Official Episode Discussion S4 Ep 16: Broken Foot

[BubblyShell22]

Awesome episode. I love Leo's new gear though I agree he was stupid for helping Karai and not telling his bros what was going on. I also liked the Nightwatcher reference and how Raph was mad about what Leo did. I agree that attacking out of revenge is the wrong thing to do and that's why Splinter doesn't want to attack Shredder in that way. He doesn't want to stoop to his enemy's level of hatred. Karai's plan was interesting but she went about it the wrong way. Sadly, she hasn't learned her lesson and she's going to get into even more trouble because of it.

Overall, a very decent episode. Can't wait for next week's.

[TMNTInsighter]

I'm with greg on this by the way. He's right. They are going to have to put an end to this whole conflict sooner or later and I'm all for it if the events leading up to the finale are preparation for it (in addition to helping others who need it via fillers or fillers with some relevance to the main conflict) instead of either hurting or direct contact, but they are going to have to fight Shredder and his forces with the same desire and determination that Karai inhabits sooner or later.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

1. They're gonna get badly injured regardless what they do with the Shredder the point of the matter is how badly injured they will be and spoiler warning if Karai had not attacked the Bot factory these guys would've had to fight an army of Chrome Dome.

Yeah they still be getting injured but it will be in a controlled situation. If they do it the vengeful way they won't be in there right mind and the situation will become a lot worse.

I expect they will still be fighting an army of Chrome Dome in upcoming episodes anyway. Blowing up the factory isn't going to stop it, Shredder might have another secret factory somewhere.

2 .Thats my point during the episode Splinter should've offered her help

You obviously didn't get my sarcasm in that but anyway she's not going after Shredder straight away, she doesn't know where he is.

[victory_angel]

The seek victory, not fairness and the Don't do as your enemies do are a two parts of the same lesson.

As a whole, it's essentially "Your enemy will not fight fairly, so win by any means necessary, but don't sink to the same level of your enemy."


The one thing that truly sets the Turtles and the Foot apart is how they face their battles. The Turtles are a team and in every incarnation, their greatest battles have been won through their reliance on each other's unity and strength and those they consider honorary family and allies. And when someone is lost they all feel like they lost part of themselves.

The Shredder doesn't have such ties finding strength and power are much more useful in a fight than having allies. Because of this the people he hires for his cause with are not so much allies as much as they are living tools and weapons to be used until they are no longer useful. If Tiger Claw, or Bradford, anyone goes down in a battle. The Shredder would have absolutely no remorse, and while it will set him back somewhat he still would be able to replace them to a degree.

He joins forces with the Kraang simply because they also have the same goal of killing the Turtles. But Shredder has stated he would destroy the Kraang once Splinter, the Turtles, and their allies have been destroyed. And he's crazy enough to let the world be destroyed around him for the sake of killing Splinter once and for all.


Karai has a good idea yes, but her methods are more likely to get herself killed then solve anything. So Splinter is telling her that if she actually stopped and thought about it she would realize she has a number of allies to help her cause, but it has to be her choice to side with them not simply because Splinter is her father.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Yeah they still be getting injured but it will be in a controlled situation. If they do it the vengeful way they won't be in there right mind and the situation will become a lot worse.

I expect they will still be fighting an army of Chrome Dome in upcoming episodes anyway. Blowing up the factory isn't going to stop it, Shredder might have another secret factory somewhere.



You obviously didn't get my sarcasm in that but anyway she's not going after Shredder straight away, she doesn't know where he is.

Lets say Splinter offered her help and the turtles joined forces with Karai and destory some of Shredder's factory how would it be more dangerous compared to the stuff they do know, the only difference is that they are acting instead of reacting.

Also if Shredder has another factory then its all the more reason to destroy that factory because the Chrome Dome army would at least be cut in one fourth

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by matteso586

I did not know that Chompy can breath fire. Then I remembered one of Tokka's powers.

A bit disappointed that this episode doesn't have a flashback of Karai's childhood.

This probably wasn't the first time Karai had to use shapeshifting to heal her own injuries.

Well she is a mutant snake. What do snakes do but shed their skin.

[oldmanwinters]

So the 2007 movie is loose canon now? Guess that Fugitoid space adventure really wrecked the time line!

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

Lets say Splinter offered her help and the turtles joined forces with Karai and destory some of Shredder's factory how would it be more dangerous compared to the stuff they do know, the only difference is that they are acting instead of reacting.

Also if Shredder has another factory then its all the more reason to destroy that factory because the Chrome Dome army would at least be cut in one fourth

As I said in previous posts destroying Shredder's factory's, is not going to stop him because it will make him more agitated, more insane and more of reason to destroy the turtles and Splinter. He will start again and keep going.

Remember Casey Jones vs The Underworld, they stopped his plans but it was only temporary he still continued on making the serum for the brain worms for Karia.

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

So the 2007 movie is loose canon now? Guess that Fugitoid space adventure really wrecked the time line!

No it was a reference to the 2007 movie.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

As I said in previous posts destroying Shredder's factory's, is not going to stop him because it will make him more agitated and more insane and more of reason to destroy the turtles and Splinter. He will start again and keep going.

Remember Casey Jones vs The Underworld, they stopped his plans but it was only temporary he still continued on making the serum for the brain worms for Karia.

What do you mean more this is the same guy who risked the world to kill Shredder if he was anymore agitated he would've died from an anuresm

So temporary is good and at least they are doing something and getting something out of it and at least they got some information

[Yoshimickster]

He offered her help last episode, and she refused. He ain't a man to waste his time.

Plus it should also be said that they don't know ALL of the Foot Clan's new secrets, going after them at THIS point(feuled with revenge or otherwise) is a bad idea.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

What do you mean more this is the same guy who risked the world to kill Shredder if he was anymore agitated he would've died from an anuresm

So temporary is good and at least they are doing something and getting something out of it and at least they got some information

What are you talking about, I'm talking about Shredder no one else. i'll repost it with a few changes

As I said in previous posts destroying Shredder's factory's is not going to stop him because it will make him more agitated and more insane and more of reason to destroy the turtles and Splinter.

Remember the episode Casey Jones vs The Underworld, they stopped Shredders plans but it was only temporary and he still continued on making the serum for the brain worms for Karia when they cleaned up the factory.

No temporary isn't good, even though they have destroyed his factory's Shredder will re build and make new Foot Bots. If the turtles destroy that factory Shredder will start again. He will continue on and he won't care if there's a set back he just wants the turtles and splinter dead.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Yoshimickster

He offered her help last episode, and she refused. He ain't a man to waste his time.

Plus it should also be said that they don't know ALL of the Foot Clan's new secrets, going after them at THIS point(feuled with revenge or otherwise) is a bad idea.

No he was against her stopping the Shredder remember also the more reason for Splinter offer help

Originally Posted by Vicky82

What are you talking about, I'm talking about Shredder no one else. i'll repost it with a few changes



No temporary isn't good, even though they have destroyed his factory's Shredder will re build and make new Foot Bots. If the turtles destroy that factory Shredder will start again. He will continue on and he won't care if there's a set back he just wants the turtles and splinter dead.

I ment to say Shredder risked the world to trying to kill Splinter also how is temporary not good thing at least its doing something and Shredder has to spend money to rebuild the factories and less foot bots mean less hassle the problem with all of this is that the Hamato clan aren't acting but instead reacting this is jarring when there is a madman with large resources trying to kill them on every turn.

[Yoshimickster]

Yes he did, last episode he asked Karai to stay and let him help, but she said no and said that she had to forge her own path.

And this is a temporary set-back for him in that he'll be up and running next week, WITH more guards.

ALSO...I don't know how to ask this without being mean, but PLEASE learn to write better, its a little jarring. I really don't want to sound mean here, but its just hard to read at times.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Yoshimickster

Yes he did, last episode he asked Karai to stay and let him help, but she said no and said that she had to forge her own path.

And this is a temporary set-back for him in that he'll be up and running next week, WITH more guards.

Whats the point in staying though could't they communicate with each other with both parties in separate locations also why didn't he offer her help again its not too out of character for Splinter to repeat himself and if Karai wants to do it alone why did she allied with Leo, the writing in this series is more flip flopy then Hillary Clinton

Also more guards means Shredder will be more vulnerable and more of his factories or hideouts would be ripe for the taking.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

No he was against her stopping the Shredder remember also the more reason for Splinter offer help

I ment to say Shredder risked the world to trying to kill Splinter also how is temporary not good thing at least its doing something and Shredder has to spend money to rebuild the factories and less foot bots mean less hassle the problem with all of this is that the Hamato clan aren't acting but instead reacting this is jarring when there is a madman with large resources trying to kill them on every turn.

Even if he had no money and no Foot Bots he will still find a way to kill Splinter and the turtles.

[CyberCubed]

Pretty good ep, and I like that we have human Foot Soldiers back in the mix now, would definitely like to see more of them.

Hun was taken out pretty quickly, and its obvious Bebop/Rocksteady are mostly comic relief. Tiger Claw has really been failing a lot lately, makes you wonder if it'll lead to a character arc for him.

[Yoshimickster]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

Whats the point in staying though could't they communicate with each other with both parties in separate locations also why didn't he offer her help again its not too out of character for Splinter to repeat himself and if Karai wants to do it alone why did she allied with Leo, the writing in this series is more flip flopy then Hillary Clinton

Also more guards means Shredder will be more vulnerable and more of his factories or hideouts would be ripe for the taking.

Its not THAT flip floppy....also good Hillary dis, but really once again PLEASE work on your sentence structure its...taxing.

Nnnnnnnnnnnno I don't think so, actually ironically the more places they destroy, the less they have to spread out their ranks, making it harder as it goes along.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Even if he had no money and no Foot Bots he will still find a way to kill Splinter and the turtles.

Well i guess the Hamato Clan need to kill Shredder seriously even the 2k3 turtles knew it was a good idea to kill Shredder and the IDW version had Splinter decapitate him is it really vengeance if you kill a man who is trying time and time again to kill you.

Originally Posted by Yoshimickster

Nnnnnnnnnnnno I don't think so, actually ironically the more places they destroy, the less they have to spread out their ranks, making it harder as it goes along.

Thats all the more reason for them to destroy their hideouts, ever heard the term "Divide and Conquer" if you can't Divide you can't Conquer the Foot lacking the ability to spread out their ranks only hurts them seriously this whole season could've been the systemic action of destroying the Foot when Shredder is at his weakest.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

Well i guess the Hamato Clan need to kill Shredder seriously even the 2k3 turtles knew it was a good idea to kill Shredder and the IDW version had Splinter decapitate him is it really vengeance if you kill a man who is trying time and time again to kill you.

In the IDW Shredder committed Seppuku, ritualized suicide.

[Yoshimickster]

Its less about killing Shredder, and more the horrifying risks that can come with it.