Official TMNT 2 Trailer #2 Discussion

[neatoman]

Evil Splinter, huh?

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Can you imagine the outrage if the Next Superman movie used the origin from Stan lee's Just Imagine... series of Supes?

A stranded Space-Cop named Salden that uses a flying harness, and the only reason he's a superhero is so that Earth can spend their resources on space travel technology over war, and eventually have the technology where Salden can eventually travel home.

Wow. Just....wow.

Now I wanna go ahead and read this.

[graphic_content]

[graphic_content]

[Bry]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

What bothered me most about the change to the origin was Splinter's natural disposition to Asian culture.

1) He wasnt the pet of ninja master.
2) He wasnt Hamato Yoshi turned rat.
3) He wasnt the spirit of Hamato Yoshi reincarnated as a rat.

Nothing about him connected him in any way to asian culture, and somehow he ended up donning the 'persona' as it were, in dress at least, long before he discovered the ridiculous 'Ninja for Dummies' book in the sewers.

Cultural Appropriation Splinter? Weeaboo Splinter? Ehh, take your pick.

Originally Posted by graphic_content

Ive been on these forums for quite some time, and have defended the reboot on more than several occasions, but certain things, like the origin change I cannot understand, nor defend.

It's the movie's original sin -- the first block of the foundation everything else is built on was made of crap. I really wish someone, anyone, would have thought things through more in the first place. But they just didn't care. And now, no matter what they do, they can't change that the first step they took in this version's story was a total face-plant.

Originally Posted by graphic_content

Clearly, Eric Sachs was always meant to be the Shredder, which would have given the Shredder persona a much stronger tie to the Turtles themselves, and would have made the fight with Splinter mean more. Funny how they shot themselves in the foot (pun intended) with that one.

I think either option was a loser there. White Shredder was an objectively terrible idea, and shoehorning in "Saki" was a cheap band-aid fix that actually made the story worse somehow. Either way, they got it dead wrong.

That's why I can't take off the "critic glasses" when it comes to this series -- we've seen how incompetent they've been at this. Extremely incompetent. It's asking a hell of a lot to trust their judgment after all that.

[Cryomancer]

Can't wait for the turtles to all turn human so Michelangelo can bang April and they can become THE REAL HEROES aka police and or firemen, setting up for the third movie where they then join the UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES and Bay gets yet another vehicle to glamorize the military with.

Haha just kidding I'm sure he'll do that with this movie too.

[Myko]

Originally Posted by Cryomancer

THE REAL HEROES

They ain't born, gotta create 'em.

[Commenter 42]

Well, Laird just weighed in on the human-turtles storyline:

John Pannozzi April 12, 2016 at 1:43 PM

"1. Is Viacom/Nickelodeon allowed to use Venus and other characters from Next Mutation? I know that Mirage owned all those character, not Saban. But people have speculated that you put in clause that forbids those characters from being used in the future. Can you say if this is true or not?"

PL: My understanding -- which could be flawed -- is that Viacom could use anything from "The Next Mutation" if they wished. WHY they would wish to do so is another question.



"2. In the latest trailer for the new TMNT movie (the second one to be produced by Nickelodeon/Paramount and Michael Bay), it seems that a plot point is that the mutagen that turned Bebop & Rocksteady from humans into animals, could also turn the Turtles into humans. What do you think about the Turtles turning into humans (and especially them wanting to do so in order to fit in with society) as a story device? I know that a planned TMNT 4 would have Mikey with the ability to disguise himself as a human (and there was an episode of the 1980s cartoons where Mikey became human, but it was so poorly written, it's really not worth discussing here). Did you think it was a worthwhile idea then, or now?"

PL: Kevin Eastman and I toyed with the idea of having Michelangelo make himself a "human costume" in the comics, and I believe we suggested (for the show which became "The Next Mutation") the idea that a further mutation for one of the Turtles (Mike, I believe) could be the ability to actually "morph" temporarily into human form. So I have no problem with that concept as the basis for some interesting storytelling.

Whether or not that's what you will get in this next movie is, again, another question. I believe I saw a brief scene in the trailer for the next TMNT movie wherein one of the Turtles pours some ooze on his hand and it instantaneously changes from three fingers to five fingers, so I suspect the answer to the aforementioned question is "probably not".

Of course, I could be wrong. I hope so. -- PL

I'm really surprised he digs the idea, but, you can't argue with god...so....

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Well, Laird just weighed in on the human Turtles Storeyline:

I truly, truly admire his diplomacy.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

I truly, truly admire his diplomacy.

Meh, is that what that is? Reads more like a vote of tepid confidence.

[Candy Kappa]

There's a big difference between temporarily morph or disguise as a human ala X-men's Nightcrawler's image-inducer, compared to actually turning human.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Meh, is that what that is? Reads more like a vote of tepid confidence.

I'm honestly not getting that. Sure he's toyed with a similar idea and maybe he even liked the idea back then, might even have a little bias toward that idea, I'm guilty of that quite often...

But then this?

Whether or not that's what you will get in this next movie is, again, another question. I believe I saw a brief scene in the trailer for the next TMNT movie wherein one of the Turtles pours some ooze on his hand and it instantaneously changes from three fingers to five fingers, so I suspect the answer to the aforementioned question is "probably not".

That's a guy who has ZERO confidence in these people to do any justice at all to ANY idea, good or bad. But is trying so hard to not to just say "these guys are f*cking idiots and got no idea what they're doing."

That's the impression I'm getting.

[D Piddy 1982]

Just looking at those few screen caps above.

Is it me or is all starting to look a bit "average CGI"?

Despite all the first movies flaws, the effects were pretty stunning.

One of my pet hates in movies, in general, is sh*tty CGI & also the animation of said CGI I.e. a character defying gravity in an "unreal" way.

I dunno, this one doesn't seem to be quite hitting the same sweet spot with the CGI?...is it just me?

[Powder]

It's just you, I think. They look about the same to me, which is to say, not that great by modern standards, let alone ILM.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

I'm honestly not getting that. Sure he's toyed with a similar idea and maybe he even liked the idea back then, might even have a little bias toward that idea, I'm guilty of that quite often...

But then this?

That's a guy who has ZERO confidence in these people to do any justice at all to ANY idea, good or bad. But is trying so hard to not to just say "these guys are f*cking idiots and got no idea what they're doing."

That's the impression I'm getting.

Agreed. Laird quite often follows the old adage of "If you can't say something nice..."

Unless it's grammar and spelling. And I have no problem with that.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by D Piddy 1982

Just looking at those few screen caps above.

Is it me or is all starting to look a bit "average CGI"?

Despite all the first movies flaws, the effects were pretty stunning.

One of my pet hates in movies, in general, is sh*tty CGI & also the animation of said CGI I.e. a character defying gravity in an "unreal" way.

I dunno, this one doesn't seem to be quite hitting the same sweet spot with the CGI?...is it just me?

Go back and re watch the 1st, particularly the rooftop scene. Flat and cartoonish as hell.

[Candy Kappa]

Yeah. The animation in the first one was very floaty and weightless, seems like that's not fixed in the second one.

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by Bry

I think either option was a loser there. White Shredder was an objectively terrible idea, and shoehorning in "Saki" was a cheap band-aid fix that actually made the story worse somehow. Either way, they got it dead wrong.

I would have just stuck with white Shredder and done reshoots for a mid or post-credits scene where Sachs is in prison, the lights go out and you hear movement, then silence. Lights come back on with him tied to a chair now in a new room and have a figure silhouetted by light behind him looking down at Sachs saying "You have dishonored the Foot clan."

Basically imply the actual ninja Foot clan break Sachs out of jail to answer to Oroku Saki. The second film could have easily built on Sachs having squandered Foot Clan resources on his scheme and dishonored them with the whole paramilitary thing. With Shredder now in New York taking over direct control, you go into the second film.

Only way I could see to salvage the thing. As for the origin, you could still reveal that the book didn't teach Splinter ninjutsu so much as triggered recollected memories of his past life and go the IDW reincarnation route.

The only hard wipe the first absolutely needs is the bullet proof skin (that is somehow pierced by tranq darts). -_-

Originally Posted by Cryomancer

Can't wait for the turtles to all turn human so Michelangelo can bang April and they can become THE REAL HEROES aka police and or firemen, setting up for the third movie where they then join the UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES and Bay gets yet another vehicle to glamorize the military with.

Haha just kidding I'm sure he'll do that with this movie too.

How nobody in Hollywood said "80s property + Michael Bay = GI Joe" is beyond me.

[D Piddy 1982]

Originally Posted by Powder

It's just you, I think. They look about the same to me, which is to say, not that great by modern standards, let alone ILM.

Hmm, yeah OK, maybe.

I think it at least had a couple of CGI "highlights" - Leo warning April on the rooftop (just the face shot, not the sh*tty jump and wall destroy bit) and Mikey fighting the foot in the lair (when he does the spinning kick). OK, so not much, but at least something to aspire too....

[sethmartin]

Originally Posted by SwiftNinjaFox

I would have just stuck with white Shredder and done reshoots for a mid or post-credits scene where Sachs is in prison, the lights go out and you hear movement, then silence. Lights come back on with him tied to a chair now in a new room and have a figure silhouetted by light behind him looking down at Sachs saying "You have dishonored the Foot clan."

I would have had Splinter tell the real origin in the opening animation piece, kept the shoehorned in Saki but with better dialogue, cut out all of the crap about the lab and April's connection with the turtles. I would have had Splinter's story to April just start when they were already in the Sewer. Of course, cut out the stupid ninjutsu book and change Splinters voice over.