Official TMNT 2 Trailer #2 Discussion

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

I'm just gonna ignore all that, since people will argue over anything and jumping off topic.

This coming from the guy who posted an episode from the OT when it's against forum policy.

And at least I don't blindly defend stuff just because I'm a fan.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

This coming from the guy who posted an episode from the OT when it's against forum policy.

And at least I don't blindly defend stuff just because I'm a fan.

If you were a fan of something, you would defend it to, that's what fans do right? they defend the things they love.

Anyways, enough of that stuff since this is going off topic.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

If you were a fan of something, you would defend it to, that's what fans do right?

See, that line of thinking right there is exactly where lies the difference between you and me, Tiger.

I defend what's considered to be GOOD.

You defend practically everything, no matter how many flaws it has.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

See, that line of thinking right there is exactly where lies the difference between you and me, Tiger.

I defend what's considered to be GOOD.

You defend practically everything, no matter how many flaws it has.

These so called flaws are a matter of one's opinion, what you describe as flaws, aren't flaws to anyone else, this is why the fandom is split.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

These so called flaws are a matter of one's opinion, what you describe as flaws, aren't flaws to anyone else, this is why the fandom is split.

Well I'd love to stick around and chat, but I've got MUCH better things do with my time than go around in circles with you.

So T.T.F.N, KittyClaw.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

I get the feeling you'd defend just about anything related to TMNT no matter how dumb it is.

Seriously, Titan, old bean... we all figured that out years ago.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Seriously, Titan, old bean... we all figured that out years ago.

I must be getting old in my age if I forgot something as obvious as that.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

I must be getting old in my age if I forgot something as obvious as that.

I'll get you your apple juice and pudding, ol' timer...

[IndigoErth]

Flaws are allowed to exist, but they are also allowed to be pointed out and disliked. - what's wrong with that?


This isn't 21st century little league where everyone is coddled and gets a trophy for showing up and trying. Do that and they have no reason to adjust their game plan when they green light a sequel or try harder on something that didn't go so well.

Even if some ideas don't go over so well, to their credit they do seem to be at least trying to show us that they've tried to make some positive changes, like hopefully actually focusing a lot more on the real stars this time. If people didn't complain about that last time, that April hogged the spotlight, it probably would still be all about her again. (Granted trailers can be deceiving, but so far... looks like the Turtles are more center stage.) If there are more, I could at least respect a continued effort to improve on it based on fan, uh, critiques, even if I don't like and support every choice.

[DioLeo451]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Flaws are allowed to exist, but they are also allowed to be pointed out and disliked. - what's wrong with that?


This isn't 21st century little league where everyone is coddled and gets a trophy for showing up and trying. Do that and they have no reason to adjust their game plan when they green light a sequel or try harder on something that didn't go so well.

Even if some ideas don't go over so well, to their credit they do seem to be at least trying to show us that they've tried to make some positive changes, like hopefully actually focusing a lot more on the real stars this time. If people didn't complain about that last time, that April hogged the spotlight, it probably would still be all about her again. (Granted trailers can be deceiving, but so far... looks like the Turtles are more center stage.) If there are more, I could at least respect a continued effort to improve on it based on fan, uh, critiques, even if I don't like and support every choice.

Exactly well said

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

If they went with this human thing, then they should at least be realistic and delve into all the legal ramifications of doing that and suddenly finding themselves as born citizens without any legal documents pertaining to their existence and citizenship. No social security numbers, no birth certificates, no high school diplomas, not much to put on the resume other than being trained in martial arts... Trying to get jobs without those documents, let alone be able to test to get their GED's. Having bills, taxes, etc to worry about... Being human has some serious drawbacks, Turtles; esp new humans who mysteriously have no history of said human life.

No one wants to see that movie. Also, facing those problems still beats spending life in the sewers. Without getting too political, there are COUNTLESS people in America getting by without those documents.

[sethmartin]

They DID NOT draw from that episode! That is one obscure episode that only us die hard fans know about.

Here's my theory...

Due to negative reviews of the last film and the pressure to make it "more like the turtles we know", I think the writers watched the first few episodes of season one of the OT show and said "Ok, we need asian Shredder, Krang, Bebop and Rocksteady, the Technodrome, ninja Foot Clan, and Baxter Stockman.

As well as...

The first season of the show dealt with the turtles trying to turn Splinter human again, but since the filmmakers had already jacked up the origin and omitted Hamato Yoshi, they couldn't go that route. So they said, "hey, lets make the turtles want to become human instead".

Anyone thinking that they did any more research than this is being foolish. I don't know if the movie will be good or not. I'm hoping it is. But it's very clear that the filmmakers want to make their own ninja turtles movie and they think they can do it better than any other version that came before. The saving grace is that these movies make a ton of dough so Paramount will keep making them with or without the current cast and crew. If the movies continue to make major bank but still get negative reviews, Paramount will have no choice but to reboot the series, just like Spider-Man had to.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

If you were a fan of something, you would defend it to, that's what fans do right? they defend the things they love.

Anyways, enough of that stuff since this is going off topic.

If Michael Bay farted in your face, would you defend him?

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Yeah, I got it on DVD bra. I'll never watch it again though

I've rewatched it several times. It's not at all bad, and it ends with April kissing Mikey, so of course I'm gonna keep watching it

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

If they went with this human thing, then they should at least be realistic and delve into all the legal ramifications of doing that and suddenly finding themselves as born citizens without any legal documents pertaining to their existence and citizenship. .

Go to bed Mr. Trump

[ToTheNines]

Obviously the Fred Wolf cartoon always played fast and loose with continuity, but I just can't reconcile how this script got approved. That James A. Davis buffoon obviously never read the series bible.

[Bry]

"The fandom is split because some people won't just eat their garbage with a smile!"



This place sometimes, I swear.

This blind fan loyalty thing. This "I like [Thing], so I have to like and defend every part of [Thing]" mindset. Completely irrational. This property has existed for 32 years. Anything that goes on that long, and through this many iterations and variations, is going to have some awful stuff in the mix. The idea that anyone would actively defend the worst material the property has to offer, even deny it's even bad at all, is just mind-boggling.

Like, I understood wanting to "support the property" when it was independently owned by he creator/creators. That much I get. But it's not anymore. It's part of a massive corporate portfolio now. And they've already made money hand over fist -- more money than any of us can properly conceive of -- out of their investment. Defending the property no matter what doesn't help the Ninja Turtles at this point, it just helps give the executives at Viacom maximum profit for minimal effort.

The corporation doesn't care about the fans. They dont even care about the property, really. They just care about you giving them your money. If you're gonna throw it at them no matter what, then they never, ever have to try harder.

[Shred Head]

Just watched the trailer and ugh this movie just keeps pissing me off. Hey a new Purple mutagen that mutates humans nice little nod to the 80's show. Then they **** it up by saying it turns mutants into humans. Mutants who where never humans to begin with nor have any human DNA in them. I always hated when the shows forgot the rules to the stuff and turned the Ooze into magic powder that does anything because **** it they need it to. That always bugged me even as a kid.

Only good thing I can think of in this trailer was that the Turtles themselves are the ones featured in it but I do wonder if the movie really will have that much Turtle time as the ads are trying to make. I mean **** this movie has to introduce Casey Jones, Bebop and Rocksteady Baxter Stockman and reintroduce the Shredder, Karai, and the Foot Clan because they ****ed it up the first time. On top of all that Dimension X invasion and Technodrome fight with Krang. Baman V Superman couldn't handle all the sub plots and characters it was trying to pack into it and this movie seems to have even more then it did. That with a run time that is probably in tuned with most kids movies. i dont see how this wont be a disaster like the last one.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Originally Posted by sethmartin

If the movies continue to make major bank but still get negative reviews, Paramount will have no choice but to reboot the series, just like Spider-Man had to.

If only, this IS Bay we're talking about. Transformers has yet to get a reboot.

[Chabrendeki]

Originally Posted by Shred Head

Just watched the trailer and ugh this movie just keeps pissing me off. Hey a new Purple mutagen that mutates humans nice little nod to the 80's show. Then they **** it up by saying it turns mutants into humans. Mutants who where never humans to begin with nor have any human DNA in them. I always hated when the shows forgot the rules to the stuff and turned the Ooze into magic powder that does anything because **** it they need it to. That always bugged me even as a kid.

Only good thing I can think of in this trailer was that the Turtles themselves are the ones featured in it but I do wonder if the movie really will have that much Turtle time as the ads are trying to make. I mean **** this movie has to introduce Casey Jones, Bebop and Rocksteady Baxter Stockman and reintroduce the Shredder, Karai, and the Foot Clan because they ****ed it up the first time. On top of all that Dimension X invasion and Technodrome fight with Krang. Baman V Superman couldn't handle all the sub plots and characters it was trying to pack into it and this movie seems to have even more then it did. That with a run time that is probably in tuned with most kids movies. i dont see how this wont be a disaster like the last one.

I agree with you completely.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Shred Head

Just watched the trailer and ugh this movie just keeps pissing me off. Hey a new Purple mutagen that mutates humans nice little nod to the 80's show. Then they **** it up by saying it turns mutants into humans. Mutants who where never humans to begin with nor have any human DNA in them. I always hated when the shows forgot the rules to the stuff and turned the Ooze into magic powder that does anything because **** it they need it to. That always bugged me even as a kid.

Yep, I'm with you. Even if a concept is "silly" it should still have its own internal logic. Even if some elements of the world are wholly fictional or fantastic, how they work needs some structure and consistency. World-building depends on it. If their world has no rules, nothing really matters, and it's much harder to become invested in it.

Originally Posted by LeotheLateBloomer

If only, this IS Bay we're talking about. Transformers has yet to get a reboot.

Yep. See, if these were treated like any other comic/"geek" properties, there'd be more scrutiny, I think. There's at least an effort to tell good stories and build engaging characters with most of those properties, and when they fall short, the producers are more likely to listen to the criticisms. With this, like Transformers, the producers are treating it like a dumb toy commercial, and giving its story and characters that level of care. Nobody involved is interested in doing anything more than that, which means the only thing that can change the course of this ship is if it falls short financially.