Official TMNT 2 Trailer Discussion

[THGhost]

Anybody got any other directors in mind who should be directing TMNT instead? Brad Bird, for example?

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I really hope so... so far, everybody involved is saying the right things, criticising the right things from the first movie, and pointing the finger in (some of the) right directions.

Please, Green... make us proud.



Yeah, and a good majority of diehard Trekkies (like myself) will tell you JJ Abrams totally fvcked up Star Trek. His movies sucked, and the third one will be no different.

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Why did the movies suck?

I know nothing about Star Trek, but I do know that JJ's Star Trek movies were well-received.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Powder

Steve Barron did his research. Read all the graphic novels. Above & beyond, his efforts.

I dunno a thing about Dave Green, but with him having said one of the biggest issues with the first flick was it's lack of heart (particularly with the turtles) I have to think he knows a little something. 'Cause the core of what makes the series so good is their family dynamic, their emotional conflicts, etc.

Yeah, I'm hoping that, as long as his hands were not tied, he's been able to pull off a more impressive job - esp considering the guy is still building his own 'resume' and career, he needs to have good work under his belt.

And it's nice IMO to bring someone in who was also on the outside looking in for the first film, and wouldn't have the butthurt emotional attachment to criticism over it and able to acknowledge it's shortcomings.

[TigerClaw]

I liked JJ Abrams Star Trek films, What he did with them made it work, by setting it in an alternate reality, so that the primary reality still exist.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Sigh. That's a sizeable monologue and I really don't want to derail this thread. But I'd be more than willing to take it to a separate thread or PM. Is there an Abramsverse Trek thread on the 'Drome already?

There's probably some Star Trek thread in the TV section. I'm pretty sure we had a movie review thread for the last movie, if you can find it.

[THGhost]

I believe one of these threads should suffice - http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sea...archid=1097712

[pennydreadful]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

But 7' bulletproof Turtles is the most WTF idea Michael Bay ever had.

FTFY.

I wonder if the bulletproof plastrons are another thing that ended up on the retcon pile?

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by pennydreadful

FTFY.

I wonder if the bulletproof plastrons are another thing that ended up on the retcon pile?

Nice to see you weighing in on this thread. And yeah, they are bulletproof. Especially Raph.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by pennydreadful

FTFY.

I wonder if the bulletproof plastrons are another thing that ended up on the retcon pile?

Lets hope.

I find it a bit odd that the guys are (or were) bulletproof yet... have battle scars to their shells. How the...

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Galactus

Now that we have Casey Jones we don't even need him as someone to drive and talk to April.

...god, the idea that that's all this Casey will be around for is as depressing as it is likely accurate.

Originally Posted by Galactus

Liebesman was supposed to be a fan.

I never really thought he was quite the uber fan he portrayed himself as but understood that for the purpose of promoting the movie he really had to say he was but I do believe he had a sincere desire to make a movie fans wanted he was just stymied by the good folks at Platinum Dunes.

You don't have to be a huge fan to make a good TMNT movie. Steve Barron hadn't even hard of it and he made the best one of all. It merely requires that you get and have enough clout to stand up to Bay and co and not just make their vision.

Yep. I "get" why the PD team is trying to throw him under the bus, because they're all covering their own asses and he's an easy scapegoat. But that's just them trying to frame their own narrative and dodge responsibility for a movie that disappointed a lot of people. Don't buy it -- that movie's problems stemmed from every single step of the creative process, starting long before he was hired. As bad a job as he did, it's not all on him, not by a long shot. And everyone else who dropped the ball last time is still involved in this one.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Pics of Splinter from the trailer, he looks so different.

https://41.media.tumblr.com/cf6fd80f...fylio1_540.jpg

Is Splinter floating in mid air?

https://40.media.tumblr.com/5af0077f...fylio2_540.jpg

https://41.media.tumblr.com/38e8329d...fylio3_540.jpg

Originally Posted by TheJ-manTurtleMan

It kinda looks like he's balancing on his tail.

Just watched it again and yes, he is balancing on his tail.

[Zak The Neutrino]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I really hope so... so far, everybody involved is saying the right things, criticising the right things from the first movie, and pointing the finger in (some of the) right directions.

Please, Green... make us proud.



Yeah, and a good majority of diehard Trekkies (like myself) will tell you JJ Abrams totally fvcked up Star Trek. His movies sucked, and the third one will be no different.

I am too but JJ's movies didn't suck. If you look at them on their own they are good. However no one liked how he slapped the fans in the face. Sort of what we have with these movies except even looking past the story screw up these movies are still steaming piles of dung.

Most people that aren't hardcore Trek fans enjoyed the two movies.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by Matt2310

did you not watch the first one? when he talked about shredder taking him in when he had no one in japan? so technically yes it would

Technically no it wouldn't. Like I said unless Shredder officially adopted Sacks, technically any bother/son he had would not be Sacks' sibling.

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

We've seen Platinum Dunes not do right by 80's cartoon/comic franchises not once, not twice, but FIVE times already: Transformers 1-4 and TMNT.

Platinum Dunes didn't do the Transformers films.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Is anyone bothered with the fact this movie seems too light in tone? That's probably the only thing I might have with this trailer.

[Technogeek29]

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

Is anyone bothered with the fact this movie seems too light in tone? That's probably the only thing I might have with this trailer.

It's an OT fans dream come true~ All we need is weird Pizza toppings and we did it.

[Bry]

WARNING: INCOMING CYNICISM

This is just another movie from the house that Bay built. They make movies directed in an overly-busy “stylized” way (though never for an actual creative reason), with lots of BOOM-BOOM-‘SPLODE, a little T&A teasing, a complete lack of subtlety, and humour aimed directly at pre-teen boys. They’re movies best followed by chugging a can of Mountain Dew and playing some Call of Duty. That’s the Michael Bay/Platinum Dunes house style, and it’s applied to everything they touch. The actual concepts/stories they’re adapting are made to bend over backwards to match that house style, no matter how poor a fit it is. It’s just what they do. And it’s all they do.

You asked for a decent Ninja Turtles movie and you got Transformers 6. But no, by all means, throw your money at this one too and hope for the best next time. I’m sure they’ll get it right next time.

[Zak The Neutrino]

Originally Posted by Bry

WARNING: INCOMING CYNICISM

This is just another movie from the house that Bay built. They make movies directed in an overly-busy “stylized” way (though never for an actual creative reason), with lots of BOOM-BOOM-‘SPLODE, a little T&A teasing, a complete lack of subtlety, and humour aimed directly at pre-teen boys. They’re movies best followed by chugging a can of Mountain Dew and playing some Call of Duty. That’s the Michael Bay/Platinum Dunes house style, and it’s applied to everything they touch. The actual concepts/stories they’re adapting are made to bend over backwards to match that house style, no matter how poor a fit it is. It’s just what they do. And it’s all they do.

You asked for a decent Ninja Turtles movie and you got Transformers 6. But no, by all means, throw your money at this one too and hope for the best next time. I’m sure they’ll get it right next time.

Oh come on leave the Dew out of this. The rest of this I agree with.

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by Bry

WARNING: INCOMING CYNICISM

This is just another movie from the house that Bay built. They make movies directed in an overly-busy “stylized” way (though never for an actual creative reason), with lots of BOOM-BOOM-‘SPLODE, a little T&A teasing, a complete lack of subtlety, and humour aimed directly at pre-teen boys. They’re movies best followed by chugging a can of Mountain Dew and playing some Call of Duty. That’s the Michael Bay/Platinum Dunes house style, and it’s applied to everything they touch. The actual concepts/stories they’re adapting are made to bend over backwards to match that house style, no matter how poor a fit it is. It’s just what they do. And it’s all they do.

You asked for a decent Ninja Turtles movie and you got Transformers 6. But no, by all means, throw your money at this one too and hope for the best next time. I’m sure they’ll get it right next time.

Platinum Dunes doesn't do the Transformers movies.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Platinum Dunes doesn't do the Transformers movies.

I didn't say they did. But Michael Bay does, and Platinum Dunes is his production company. And he's the big boss on these movies.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Xav

Technically no it wouldn't. Like I said unless Shredder officially adopted Sacks, technically any bother/son he had would not be Sacks' sibling.
Platinum Dunes didn't do the Transformers films.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platinum_Dunes

"Platinum Dunes is an American production company created in November 2001 by filmmakers Michael Bay, Brad Fuller,[1] and Andrew Form.[2]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bay_filmography

Michael Bay partnered with his two collaborators to form Platinum Dunes. The other two guys do horror; Bay does 80's toy/comic movies.

Bay did all four Transformers movies.

MICHAEL BAY / PLATINUM DUNES did the Transformers movies and the TMNT movies. Differentiating between the man himself and the film company he created is splitting hairs.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

There's probably some Star Trek thread in the TV section. I'm pretty sure we had a movie review thread for the last movie, if you can find it.

Eh, I thought about it, but I don't want to write up a huge post so I'll basically throw it out here and let the chips (or tangential conversations) fall where they may... screw it.

Basically, Star Wars and Star Trek are the two most definitive and well-known science fiction franchises. Star Wars heavily explores the themes and tropes present in Eastern philosophy and stories (connecting with the power of the universe, letting it flow through you, spiritual monks fighting oppressive imperial forces, etc. In fact, the original Star Wars is heavily derived from a Japanese film called "The Hidden Fortress". (Which I've seen... it's pretty interesting.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hidden_Fortress

Star Trek, conversely, is heavily based in Western philosophy and themes: science, evolution, the continual improvement, sophistication, and exploration of mankind, solving society's problems through cultural evolution, etc. The original concept was "Wagon Train to the Stars", as declared by Gene Roddenberry.

Star Trek is not an action franchise, but a science franchise. It explores humanity and its foibles, how far it has come and yet how much further it still can go. The movies never did as well as the TV series because movies can't explore the themes that a cumulative 28 seasons could. Even Deep Space Nine is Star Trek, because it flips everything on its head and looks at the reverse: that utopia has to be fought for, that war is inevitable, that men and women sacrifice and compromise, and that sometimes, we choose to sacrifice freedom for protection.

The original ten movies tried their best to continue the legacy of the shows. Even when they were actiony, they heavily examined things like growing old and the inevitability of death (Generations), coping with trauma and a desire for revenge while moving beyond your pain and loss (First Contact), that waging peace is sometimes much harder than waging war (The Undiscovered Country), etc. The movies don't always succeed, but the spirit is always there.