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i love the trailer. movie looks to be badass. the whole human thing i'm not pissed because there was an episode of mikey in the original episode who turn human from anti-mutagen. i figured thats where they got that from, sort of a nod to it.
definitely gonna see this on opening day with my chick. can't tell you how excited to see this movie. as megan fox stated, 'more turtle focus' and less human focus. i hope this is true. sometimes it feels surreal that we're gonna get bebop and rocksteady and krang! its an awesome feeling.
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We know about that episode, it was not a good plot back then either. It's worse here because the second movie in a series made today on a massive budget, should not have to resort to using the same idea as a 30 year old saturday morning cartoon made on a shoestring budget and an absurd time table, especially when it was episode 41.
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but to each his or her own i guess. i just find it stupid to complain over small details instead of enjoying a film for what it is. the first movie had its flaws. but even i know the origin story needs some change after 30 some years of the same story. things needs to be updated, and in 26 years a guy who grew up with this film is gonna remember fondly of these films just as we remeber fondly of the first 3 films. eh.
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So Long, Stinktown!
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In 77 years, how many times has Batman not had his parents murdered in front of him by a criminal, then trained his body and mind to become a vigilante decidated to fighting crime in Gotham City? In 54 years, how often has Spider-Man not been bitten by a radioactive (or genetically altered) spider, only for his uncle to be killed due to his selfish inaction, learning that with great power there must also come great responsibility? ...I can go on. The same origin has worked for those characters, across countless different versions and iterations, for a lot longer than TMNT has existed. And nobody thinks those origins need to change. There's a difference between updating/tweaking the origin and wholesale throwing out the motivating impetus of the characters and their story. Which is exactly what BayTurtles did.
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Change for the sake of change man. That's all it is. There's nothing so wrong with the origin that it needed to be altered so radically.I think even the most devoted supporters of the bay verse would agree
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The fact that they thought a Yoshi/Saki rivalry would be "too complicated" tells you exactly what they think about their audience.
To say nothing about leaving so many movie-breaking plot holes and basic story inconsistencies in the movie without even trying to fix them. Folks should find that insulting, if anything.
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Also the the idea that origin needs changing is the biggest lie Hollywood has ever tried to force on fans of comic book movie proven wrong but the current glut of highly successful comic book movies that stay faithful to the source. Ask yourself a question; Would you dislike a TMNT movie that had a faithful origin? |
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I think it all comes back to the old cartoon going nuts with the origin and everyone loving it. Makes everything seem malleable. Like, if that cartoon can work, what could possibly be sacred? I'm not saying it's the right way to think, but I can understand drawing the conclusion.
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They missed the Tang Shen aspect but not in a way that if they were ever inclined to revisit the origin in greater detail they could add that in if they were inclined just like the '03 show did which initially had just 'Saki' killing Yoshi but later added in the Shen aspect with the A Tale of Master Yoshi episode. |
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Well the biggest flaw with PDTMNT changing the origin is that they still kept things around that no longer make sense. As has been mentioned many times.
Also I can forgive a lot of changes if it makes the movie better, this is definitely not the case for the 2014 movie. Like how the first Burton Batman made Joker the Waynes' killer. That worked for that movie, at least as a confined entity, maybe not for the Batman universe as a whole. Turning Splinter into Yoshi is a good example of how to simplify the origin while still keeping the big strokes intact. Although I assume this was done to remove the deaths of Yoshi and Tang Shen for a younger audience, and not in order to simplify it. Merging Nagi and Saki is another simplification that feels acceptable. |
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Well I'm certainly glad most people are warming to this interpretation of the turtles now that the second film looks like it will be an improvement.
I had my reservations for sure, but it's way more fun when most of us have some level of interest in it rather than taking turns beating it with a baseball bat! (There may yet be plenty of that, we'll see.) |
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Who the hell remembers TMNT III fondly?
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About half of this forum, at the very least.
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What bothered me most about the change to the origin was Splinter's natural disposition to Asian culture.
1) He wasnt the pet of ninja master. 2) He wasnt Hamato Yoshi turned rat. 3) He wasnt the spirit of Hamato Yoshi reincarnated as a rat. Nothing about him connected him in any way to asian culture, and somehow he ended up donning the 'persona' as it were, in dress at least, long before he discovered the ridiculous 'Ninja for Dummies' book in the sewers. Ive been on these forums for quite some time, and have defended the reboot on more than several occasions, but certain things, like the origin change I cannot understand, nor defend. Clearly, Eric Sachs was always meant to be the Shredder, which would have given the Shredder persona a much stronger tie to the Turtles themselves, and would have made the fight with Splinter mean more. Funny how they shot themselves in the foot (pun intended) with that one. ***CORRECTED***
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(Although Saki becoming an evil ninja rat opposite Splinter would certainly be different.)I wish they'd have just gone with the Yoshi turns into Splinter version, it would at least have smoothed out some other things that have no valid reason to work, esp the Asian stuff. |
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