Suicide Squad Movie

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

I just wanted to throw this out there, a majority of Nolan's films are about handling loss. Memento is yet another example and The Prestiege is to an extent as well.

I haven't been able to bring myself to watch Memento, knowing the story beforehand. That'd be too gut-wrenching for me. I'm quite curious as to the presentation though, and if I'd be able to follow it. If one of my movie buddies twists my arm, I'll watch it with them but until then...

The Prestige was great. But now that I'm thinking about, does nobody ever get a happy ending with their significant other in a Nolan movie? If it does, it's mostly off-screen (Interstellar and Dark Knight Rises).

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

You're pretty passive on most things, but when it come to Nolan, you dig your heels in deep.

I'm curious as to why.

I don't think I've dug in my heels here at all; I've simply pointed out that for some people, Inception tells a story with different themes than many of you may have picked up on due to different life experiences. I'm a married man with children; most of you are not. It follows then that I may indeed find the movie much more provocative than others do. Different perspectives.

Continuing the idea of different perspectives, I love Christopher Nolan's movies even though most of you here don't. Don't really know what else to say other than that. <shrug>

[ZariusTwo]

So it appears the cut critics saw was one that came about after the studio meddled with the director's vision


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hea...ebook_20160803

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

I haven't been able to bring myself to watch Memento, knowing the story beforehand. That'd be too gut-wrenching for me. I'm quite curious as to the presentation though, and if I'd be able to follow it. If one of my movie buddies twists my arm, I'll watch it with them but until then...

The Prestige was great. But now that I'm thinking about, does nobody ever get a happy ending with their significant other in a Nolan movie? If it does, it's mostly off-screen (Interstellar and Dark Knight Rises).



I don't think I've dug in my heels here at all; I've simply pointed out that for some people, Inception tells a story with different themes than many of you may have picked up on due to different life experiences. I'm a married man with children; most of you are not. It follows then that I may indeed find the movie much more provocative than others do. Different perspectives.

Continuing the idea of different perspectives, I love Christopher Nolan's movies even though most of you here don't. Don't really know what else to say other than that. <shrug>

Every time Nolan's been mentioned, you've been defensive. The first argument I ever had with you here, was over Nolan iirc.

It was a legit ask, not a bait. You seem to be drawn to the subject matter.

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I'm not surprised Squad is getting harsh reviews. The trailer has me hyped, but Ayer isn't everyone's cup of tea.

This isn't GOTG. At all. And Snyder is still on the periphery.

Until Snyder is cut loose, DC will continue to have problems.

I think it will do better than BVS at the B.O.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Every time Nolan's been mentioned, you've been defensive. The first argument I ever had with you here, was over Nolan iirc.

It was a legit ask, not a bait. You seem to be drawn to the subject matter.

You're quite likely right. Like I said, I like the man's work and I don't agree with a lot of the criticisms leveled at it. That's it. His style and themes resonate with me.

But hey, you drink your own cup of tea.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

You're quite likely right. Like I said, I like the man's work and I don't agree with a lot of the criticisms leveled at it. That's it. His style and themes resonate with me.

But hey, you drink your own cup of tea.

Okay, follow up question; are you secretly Christopher Nolan? David Goyer? Jonathon Nolan? Cousin Bob Nolan?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Okay, follow up question; are you secretly Christopher Nolan? David Goyer? Jonathon Nolan? Cousin Bob Nolan?

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand you're being insulting and no longer legit asking.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand you're being insulting and no longer legit asking.

Was obviously a joke.
This is what I mean, you're super touchy when it comes to Nolan, but almost all other topics, not.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Was obviously a joke.
This is what I mean, you're super touchy when it comes to Nolan, but almost all other topics, not.

Perhaps, instead, I'm super touchy when it comes to YOU and don't want to start another Nolan/DCEU argument with you.

[Katie]

I notice a lot around here that when someone's opinion on a movie goes against the popular opinion that they are accused of being a "plant" or family member or something in relation to the "bad" side.

Has the polarization of everything really reached the point that if someone doesn't share that opinion that they are somehow tainted or biased?

Why is it so strange that everyone has their own likes and dislikes that might be different than yours or even the majority of folks?

I'm sick to death of hearing about critics and Rotten Tomatoes and what is "good" and "bad".

Liking or not liking something that involves an artistic element is so subjective. It kills me when people allow someone else to influence whether or not they like something like a movie, or a pice of art, or music.

No one can tell you if you like something like this or not. To me it is all very subjective and personal.

Why can't we get back to the place where if a movie looks interesting, you see it. Then you an decide whether you like it or not instead of obsessively pouring over the opinions of someone else and deciding what you think before you even see a movie.

I'm not defending or detracting from Suicide Squad or any other movie here (or speaking to anyone in particular, before someone thinks that) I just do not get this obsession with critics and internet scores and side picking over something as subjective as whether or not you like a movie.

[Commenter 42]

What did I ever do?

I don't get it. I was right about BVS...ffs. I'm not happy I was right, or that we're suffering through the Snyderverse, brought on by the Nolanverse. They bastardized the characters, I just pointed it out.

But fine, I'll be the giant evil windmill; tilt away dude.

@ Katie Cylon defends Nolan hard, which is fine, and his prerogative, but getting irrationally defensive because you "like" a thing, is strange, no matter who it is.

I legitimately like knowing why folks attach to things. I never really got Leo's rational for defending BVS, anymore than I get why Sam loved Bayturtles.

I get Trump Supporters, and I get Hillary's base; I disagree with both, but I understand what they see in their candidate.

When somebody likes a thing, that I don't, figuring out why might help me like it too.

So, I ask.

The end.

[snake]

I liked BvS because it attempted to have some depth to it and tried to pull off something different than the marvel movies. I actually had fun watching it. It's just capesh*t but I was actually suprised by how much I liked it.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

I think it will do better than BVS at the B.O.

Nah, I don't see it.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by snake

I liked BvS because it attempted to have some depth to it and tried to pull off something different than the marvel movies. I actually had fun watching it. It's just capesh*t but I was actually suprised by how much I liked it.

Being deconstructive I think is a pretty cheap means of achieving said depth in my book. Anyone can take a fairy tale and spin it into a Rhold Dhal nursery rhyme

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Being deconstructive I think is a pretty cheap means of achieving said depth in my book. Anyone can take a fairy tale and spin it into a Rhold Dhal nursery rhyme

Not anyone. Snyder failed.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

What did I ever do?

I don't get it. I was right about BVS...ffs. I'm not happy I was right, or that we're suffering through the Snyderverse, brought on by the Nolanverse. They bastardized the characters, I just pointed it out.

But fine, I'll be the giant evil windmill; tilt away dude.

@ Katie Cylon defends Nolan hard, which is fine, and his prerogative, but getting irrationally defensive because you "like" a thing, is strange, no matter who it is.

I legitimately like knowing why folks attach to things. I never really got Leo's rational for defending BVS, anymore than I get why Sam loved Bayturtles.

I get Trump Supporters, and I get Hillary's base; I disagree with both, but I understand what they see in their candidate.

When somebody likes a thing, that I don't, figuring out why might help me like it too.

So, I ask.

The end.

Do you see that you're pushing this confrontation? I've been nothing but nice and forthright in this thread with you. Not assigning any blame at all.

Saying that I'm super touchy with anything reflects back on me as much as it points to you and I'm okay with that. No blame there, just saying you and I don't get along.

Irrationally defensive? Giant evil windmill? Do you hear yourself or are you just enjoying this and hoping for a meltdown with me storming off the 'Drome, never to return? I'm willing to live and let live; are you not?

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

So it appears the cut critics saw was one that came about after the studio meddled with the director's vision


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hea...ebook_20160803

This is pretty fascinating to me especially since WB has always pushed the narrative that they are a director driven brand especially when Marvel was being construed as nothing more than a producer driven studio.

Letting a trailer cutting company generate a final cut of the movie is crazy to me. Guess those rumors from Faraci about WB wanting the massive reshoots so the final movie matched the first trailer were true.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

We get employee screenings for movies that may have mild success such as Legend of Tarzan, Now You See Me 2, or Ghostbusters. For huge films such as Disney or Star Wars however, it'll be too much of hassle for us to see it before everyone else because it'll be too busy the night it comes out. Suicide Squad is no exception. For those type of movies if we want to watch it opening night, we have to pay like everyone else does.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Do you hear yourself or are you just enjoying this and hoping for a meltdown with me storming off the 'Drome, never to return? I'm willing to live and let live; are you not?

Like I said, defensive. If you think that's what I'm doing, you've got me all wrong.

I asked a simple question, but now I know, you got beef.
It's cool man. I get you now.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Nah, I don't see it.

It's tracking strong, plus theres all the angry Fanboys out there who're upset that BVS took the beating it did.
They'll show up three and 4 times, to get numbers up, support their team.

Also, there's no competition, at all.

[Shark_Blade]

Seen it.

Let's go to the pros and cons.

Spoiler:

The Good
- the pacing of the movie is excellent. I think each of the Suicide Squad members were well fleshed out which makes relating to their characters easier and enjoyable.
- I love that this is a continuation from Batman v Superman. We got to see what the Govt is up to after Supes' death - Suicide Squad was born!
- Soundtracks are great
- Will Smith as Deadshot. I knew the character from Batman Arkham Origin but wasn't hooked yet. In this movie, I adore the character and the family angle they were going for. I love his friendship chemistry with Harley Quinn.
- Margot Robbie - she's perfect as Harley. Heck she is Harley. I love that they kept the original jester outfit (even had her wearing it!) and also her origin story where she worked at Arkham
- Amanda Waller as Viola Davis. In control. Powerful, wicked, risk taker, powerful and hard. She's amazing to watch and earned her authority. She reminds me of Nick Fury from The Avengers but a lot crueler.
- El Diablo. Troubled man with a guilty past. He opened up at the bar scene and it's pretty emotional. I like that he's the only member that wasn't entranced by Enchantress' mind manipulating magic. He knew the dead won't return and snapped the rest of the team back to their senses. Pity that he died at the end sacrificing himself, I really like the character too.
- Killer Croc. Thanks to Batman Arkham Asylum game I knew some bits about the character. I thought he's gonna be just a wild savage beast, but wow he's got an interesting personality too. When Harley called him ugly, he's replied smugly "nah man, I'm beautiful", to which she agreed back. There's a scene at the end with him watching girls going party wild that cracked me up.
- Enchantress. Amazingly beautiful, she reminds me of Emma Watson/Hermione Granger. She's captivating to watch as a scary witch. I never thought she's the actual main villain for this movie, pretty interesting. That final boss battle with her, opening portal - it kinda reminds me of the first Ghostbusters movie.
- Katana. Pretty badass with a tragic past. Just love her action scenes with her sword.
- I like their kinship and team spirit. They may have different backgrounds and personal agendas, but they stick together doing this heroic stuff till the end despite being labeled as the bad guys due to their past.
- lots of funny parts, the people love it and having a great time
- many heartfelt moments too, to my surprise!
- secret ending scene (after credit). Ooh so that's why Batman never interfered with them. I was wondering where he'd gone to.

The Bad
- Jared Leto's Joker is kinda... lite. I expect more madness and intimidating scenes from him but I can still accept what he brought to the table.

Overall: 9.5/10
I love it I wanna see it again!

[Xiewin]

'Suicide Squad's' Secret Drama: Rushed Production, Competing Cuts, High Anxiety
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hea...-rushed-916693

"[Ayer] wrote the script in like, six weeks, and they just went," he says, arguing that the whole process would have benefited if Ayer, 48, had been given more time to work.

This is more of studio issue than a Zack Snyder one.