Pros & cons about TMNT: OotS' failure at the box office

[Zak The Neutrino]

There is a con. This could hurt the brand.

If these movie toys linger too long on shelves retailers are going to think the whole brand is soft and lower their future orders on the Nick line of toys. For those of us that like the Nick turtles that's not a good thing.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Zak The Neutrino

There is a con. This could hurt the brand.

If these movie toys linger too long on shelves retailers are going to think the whole brand is soft and lower their future orders on the Nick line of toys. For those of us that like the Nick turtles that's not a good thing.

The very existence of things like OotS hurt the "brand." While it's true that its failure might peripherally hurt things like the Nick cartoon, or maybe even the chances a new reader might pick up a copy of IDW TMNT ("Is this about those Hulk Turtles with the lame chains and Arrow? Mehhh, pass")... it's far better for these movies to be stunted and go down in flames more sooner than later. By movie #3 or #4 some (additional) rather permanent damage would be done, though even still it's pretty hurt.

[Zak The Neutrino]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The very existence of things like OotS hurt the "brand." While it's true that its failure might peripherally hurt things like the Nick cartoon, or maybe even the chances a new reader might pick up a copy of IDW TMNT ("Is this about those Hulk Turtles with the lame chains and Arrow? Mehhh, pass")... it's far better for these movies to be stunted and uprooted more sooner than later. By movie #3 or #4 some rather permanent damage would be done, though even still it's pretty hurt.

Good point. I guess I never really thought about it that way. However this was just posted in another thread. Not great news.

http://www.thewrap.com/why-teenage-m...of-box-office/

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Zak The Neutrino

Good point. I guess I never really thought about it that way. However this was just posted in another thread. Not great news.

http://www.thewrap.com/why-teenage-m...of-box-office/

Seems pretty speculative to me, though not untrue. But it's not like Warner Bros. soldiered ahead with more movies in that particular iteration after "Batman & Robin" dropped rather embarrassingly, and Batman movies were as big into toys as TMNT, if not a great deal moreso. There's a tipping point when a thing becomes so radioactive, pulling the ship back into port rather than Moby Dicking things becomes the most sensible thing to do.

[Zak The Neutrino]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Seems pretty speculative to me, though not untrue. But it's not like Warner Bros. soldiered ahead with more movies in that particular iteration after "Batman & Robin" dropped rather embarrassingly, and Batman movies were as big into toys as TMNT, if not a great deal moreso. There's a tipping point when a thing becomes so radioactive, pulling the ship back into port rather than Moby Dicking things becomes the most sensible thing to do.

Speaking of WB maybe Paramount could wake up like WB did after BvS. Fire the whole staff and rehire new people.

[neatoman]

The movie was "tentacle mucus to the eye", so it's a really good thing it isn't doing well.

[IndigoErth]

The only con I have - at this point I don't want to be done seeing what can be done with this set of Turtles. Two films, and just one where we're finally starting to get to know them. After a hard start two years ago, they've grown on me. They have potential, don't really want to be done with them yet...I just want them out of PD's hands. Hand their computer files over to someone else who can write and produce responsibly. Someone competent needs to stage a hostile takeover of the right to make their films.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

They have potential, don't really want to be done with them yet...I just want them out of PD's hands. Hand their computer files over to someone else who can write and produce responsibly.

I'm OK with them taking all of their "computer files" on these last two films, taking any and all of the backups of them along with any tangential assets and props, rounding every piece of pre- and post-production into one singular office building and then...

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The very existence of things like OotS hurt the "brand." While it's true that its failure might peripherally hurt things like the Nick cartoon, or maybe even the chances a new reader might pick up a copy of IDW TMNT ("Is this about those Hulk Turtles with the lame chains and Arrow? Mehhh, pass")... it's far better for these movies to be stunted and uprooted more sooner than later. By movie #3 or #4 some rather permanent damage would be done, though even still it's pretty hurt.

Yep. We had some really good things going for a long while there. New hit cartoon that was very much a good modern take on the 80s cartoon(on tv where that kind of thing belongs), lots of new comics that I'm told are great(I'll be able to afford to read them eventually).

But then these sh*tty movies came along and that might mess things up a bit.

They only have themselves to blame, and if anything happens to lessen the cartoon and the comics, I feel very, very bad for the talented creators behind those mediums that their great products were tainted by crappy ones.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I've always looked at the situation as this... Viacom getting the rights made possible a number of things:

The Nickelodeon cartoon. To me, it's "meh" but not terrible. Some pretty good stuff, miles ahead of Fred Wolf and--when it tries--some pretty great writing. So, overall, GOOD.

IDW comics. Amazing stuff that I look forward to every month. Not only that, but IDW has been reprinting the Mirage and Archie stuff. Definitely GOOD.

Platinum Dunes movies. Terrible terrible half-assed lazy movies with zero competent writing. Most public "face" of the property currently and definitely not doing anyone any favors. Critically, it's BAD.

Merch. Action figures, board games, new video games, all the usual kiddie bedsheets/pajamas/toothpaste/et al. A lot of crap, some cool stuff... definitely something for everyone, though. I'll rate it GOOD.

4Kids cartoon. The previous cartoon was finally getting some decent DVD releases, Seasons 1 and 2 divided into two halves. Then the sale happened and the show pretty much disappeared from the face of the earth and lives on only on YouTube and Amazon (first three seasons only). BAD.

Overall, I'm willing to pay the price of terrible terrible movies if it means the IDW comics continue to be possible. My only fear is that at some point, the Turtle Train gets derailed, no doubt with Platinum Dunes contributing a fair portion of that apocalypse.