. If the Turtles are successful in preventing the weapon from being assembled, then the whole scenario in which Shredder killed Splinter won't happen at all. If they fail, then tripping Shredder at the right moment will save both Splinter and the earth. It's not at all hard to figure out.

Something else I realised is how nonsensical it is for the Turtles to survive this while the Mutanimals and Foot Mutants don't. They were all in the same spot, so there's really no reason why they were able to get to Honeycutt's ship while everyone else was sucked into the black hole.

SKX31 · 10-09-2015, 09:16 AM

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Something else I realised is how nonsensical it is for the Turtles to survive this while the Mutanimals and Foot Mutants don't. They were all in the same spot, so there's really no reason why they were able to get to Honeycutt's ship while everyone else was sucked into the black hole.

Ah, but you see: there's one reason for it. Only one thing allowed them to stay on the ground while heavier friends and foes got sucked in.

The Turtles + April / Casey have Plot Armor.

Speedy Cerviche · 01-09-2016, 06:07 PM

Maybe it should be more along the lines of the Nick show was the first to kill Splinter "onscreen".

*Powder* · 01-09-2016, 06:56 PM

A bump for semantics...

*miru* · 01-11-2016, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

I don't really care wheter or not Shredder killed Splinter here. Earth was going to blow up anyway, so when you think about it it's unimportant if Shredder did it himself, the destruction of the planet would have done him in anyway.

Besides, IDW recently outdid this moment with a much more meaningful death scene, if you read issue 50 you know exactly what I'm talking about.

The undoing of the Black Hole Generator would only undo deaths caused by it. Master Splinter is not one of them. He's dead.

*ssjup81* · 01-11-2016, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by miru

The undoing of the Black Hole Generator would only undo deaths caused by it. Master Splinter is not one of them. He's dead.

Very true, but if the Turtles can prevent the gathering of all the parts, then Splinter wouldn't have teamed up with Shredder at all, hence no perm death.

*shredder orokusaki* · 01-12-2016, 07:43 AM

I killled Splinter! They can not save him! MUAHHAHAHH

*victory_angel* · 01-12-2016, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ssjup81

Very true, but if the Turtles can prevent the gathering of all the parts, then Splinter wouldn't have teamed up with Shredder at all, hence no perm death.

But this is still the best case scenario. As the Triceraton's are bigger, stronger, and more numerous then the Turtles and company. The task to get the parts of the heart of darkness would be extremely, extremely difficult.

~~ABrown~~ · 01-12-2016, 12:42 PM

Yeah, I agree with those who've stated that it's basically the same thing that happened in the SAINW episode of the 4Kids series. Whether it be an alternate timeline or an alternate universe. In both cases, our Splinter lives.

10-08-2015, 05:37 PM	#1
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	The only universe where Shredder succesfully kills Splinter In 30 years of TMNT history, this is the only universe where Shredder actually successfully killed Splinter. The other closest would be IDW, where Shredder kills Hamato Yoshi in Feudal Japan before he's resurrected, but he never killed him again in his mutated Splinter form. Mirage: Shredder kills Yoshi, but Splinter trains the Turtles to kill Shredder. Original movies: Shredder kills Yoshi, but Splinter himself "kills" Shredder, or so we think until TMNT II. Super Shredder killed by his own hand. Original cartoon: Obviously neither Shredder nor Splinter kill each other. Shredder is still stranded in Dimension X by the end of the show. 4kids: Shredder kills Yoshi, again Splinter and the Turtles defeat Ch'rell afterward many times and into Turtles Forever. Archie: Shredder goes insane during, "Year of the Turtle." IDW: Shredder kills Yoshi, he comes back as Splinter centuries later. Nick: Shredder kills Splinter Its 30 years in the making.

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CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy Annalist Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 16,435	Wow, that Nick would be the ones to make it happen... good observation, both of you guys! __________________ *ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED*

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Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,710	Yeah.... whenever they do turn back time and reset this..... Shredder killing Splinter will be sort of an alternate reality. A reality where the Triceratons blew up planet Earth and end of story. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

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shredder orokusaki Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Japan Posts: 1,522	I killled Splinter! They can not save him! MUAHHAHAHH __________________ I AM THE SHREDDER!!!!!

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ssjup81 Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Central Virginia (Back in the US) Posts: 4,734	I find it ironic that this occurred with a Nick show. Mind blown. lol

10-09-2015, 12:46 AM	#4
Blackeyedsonic Hero of möbius and Earth Join Date: May 2014 Location: Green hill Posts: 2,262	Ill wait to see if it sticks before I get excited

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Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	Didn't splinter die in 2k3 "same as it never was"? By shredder right?

01-09-2016, 06:07 PM	#14
Speedy Cerviche Random Punk Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Little Tokyo Posts: 38	Maybe it should be more along the lines of the Nick show was the first to kill Splinter "onscreen".

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Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,956	A bump for semantics...

01-12-2016, 12:42 PM	#20
~~ABrown~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,831	Yeah, I agree with those who've stated that it's basically the same thing that happened in the SAINW episode of the 4Kids series. Whether it be an alternate timeline or an alternate universe. In both cases, our Splinter lives.