Official TMNT 2 Trailer Discussion

[Commenter 42]

I felt I was speaking for fans everywhere; people like to report me.

Maybe I should take up the mantle of most hated? I'm up there for sure.

Originally Posted by Leo656

On the one hand, there's the "kids might see it" argument.

Then there's the stronger, more logical argument of "kids don't belong on the internet in the first place, so it shouldn't matter," and nobody's ever been able to successfully counter that one. They just say "think of the children!" and advocate censorship among grown adults simply talking the way adults talk.

Ah well.

All I know is, if they're not cursing by the age of three, they're not my kids. That's my paternity test anyways...

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

I felt I was speaking for fans everywhere; people like to report me.

Maybe I should take up the mantle of most hated? I'm up there for sure.

I think I have to die first. I forget if it has to be by your hand, specifically, or if you just have to eat my brain/heart and absorb my wisdom and life essence, and the cause of death is inconsequential.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Maybe I should take up the mantle of most hated? I'm up there for sure.

Hey. Hey. The throne's mine.

[Leo656]

Well, this just got interesting.

If I'm the Highlander I imagine Powder to be the Kurrgan.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Maybe I should take up the mantle of most hated? I'm up there for sure.

Originally Posted by Powder

Hey. Hey. The throne's mine.

Don't mess with the throne of Powder.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Dammit, too many people adore me. Why can't I be villified!?

[Leo656]

The trick is to say you're prejudiced against all races.

Also helpful for getting out of jury duty.

[THGhost]

We all knew this already but, Krang has been confirmed.

[Commenter 42]

"They start with Ninja Turtles animation. Pablo Helman, a visual-effects supervisor who worked on the Star Wars prequels, appears onscreen and shows Bay the latest version of Krang, a new-to-the-movies villain who is, essentially, a disembodied brain inside a giant robot. "So we've eliminated the tentacles," Helman explains. "Is it too monster-ish?"

"He could have some tentacles," says Bay. "I just don't want them coming out of the side. He looks like a stupid octopus."



....

[THGhost]

Yeah. He does have a point though. You can't give him too much tentacles, because then he really would look like an octopus. Keep the tentacles short.

[d_osborn]

Yeah, I don't get all of the complaining I've seen on the article. It sounds like the right direction.

...and why the bold on the SW prequel bit? There were a bunch of VERY talented people that worked on the prequels. Just because Lucas dropped the ball doesn't mean that everyone associated with the films is a shoddy artist.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by d_osborn

Yeah, I don't get all of the complaining I've seen on the article. It sounds like the right direction.

...and why the bold on the SW prequel bit? There were a bunch of VERY talented people that worked on the prequels. Just because Lucas dropped the ball doesn't mean that everyone associated with the films is a shoddy artist.

True, a lot of the people that worked on the prequels are very talented VFX artists, having them on board is a plus.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by d_osborn

Yeah, I don't get all of the complaining I've seen on the article. It sounds like the right direction.

...and why the bold on the SW prequel bit? There were a bunch of VERY talented people that worked on the prequels. Just because Lucas dropped the ball doesn't mean that everyone associated with the films is a shoddy artist.

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

True, a lot of the people that worked on the prequels are very talented VFX artists, having them on board is a plus.

I was gonna point that out too. Glad I'm not the only one seeing the bigger picture.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by THGhost

I was gonna point that out too. Glad I'm not the only one seeing the bigger picture.

I think its great having people who worked on Star Wars movies, and working on a movie like this.

[Powder]

Maybe the point is that they're wasting their talents.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by THGhost

I was gonna point that out too. Glad I'm not the only one seeing the bigger picture.

What a surprise, defenders of PDMT are prequel apologists.

And yeah, some talented folks worked on the prequels, and some talented folks worked on PDMT; My point is, it's the same guy in charge of the VFX again, and that's hardly a plus in anyones books mate. I wasn't thrilled by his previous work, or his work history.
BTW d_osborne - I'm all for supporting the industry, but just working in VFX doesn't exonerate them from the crimes against the franchise, or exempt them from my wrath. I too work in the industry, like you, so easy with the hero worship/VFX solidarity; there's a time and place.

[d_osborn]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

BTW d_osborne - I'm all for supporting the industry, but just working in VFX doesn't exonerate them from the crimes against the franchise, or exempt them from my wrath. I too work in the industry, like you, so easy with the hero worship/VFX solidarity; there's a time and place.

Guilt by association, huh? I'm sure there are/were some subpar artists and craftspeople at ILM, but for the most part, it's one of the top FX houses in the industry. From what I can tell, they don't make a habit of hiring subpar talent. We're lucky to have ILM on the TMNT movies. It's come a long way since B-talent comedians with green face paint.

Lucas and the other above-line producers are squarely to blame for the prequels. Even on TMNT, unless I'm mistaken, the VFX supervisor had nothing to do with the approval or direction of character designs-- which is what seems to be the biggest beef here. The animation in the first PD TMNT movie wasn't bad at all... actually pretty cool in some scenes! Not bad considering they reshot the movie twice. There's no telling what kind of crazy post-schedule the FX team was under.

Hero worship and VFX solidarity is a bit of stretch. Working in the industry, you should be able to tell what works and what doesn't in a project. I'm not a PD defender... there are some BIG issues with the first movie, and I'm sure the second will be no different. You may have beef with the character design, script, production design, casting, etc., but why bring down the stuff that worked? MOST of the animation and VFX tech in the first movie looked pretty awesome for what could be called a second-tier tentpole film with a notorious budget-minded producer.

Then again, nothing I say will stop the rage that is The Technodrome Forums. Keep it up, guys. I was annoyed at first a few years ago, but it's gotten to be pretty entertaining.

[THGhost]

They made good VFX, they no doubt will do again. Sounds fine to me.

Btw, I don't even know what a "prequel apologist" is.

Originally Posted by d_osborn

Even on TMNT, unless I'm mistaken, the VFX supervisor had nothing to do with the approval or direction of character designs-- which is what seems to be the biggest beef here. The animation in the first PD TMNT movie wasn't bad at all... actually pretty cool in some scenes! Not bad considering they reshot the movie twice. There's no telling what kind of crazy post-schedule the FX team was under.

This.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by THGhost

They made good VFX, they no doubt will do again. Sounds fine to me.

Btw, I don't even know what a "prequel apologist" is.

People who claim that Star Wars Episodes I, II, and III were anything less than the cinematic equivalent of disease-riddled canine offal.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by THGhost

They made good VFX, they no doubt will do again. Sounds fine to me.

Btw, I don't even know what a "prequel apologist" is.

It's what the prequel haters are calling them, believe it or not, there are people who enjoyed the prequels, some people's first experience was the prequels and they enjoyed those. Star Wars has a huge divide among the fans. you got your original trilogy lovers, you got your prequel trilogy lovers, and they always clash with each other.