Pros & cons about TMNT: OotS' failure at the box office

[Andrew NDB]

Pros:

* TMNT as a movie franchise can now take a very necessary dirt nap for a while and TPTB will have no choice but to reevaluate things for the next go-around.
* Another reboot can probably be expected, but probably not in the too-foreseeable future. We probably shouldn't have a great deal of confidence in said reboot being much better than this first foray, but it's difficult to imagine it being much worse.
* Platinum Dunes deservedly has egg on their face in a very public way.
* TPTB tried to do a big Fred Wolf bonanza with "Everything a fan wants" complete with Bebop and cowabunga and Technodrome and all of that and it has squarely fallen flat on its face. The overwhelming likelihood is that they won't try that a second time.
* This pleases me, personally, greatly. And that should be important to you.

Cons:

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[TrickOrTreater]

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[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

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[Zak The Neutrino]

There is a con. This could hurt the brand.

If these movie toys linger too long on shelves retailers are going to think the whole brand is soft and lower their future orders on the Nick line of toys. For those of us that like the Nick turtles that's not a good thing.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Zak The Neutrino

There is a con. This could hurt the brand.

If these movie toys linger too long on shelves retailers are going to think the whole brand is soft and lower their future orders on the Nick line of toys. For those of us that like the Nick turtles that's not a good thing.

The very existence of things like OotS hurt the "brand." While it's true that its failure might peripherally hurt things like the Nick cartoon, or maybe even the chances a new reader might pick up a copy of IDW TMNT ("Is this about those Hulk Turtles with the lame chains and Arrow? Mehhh, pass")... it's far better for these movies to be stunted and go down in flames more sooner than later. By movie #3 or #4 some (additional) rather permanent damage would be done, though even still it's pretty hurt.

[Zak The Neutrino]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The very existence of things like OotS hurt the "brand." While it's true that its failure might peripherally hurt things like the Nick cartoon, or maybe even the chances a new reader might pick up a copy of IDW TMNT ("Is this about those Hulk Turtles with the lame chains and Arrow? Mehhh, pass")... it's far better for these movies to be stunted and uprooted more sooner than later. By movie #3 or #4 some rather permanent damage would be done, though even still it's pretty hurt.

Good point. I guess I never really thought about it that way. However this was just posted in another thread. Not great news.

http://www.thewrap.com/why-teenage-m...of-box-office/

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

The very existence of things like OotS hurt the "brand." While it's true that its failure might peripherally hurt things like the Nick cartoon, or maybe even the chances a new reader might pick up a copy of IDW TMNT ("Is this about those Hulk Turtles with the lame chains and Arrow? Mehhh, pass")... it's far better for these movies to be stunted and uprooted more sooner than later. By movie #3 or #4 some rather permanent damage would be done, though even still it's pretty hurt.

Yep. We had some really good things going for a long while there. New hit cartoon that was very much a good modern take on the 80s cartoon(on tv where that kind of thing belongs), lots of new comics that I'm told are great(I'll be able to afford to read them eventually).

But then these sh*tty movies came along and that might mess things up a bit.

They only have themselves to blame, and if anything happens to lessen the cartoon and the comics, I feel very, very bad for the talented creators behind those mediums that their great products were tainted by crappy ones.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I've always looked at the situation as this... Viacom getting the rights made possible a number of things:

The Nickelodeon cartoon. To me, it's "meh" but not terrible. Some pretty good stuff, miles ahead of Fred Wolf and--when it tries--some pretty great writing. So, overall, GOOD.

IDW comics. Amazing stuff that I look forward to every month. Not only that, but IDW has been reprinting the Mirage and Archie stuff. Definitely GOOD.

Platinum Dunes movies. Terrible terrible half-assed lazy movies with zero competent writing. Most public "face" of the property currently and definitely not doing anyone any favors. Critically, it's BAD.

Merch. Action figures, board games, new video games, all the usual kiddie bedsheets/pajamas/toothpaste/et al. A lot of crap, some cool stuff... definitely something for everyone, though. I'll rate it GOOD.

4Kids cartoon. The previous cartoon was finally getting some decent DVD releases, Seasons 1 and 2 divided into two halves. Then the sale happened and the show pretty much disappeared from the face of the earth and lives on only on YouTube and Amazon (first three seasons only). BAD.

Overall, I'm willing to pay the price of terrible terrible movies if it means the IDW comics continue to be possible. My only fear is that at some point, the Turtle Train gets derailed, no doubt with Platinum Dunes contributing a fair portion of that apocalypse.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Zak The Neutrino

Good point. I guess I never really thought about it that way. However this was just posted in another thread. Not great news.

http://www.thewrap.com/why-teenage-m...of-box-office/

Seems pretty speculative to me, though not untrue. But it's not like Warner Bros. soldiered ahead with more movies in that particular iteration after "Batman & Robin" dropped rather embarrassingly, and Batman movies were as big into toys as TMNT, if not a great deal moreso. There's a tipping point when a thing becomes so radioactive, pulling the ship back into port rather than Moby Dicking things becomes the most sensible thing to do.

[Zak The Neutrino]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Seems pretty speculative to me, though not untrue. But it's not like Warner Bros. soldiered ahead with more movies in that particular iteration after "Batman & Robin" dropped rather embarrassingly, and Batman movies were as big into toys as TMNT, if not a great deal moreso. There's a tipping point when a thing becomes so radioactive, pulling the ship back into port rather than Moby Dicking things becomes the most sensible thing to do.

Speaking of WB maybe Paramount could wake up like WB did after BvS. Fire the whole staff and rehire new people.

[neatoman]

The movie was "tentacle mucus to the eye", so it's a really good thing it isn't doing well.

[IndigoErth]

The only con I have - at this point I don't want to be done seeing what can be done with this set of Turtles. Two films, and just one where we're finally starting to get to know them. After a hard start two years ago, they've grown on me. They have potential, don't really want to be done with them yet...I just want them out of PD's hands. Hand their computer files over to someone else who can write and produce responsibly. Someone competent needs to stage a hostile takeover of the right to make their films.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

They have potential, don't really want to be done with them yet...I just want them out of PD's hands. Hand their computer files over to someone else who can write and produce responsibly.

I'm OK with them taking all of their "computer files" on these last two films, taking any and all of the backups of them along with any tangential assets and props, rounding every piece of pre- and post-production into one singular office building and then...

[Editor's Note Comics]

So far, this movie has done nothing for me to increase comic sales. There was no buzz ahead of time and no one has come in asking about TMNT because of this movie since it came out. This could change, but I doubt it. The Deadpool bubble is only just starting to burst and Civil War is going really strong. Good movies equal increased comic sale. You let me down, Platinum Dunes.

[vicsavage]

The only con I can think of is this decreases the chances of a Rifftrax of Platinum Dunes' TMNT 3.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Honestly...this reminds me of the time when Ninja Turtles 3 came out in 1993...and sometime after that, the Next Mutation hit.

In other words...the time where it made me fall out of love for the Ninja Turtles.

It took the 2003 cartoon to bring me back...the first 2 seasons of the Nick Cartoon were pretty decent.

But now that the Nick cartoon turned to sh** (especially the third season, gave up on that crapfest), and we have these new "films"

Now that time comes around again...I'd rather it die off and wait for the next '2003 cartoon, etc.' to bring me back.

And to people who get pissed off....

I'm sorry, but all I ask are capable Martial Arts & fight sequences/choreography that even Marvel is doing in the Captain America movies...

And for the 4 characters to be treated as actual 3-Dimensional characters. Have some back and forth that serve the characters and their specific relationship between one another...not Plot Exposition, exposition, exposition, and more exposition...even a simple 'Mikey pranking Raph, Raph coming after him, giving him a noogie for his troubles'...

Why are simple things like that not capable of being put into a movie?

[chrisdude]

I agree that we need to wait for China. This kind of stuff always does better over there. I'd also like to see what legs this movie has. Movies don't open poorly because they're bad. They open poorly because people aren't interested. If word gets out that it's, at least, better than the last movie, it might hang in theaters for a while. I truly believe this movie is suffering from the reception of the last film, and the drop next weekend won't be very large.

Regardless, toys.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Not everyone watches a new release on the first weekend

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

Why are simple things like that not capable of being put into a movie?

Why?

Because they don't want to pay for a writer with any level of competence.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

Not everyone watches a new release on the first weekend

Of course not everyone... but a significant percentage does, typically 1/3 or more of the total audience.