Official TMNT 2 Trailer Discussion - Page 48

d_osborn · 12-31-2015, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I don't think I have the energy to go through life with the requisite blinders on that kind of lifestyle would require, frankly. I read and go outside and watch TV. I'm going to see and hear things about the things I like to see and watch, that's just the way it is.

I mean avoiding the "Next Week On..." previews doesn't even make any sense, as the entire purpose for their existence is for enticement, same thing with movie trailers. They give you a taste of the ice cream so you come back and buy the whole tub. That's the whole point. Ignoring them kind of gives the finger to people who went to the trouble of making them, I feel.

People are f*cking goofy if seeing 30 seconds of an hour-long show, or two minutes out of a 2-hour movie, "ruins" it for them. I honestly feel bad for them, if their life is so mundane that all of their kicks depend on seeing movies and TV shows "fresh", and a teaser trailer of all things can ruin the entire experience. That's entirely the opposite of why they're made. "I've seen too much, I can't get into it now"? That's a personal choice, and a poor one. You miss a lot of good things in life if you go about it that way.

I mean, whatever, it's their hang-up. Glad I don't know those people, we'd have absolutely nothing to talk about.

I don't exactly see these generally well-rounded, professional people being wrestling fans, so you're probably right on that one.

You made some pretty extreme, broad generalizations. It doesn't ruin anything for me (or anyone I know), but it is slightly annoying if you enjoy seeing things with a blank slate-- fresh set of eyes looking up at a massive 98' screen illuminated by a VERY EXPENSIVE 4K projector and sound system. Why would I need/want to be enticed to watch something if I already know I want to watch it? If I want to view it fresh, why not just avoid watching all of the available content, most of which is developed with really cool money shots and plot points? Afterall, it's pretty easy to change the channel, pause the stream, or not click on the Youtube video.

The teams that create trailers, TV spots, and promo marketing elements have far less time/resources to create something (often/hopefully) as creative and entertaining as the content they market. This isn't giving the finger to the people that make them-- I work with those people daily.

How exactly would one miss a lot of good things in life by turning off a show before promos or not watching a trailer on Youtube? Live, love, friends, family, art, good food and drink, travel, excellent music... or are you thinking of other good things in life.

~~Leo656~~ · 12-31-2015, 01:02 AM

I'm simply saying, if you can't fully enjoy something, be it a movie, a book, whatever, because you know some of it beforehand, that's mostly a personal choice and I think it's over-stressing things enormously and those people need to relax. For example, if someone told me that they couldn't get into Star Wars because they'd once upon a time overheard someone say that Vader was Luke's father, and decided that any future Star Wars experience was "tainted" now for them because they'd accidentally acquired that knowledge against their will... I might very well slap them. I'd consider it, at the least.

Thankfully, most people don't care THAT much, to the point they treat trailers and advertisements or "spoilers" about things everyone already knows like they're poison. Avoiding all those things seems like an enormous amount of work for an entirely arbitrary decision made by the end-user that they can't "really" enjoy something if they know too much about it beforehand. "I'm aware of 1%! The remaining 99% is ruined!"

Illogical.

I'm fully understanding of delaying gratification and things like that but there's no logic in the attitude that a thing is now somehow worthless, or even worth less, because you caught a glimpse of it already. It's like those types care nothing for the actual gifts they're given, they only like tearing off the sparkly new wrapping paper and that's it, the rest is an afterthought. Well, that part of the experience fades, so making it the utmost important thing just seems rather silly.

d_osborn · 12-31-2015, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

I'm simply saying, if you can't fully enjoy something, be it a movie, a book, whatever, because you know some of it beforehand, that's mostly a personal choice and I think it's over-stressing things enormously and those people need to relax. For example, if someone told me that they couldn't get into Star Wars because they'd once upon a time overheard someone say that Vader was Luke's father, and decided that any future Star Wars experience was "tainted" now for them because they'd accidentally acquired that knowledge against their will... I might very well slap them. I'd consider it, at the least.

Thankfully, most people don't care THAT much, to the point they treat trailers and advertisements or "spoilers" about things everyone already knows like they're poison. Avoiding all those things seems like an enormous amount of work for an entirely arbitrary decision made by the end-user that they can't "really" enjoy something if they know too much about it beforehand. "I'm aware of 1%! The remaining 99% is ruined!"

Illogical.

I'm fully understanding of delaying gratification and things like that but there's no logic in the attitude that a thing is now somehow worthless, or even worth less, because you caught a glimpse of it already. It's like those types care nothing for the actual gifts they're given, they only like tearing off the sparkly new wrapping paper and that's it, the rest is an afterthought. Well, that part of the experience fades, so making it the utmost important thing just seems rather silly.

You seem to be talking about a pretty extreme circumstance. Again, broad generalizations. I'm sure people like that exist, but I haven't really seen anything like that mentioned in this thread, aside from what you just brought up. Just because someone tries to avoid spoilers doesn't mean that they don't enjoy the film if they see a trailer. It doesn't mean the experience is ruined if something is spoiled. Not even close. For myself and the people I know that avoid spoilers (and I'm guessing most avoiders in general), it's a mild annoyance that's easily avoidable that just so happens to improve the experience.

"Avoiding all those things seems like an enormous amount of work..."
Eh, not really. Like I said, avoid online articles, don't click Youtube trailers, change channels before the show promo. It's not hard at all. Fairly simple, in fact. I'm not sure where you're getting that avoiding spoilers is in any way difficult.

Frankly, I think it's odd when people actively seek out things, but hey... different strokes.

*THGhost* · 12-31-2015, 04:42 PM

Sometimes that 1% can ruin everything. Like who Keyser Soze is, for example.

~~Leo656~~ · 12-31-2015, 04:44 PM

There IS no Keyser Soze!

*THGhost* · 12-31-2015, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

There IS no Keyser Soze!

There IS no ****ing coke!

~~Leo656~~ · 12-31-2015, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by THGhost

There IS no ****ing coke!

From the looks of JakeSully's rampage in the GD section, not anymore there isn't!

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 12-31-2015, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

From the looks of JakeSully's rampage in the GD section, not anymore there isn't!

THAT explains it.

*THGhost* · 12-31-2015, 07:25 PM

*ToTheNines* · 01-01-2016, 09:33 PM

Been a lot of coke references around here lately.

*Jephael* · 01-02-2016, 01:09 AM

Leo, you would've hated my college pal John. We were both major fans of Smallville and I always loved reading episode spoilers on Kryptonsite.com, but all he wanted to do was speculate what might happen, and heaven forbid if I told him something I already knew, especially when it came to Lana (who he was sure was gonna die in season 7)

~~Commenter 42~~ · 01-02-2016, 03:43 AM

I don't think it's as bad as it used to be, but a few years ago, I swear three of four blockbuster films had shots from the last 10 minutes of the film. I don't see the point of that, at all. The trailer showed the begining, middle and end, complete with narration...and they wonder why pirating was such a big thing...

There's something to be said for the first trailer, possibly the second. You want a little tease... and the second trailer, I've made up my mind.

SW though, man - in the 30 minute pre-show, they must have run 15 commercials using footage from the movie we were about to see.

Annoying - just a smidge.

~~Etsyturtle2~~ · 01-02-2016, 10:58 AM

Lulz

*Galactus* · 01-02-2016, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Commenter 42

There's something to be said for the first trailer, possibly the second.

Wherever you stand on the issue I don't think this particular movie could afford the slow burn with trailers.

They're openly admitting that the first was bad and are giving the hard sell that the sequel will be very different. This is the first film in a series and a too sizable a portion of people walked out the theatre very disappointed for them to take on faith they'll be back. They had to hit to hit them with the biggest nostalgia bait the franchise has and needed to do it a soon a possible.

Far be it for me to praise the decision makers behind these movies but they did the right thing here. Heck there's still a lot of people who are complaining about the lack or Krang and the Technodrome as if the trailer didn't strongly hint them so I don't think much has been spoiled.

Plus you'll have the rivetting origin of Casey as a corrections officer and Vern as the hero of the city to look forward to seeing unspoiled.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 01-02-2016, 06:05 PM

"Alright! More of that funny guy from... something. Will Barnett or what's his face."

... said the single homeless alcoholic who had snuck into the theater and absolutely not one true TMNT fan ever.

~~Leo656~~ · 01-03-2016, 05:38 PM

Whew, looks like 42's feelings were a little too "real" for the forum.

For what it's worth I thought his reaction was pretty fair. Maybe a little tame. He probably under-sold it.

*Galactus* · 01-03-2016, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Whew, looks like 42's feelings were a little too "real" for the forum.

For what it's worth I thought his reaction was pretty fair. Maybe a little tame. He probably under-sold it.

Where did it go???

~~Leo656~~ · 01-03-2016, 07:00 PM

Machias was on an hour ago, I assume she removed it.

You'll notice all the other "profanity" posts are also gone. Which is a shame. People were showing some real creativity.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 01-03-2016, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Machias was on an hour ago, I assume she removed it.

You'll notice all the other "profanity" posts are also gone. Which is a shame. People were showing some real creativity.

Aw man. I think that's the first time I've ever had a post removed.

I feel like I should paint a little drome on my fighterplane's tail. Fighting the good fight in the digital skies above Burnow Island!

~~Leo656~~ · 01-03-2016, 08:18 PM

On the one hand, there's the "kids might see it" argument.

Then there's the stronger, more logical argument of "kids don't belong on the internet in the first place, so it shouldn't matter," and nobody's ever been able to successfully counter that one. They just say "think of the children!" and advocate censorship among grown adults simply talking the way adults talk.

Ah well.

12-31-2015, 04:42 PM	#944
THGhost Puppet Master Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: UK Posts: 2,825	Sometimes that 1% can ruin everything. Like who Keyser Soze is, for example. __________________ - - - 1990 > OotS > TMNT 2014 > Turtles Forever > TMNT III > SotO > TMNT 2007 "Can't we all just get along?" - pennydreadful "...bitchy people are what make fan forums insufferable when they don't need to be." - B-Man "Act like freakin' adults for goodness sake." - Jester "Tough guys with tiny voices." - Commenter 42

12-31-2015, 07:25 PM	#949
THGhost Puppet Master Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: UK Posts: 2,825	__________________ - - - 1990 > OotS > TMNT 2014 > Turtles Forever > TMNT III > SotO > TMNT 2007 "Can't we all just get along?" - pennydreadful "...bitchy people are what make fan forums insufferable when they don't need to be." - B-Man "Act like freakin' adults for goodness sake." - Jester "Tough guys with tiny voices." - Commenter 42

01-02-2016, 01:09 AM	#951
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	Leo, you would've hated my college pal John. We were both major fans of Smallville and I always loved reading episode spoilers on Kryptonsite.com, but all he wanted to do was speculate what might happen, and heaven forbid if I told him something I already knew, especially when it came to Lana (who he was sure was gonna die in season 7) __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

01-02-2016, 06:05 PM	#955
CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy Annalist Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 16,435	"Alright! More of that funny guy from... something. Will Barnett or what's his face." ... said the single homeless alcoholic who had snuck into the theater and absolutely not one true TMNT fan ever. __________________ *ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED*

12-31-2015, 01:02 AM	#942
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I'm simply saying, if you can't fully enjoy something, be it a movie, a book, whatever, because you know some of it beforehand, that's mostly a personal choice and I think it's over-stressing things enormously and those people need to relax. For example, if someone told me that they couldn't get into Star Wars because they'd once upon a time overheard someone say that Vader was Luke's father, and decided that any future Star Wars experience was "tainted" now for them because they'd accidentally acquired that knowledge against their will... I might very well slap them. I'd consider it, at the least. Thankfully, most people don't care THAT much, to the point they treat trailers and advertisements or "spoilers" about things everyone already knows like they're poison. Avoiding all those things seems like an enormous amount of work for an entirely arbitrary decision made by the end-user that they can't "really" enjoy something if they know too much about it beforehand. "I'm aware of 1%! The remaining 99% is ruined!" Illogical. I'm fully understanding of delaying gratification and things like that but there's no logic in the attitude that a thing is now somehow worthless, or even worth less, because you caught a glimpse of it already. It's like those types care nothing for the actual gifts they're given, they only like tearing off the sparkly new wrapping paper and that's it, the rest is an afterthought. Well, that part of the experience fades, so making it the utmost important thing just seems rather silly.

12-31-2015, 04:44 PM	#945
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	There IS no Keyser Soze!

01-01-2016, 09:33 PM	#950
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,373	Been a lot of coke references around here lately.

01-02-2016, 03:43 AM	#952
~~Commenter 42~~ Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 3,954	I don't think it's as bad as it used to be, but a few years ago, I swear three of four blockbuster films had shots from the last 10 minutes of the film. I don't see the point of that, at all. The trailer showed the begining, middle and end, complete with narration...and they wonder why pirating was such a big thing... There's something to be said for the first trailer, possibly the second. You want a little tease... and the second trailer, I've made up my mind. SW though, man - in the 30 minute pre-show, they must have run 15 commercials using footage from the movie we were about to see. Annoying - just a smidge.

01-02-2016, 10:58 AM	#953
~~Etsyturtle2~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: stuff Posts: 1,721	Lulz

01-03-2016, 05:38 PM	#956
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Whew, looks like 42's feelings were a little too "real" for the forum. For what it's worth I thought his reaction was pretty fair. Maybe a little tame. He probably under-sold it.

01-03-2016, 07:00 PM	#958
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Machias was on an hour ago, I assume she removed it. You'll notice all the other "profanity" posts are also gone. Which is a shame. People were showing some real creativity.

01-03-2016, 08:18 PM	#960
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	On the one hand, there's the "kids might see it" argument. Then there's the stronger, more logical argument of "kids don't belong on the internet in the first place, so it shouldn't matter," and nobody's ever been able to successfully counter that one. They just say "think of the children!" and advocate censorship among grown adults simply talking the way adults talk. Ah well.