Official TMNT 2 Discussion

[Bry]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

As a long-time Marvel reader, I'm calling b.s on that.

The movies are the comics put through a kindergarden filter and their characters are left all the poorer for it. Especially their villains.

And BayTurtles 2 is...?

I've been reading Marvel pretty much since I could read, and I certainly dont feel the same way. They're movies, not comics, so its hard to directly compare against long-term storytelling spanning decades... but their versions of these heroes and their world is very satisfying to me and rings really true to what's always made them work.

I know this is a TMNT forum, but going super easy on BayTurtles 2 while outright slagging on Marvel Studios feels like a heckuvva double standard.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by guppy8466

Anyone have a clip of krangs new voice? Or can someone that's seen say if it's any good?

It's a little deeper than I was expecting. It was decent, had little moments of humour. I can't see it becoming an iconic voice or anything though.

[bushido]

[guppy8466]

Originally Posted by THGhost

It's a little deeper than I was expecting. It was decent, had little moments of humour. I can't see it becoming an iconic voice or anything though.

I'm looking forward to seeing, his voice is the biggest thing I'm looking forward to, n how he moves around. Garret never disappoints. Thnx for the feed back

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by Bry

And BayTurtles 2 is...?

I've been reading Marvel pretty much since I could read, and I certainly dont feel the same way. They're movies, not comics, so its hard to directly compare against long-term storytelling spanning decades... but their versions of these heroes and their world is very satisfying to me and rings really true to what's always made them work.

I know this is a TMNT forum, but going super easy on BayTurtles 2 while outright slagging on Marvel Studios feels like a heckuvva double standard.

i think the standard has to be different - and mind you, im not giving a pass to TMNT, but consider this...

I read the following on GeekDen and it made a lot of sense to me:

There are a good few of us who really love those original Mirage comic books, but a larger group of Turtles fans want an adaptation of the vastly different cartoon series from the 1980s. They want characters like Krang and Bebop and Rocksteady. As illogical as it might sound, you have to make a faithful adaptation of an unfaithful adaptation. And that’s exactly what director David Green and his Turtles team have done for this new movie sequel.

When pop culture references TMNT, its very rare that they are actually referring to early Mirage - what most people know to be TMNT is FW produced cartoon. It is the most widely known, and arguably the most popular version of the Turtles, even 30 years later.

So making a faithful version of the FW Cartoon really means, not making a comic-faithful adaptation, as the cartoon itself only borrowed elements from early Mirage.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by guppy8466

I'm looking forward to seeing, his voice is the biggest thing I'm looking forward to, n how he moves around. Garret never disappoints. Thnx for the feed back

In my opinion he looks and moves around great. Exactly what I expected from a "live-action" Krang.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

When pop culture references TMNT, its very rare that they are actually referring to early Mirage - what most people know to be TMNT is FW produced cartoon. It is the most widely known, and arguably the most popular version of the Turtles, even 30 years later.

So making a faithful version of the FW Cartoon really means, not making a comic-faithful adaptation, as the cartoon itself only borrowed elements from early Mirage.

I agree with DenofGeek's point.

But this and the 2014 predecessor aren't even faithful/good Fred Wolf adaptations. They're just terrible movies.

[Konchadunga]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

As a long-time Marvel reader, I'm calling b.s on that.

The movies are the comics put through a kindergarden filter and their characters are left all the poorer for it. Especially their villains.

I'll be honest, I'm actually glad they ignored a lot of the source material for Civil War. Sure; the MCU also has its big fouls--White Mandarin was a big one--but the problem with dinging a graphic novel movie for being unfaithful is those serials are arguably being unfaithful even to themselves; all it takes is one bad writer taking over a once-good character, and things can be screwed for years. Plenty people familiar with earlier writers of Iron Man called bull when he was suddenly willing to fund terrorists to push through a law he believed in. Movie Iron Man didn't have his ethics ruined that way. Nor did the Civil War movie end with Spider-Man dealing with a devil.

I no longer buy superhero serials, because I feel when they last too long, they end up taking on some drivel they don't need. I would rather watch a movie that succeeds in distilling a property down to its ideal and re-adapting the parts of its original run that were a hit, for the sake of telling self-contained stories.

[THGhost]

I'm not gonna be one of those people who berates others for not liking something. If you don't like it, fine. Hate it to your heart's content I say. Don't be a dick to those who did and everything will be okay.

[ZariusTwo]

Marvel Zombies are all the like. I don't sweat 'em

[Mew]

How many TV spots is this film gonna have? It's out in 3 days!

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by Mew

How many TV spots is this film gonna have? It's out in 3 days!

Don't watch them then.

[letscook89]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Don't watch them then.

I have a question for you. Do the turtles have the same size as their promotion statues or are they smaller in the movie ? Because these statues are freakin' huge next to humans.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by letscook89

I have a question for you. Do the turtles have the same size as their promotion statues or are they smaller in the movie ? Because these statues are freakin' huge next to humans.

I don't know, i've only seen the statues in pictures and I didn't take any notice of the turtles sizes in the movie.

[THGhost]

Yep, I stay away from TV spots too.

Originally Posted by Mew

How many TV spots is this film gonna have? It's out in 3 days!

Technically it's already out. There are other countries besides the USA y'know.

Originally Posted by letscook89

I have a question for you. Do the turtles have the same size as their promotion statues or are they smaller in the movie ? Because these statues are freakin' huge next to humans.

Originally Posted by Vicky82

I don't know, i've only seen the statues in pictures and I didn't take any notice of the turtles sizes in the movie.

They're not that big, particularly Mikey.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Marvel Zombies are all the like. I don't sweat 'em

Marvel isn't perfect, it's not like I give them a pass on everything, but overall they make good movies with great characters and solid stories. Ones that please the majority of fans and critics.

Platinum Dunes doesn't do any of that.

Originally Posted by graphic_content

When pop culture references TMNT, its very rare that they are actually referring to early Mirage - what most people know to be TMNT is FW produced cartoon. It is the most widely known, and arguably the most popular version of the Turtles, even 30 years later.

So making a faithful version of the FW Cartoon really means, not making a comic-faithful adaptation, as the cartoon itself only borrowed elements from early Mirage.

Yeah, I get all that. And I'm not honestly expecting a pure Mirage adaptation, or something that snubs the Fred Wolf version entirely. I just want a good movie. It shouldn't be too much to ask for. I think the smartest call would be going for a hybrid, like every other recent adaptation is doing to much better effect, pulling from the best of everything instead of just cramming some Fred Wolf nostalgia into a half-baked mindless action flick and calling it a day.

I dunno. I just find it a bit disconcerting when fans are basically saying "it's a bad movie but the fan-service was decent so I give it a pass". To each their own, absolutely, but to me it's a bit depressing to see standards lowered to meet minimal effort. We could have it so much better.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by Bry

Marvel isn't perfect, it's not like I give them a pass on everything, but overall they make good movies with great characters and solid stories. Ones that please the majority of fans and critics.

Platinum Dunes doesn't do any of that.

Vv



Yeah, I get all that. And I'm not honestly expecting a pure Mirage adaptation, or something that snubs the Fred Wolf version entirely. I just want a good movie. It shouldn't be too much to ask for. I think the smartest call would be going for a hybrid, like every other recent adaptation is doing to much better effect, pulling from the best of everything instead of just cramming some Fred Wolf nostalgia into a half-baked mindless action flick and calling it a day.

I dunno. I just find it a bit disconcerting when fans are basically saying "it's a bad movie but the fan-service was decent so I give it a pass". To each their own, absolutely, but to me its depressing to see standards lowered to meet minimal effort. We could have it so much better.

I would say Out of the Shadows is a good movie, but that's just me.

[Hero]

Has anyone seen these cardboard stands in their cinema?
That's my daughter sitting with the Turtles. https://www.instagram.com/p/BGCdtyzIv_Y/

The cardboard Turtles standing here are around 6ft (same as me). I'm guessing the same scale as the movie.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by Hero

Has anyone seen these cardboard stands in their cinema?
That's my daughter sitting with the Turtles. https://www.instagram.com/p/BGCdtyzIv_Y/

The cardboard Turtles standing here are around 6ft (same as me). I'm guessing the same scale as the movie.

Didn't see them at my cinema. I love those things.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Bry

And BayTurtles 2 is...?

I've been reading Marvel pretty much since I could read, and I certainly dont feel the same way. They're movies, not comics, so its hard to directly compare against long-term storytelling spanning decades... but their versions of these heroes and their world is very satisfying to me and rings really true to what's always made them work.

I know this is a TMNT forum, but going super easy on BayTurtles 2 while outright slagging on Marvel Studios feels like a heckuvva double standard.

Yep.

Absolutely hilarious to see someone defend the dumpster fire of an adaptation that is BayTurtles and crap on what Marvel's done.