The Magnificent Seven

[The Deadman]

Looks interesting

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Yeah, I'm all in on this...

[Spike Spiegel]

Another Hollywood film that is a remake?

You don't say.

[Krutch]

Nope. Not for me.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Krutch

Nope. Not for me.

Aw c'mon... Eli as Yul Brynner and Star-Lord as Steve McQueen? What's not to love?

[Krutch]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Aw c'mon... Eli as Yul Brynner and Star-Lord as Steve McQueen? What's not to love?

Westerns

(I AM the same dude who made THIS thread, after all)

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Krutch

Westerns

(I AM the same dude who made THIS thread, after all)

Missed that thread. You never did provide a long rant on why you don't do Westerns; please satisfy my curiosity.

Me, I used to love Westerns; watched them with my dad all the time. I've outgrown them now, just don't enjoy them anymore... but I'll still watch this. I have hopes.

[plastroncafe]

While I'm not a fan of westerns usually, I am a fan of pretty people.
And that movie? Has quite a few pretty people in them.

[Krutch]

I didn't go on a really provide a reason because a lot of it is just preference. I just find the whole genre annoying as hell to watch. The tone, the pacing, the over the top machismo, the black and white "good guys" and "bad guys" type of storytelling, the ugly repetitive color palate, and, to paraphrase from something I read once, "Who wouldn't want to be reminded about the merciless cultural imperialism and rapacious greed of the European settlers at the expense of the native people? Fun times."

Like I said, I know its just preference. I just can't stand any of it.

[Spike Spiegel]

Originally Posted by Krutch

I didn't go on a really provide a reason because a lot of it is just preference. I just find the whole genre annoying as hell to watch. The tone, the pacing, the over the top machismo, the black and white "good guys" and "bad guys" type of storytelling, the ugly repetitive color palate, and, to paraphrase from something I read once, "Who wouldn't want to be reminded about the merciless cultural imperialism and rapacious greed of the European settlers at the expense of the native people? Fun times."

Like I said, I know its just preference. I just can't stand any of it.

That's why those "Man with No Name" spaghetti westerns are considered to be so subversive. The Eastwood character became an archetypal anti-hero.

[plastroncafe]

Pretty much everything you just listed is why I stay away from d*ckflicks whenever possible.
From the teal/orange color color scheme, to the neverending ammo clips, to the T&A female tokenism.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Spike Spiegel

Another Hollywood film that is a remake?

I hope that's tongue in cheek considering the original Magnificent Seven

[turtle1237]

The Magnificent Seven was a rip off of the Seven Samurai though.


It was almost said word from word from the 1955 film. It was kinda of hard to watch after seeing the Seven Samurai.

[MikeandRaph87]

The 1960 film is pretty good, I own it. This will be interesting. I know it is a property that could have sequels ehich is what made it likely more attractive to be remade. Is there an actual release date yet?

[The Deadman]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

The 1960 film is pretty good, I own it. This will be interesting. I know it is a property that could have sequels ehich is what made it likely more attractive to be remade. Is there an actual release date yet?

September 23rd.

[Spike Spiegel]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

I hope that's tongue in cheek considering the original Magnificent Seven

Haha, you are right.

Also, "Fistful of Dollars" is a remake of "Yojimbo" if I remember correctly. And "Star Wars" took some stuff from "The Hidden Fortress."

I guess that Kurosawa guy is inadvertently responsible for the current state of overblown Hollywood moviemaking.

[ProactiveMan]

Originally Posted by turtle1237

The Magnificent Seven was a rip off of the Seven Samurai though.

It was almost said word from word from the 1955 film. It was kinda of hard to watch after seeing the Seven Samurai.

It's an adaptation of Seven Samurai, I'm not sure I'd call it a rip-off exactly, and it's not word for word - Seven Samurai is in Japanese.

If I can stand up for westerns for a second, I think that they are kind of like super hero movies; at face value they are a bit silly, but their value or virtue comes from subtext. Much like super hero movies, sometimes the subtext isn’t there and your left with melodrama in funny costumes, but when it works, a western can be as profound as examples of any other genre.

Saying the western is a celebration of cultural imperialism is like saying the super hero movie is a celebration of fascism. Sometimes they get pretty close, but a lot of them explore these ideas quite thoughtfully, and are often critical of Western ideals and history. In fact many westerns seem to be about cultural change and transition, and the end of the ‘Western’ era. The American West is almost presented as a failed state. A place that was founded on dreams and ideals that turned out to be BS.

I come from a part of the world that shares many similarities to the American West (as depicted in film anyway). It’s hot, dusty, the earth is red and not particularly fertile, and people came here to start a new life and/or to find their fortune. We share a similar past regarding violent displacement of native people and cultural assimilation thereafter, with the additional baggage of, shall we say, involuntary emigration, colonialism and postcolonialism. Maybe that’s why I’m attracted to westerns; they help make sense of the confusing undercurrents that I live on top of.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by Spike Spiegel

Haha, you are right.

Also, "Fistful of Dollars" is a remake of "Yojimbo" if I remember correctly.

Now that was a case of a deliberate rip-off. Leone didn't have the rights to adapt Yojimbo, and his movie is almost shot-for-shot in some cases. Kurosawa wasn’t happy about it either.

[Hero]

I'll give this a chance..