Official Episode Discussion S4 Ep 16: Broken Foot

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by Yoshimickster

Okay I know your going to ignore me again but PLEASE, enough with the run-on sentences.

Well for one they cause massive fires which could hurt people, plus it gives their enemy even MORE reason to hate them feuling his crazy plans.

And yes...yes there are a lot of downsides to Karai's plans. For one, it involves a severe lack of recon, she just wanted to find the location and end it, and that's probably how she's gonna deal with the Shredder too. And know what will happen THEN? She gets owned by Super Shredder, and the massive amount of guards he has.

For the hundrenth time Shredder is the type of person who would sell his own species for murder.

I just said she was too emotional the idea of destroying Shredders crap was a good idea.

As for the last paragraph thats gonna happen regardless and the number of guards he has isn't going to be that massive after Karai destroyed the factory

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

So Tiger Claw already knew they were coming and they still blew up the factory and 2 how the hell would Donnie get hurt, the reason why he got hurt is because Leo didn't tell his brother what he was doing

If Leo had told them about what was going on. The other Turtles would have tried to convince him not to go or told him why he shouldn't follow Karai.

Leo had said that he felt he should involve his brother and Karai said his brothers weren't interested because they were too busy following what Splinter told them about vengeance being bad. Even if Leo and his brothers readily sided with Karai and her ideals, yeah they may have succeeded in this mission or the one after it but eventually sooner or later Donnie, or Mikey, or even Raph would have gotten hurt and possibly killed and Leo would blame himself for involving them.

Donnie got hurt this time because had seen the explosives that Karai had planted and automatically knew he had to get Mikey, Raph out of there and was seriously injured as a result. Leo saw Raph and Mikey carrying Donnie and is horrified that one of his brothers is badly injured and says he should have told his brothers what was going on. Even Karai is concerned when she learns Donatello had been injured.

However, she is still to blinded by her ambition and anger towards the Shredder to rationally see that she's playing a dangerous game and that she is out of her depth. For all Karai's bravado, she and Shini are barely able to survive on their own against Tiger Claw. And when Leo does show up to help her, her response is always "Why weren't you here five minutes ago?" Or "I had it handled!"

[Yoshimickster]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

For the hundrenth time Shredder is the type of person who would sell his own species for murder.

I just said she was too emotional the idea of destroying Shredders crap was a good idea.

As for the last paragraph thats gonna happen regardless and the number of guards he has isn't going to be that massive after Karai destroyed the factory

True, but its still best not to poke the hornet's nest.

Okay I want you to look at your second sentence, what is it missing there?

Yes, because there's NO WAY he doesn't have another factory. Once again, RECON!

[lonewarrior20]

i really enjoyed this one. can't wait for next weeks. at least we're finding out about more of karais abilities. as for everyone talking about the move splinter did to incapacitate shredder, maybe it was a secret hamato version of the death touch, since them having to give shredder mutagen to try and heal him. also i wonder how much karais ninjas are getting paid. i really want to see a scene of one of the ninjas saying this.
ninja: we're only fighting you because we're payed to.
rocksteady: you got payed?

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

If Leo had told them about what was going on. The other Turtles would have tried to convince him not to go or told him why he shouldn't follow Karai.

Leo had said that he felt he should involve his brother and Karai said his brothers weren't interested because they were too busy following what Splinter told them about vengeance being bad. Even if Leo and his brothers readily sided with Karai and her ideals, yeah they may have succeeded in this mission or the one after it but eventually sooner or later Donnie, or Mikey, or even Raph would have gotten hurt and possibly killed and Leo would blame himself for involving them.

Donnie got hurt this time because had seen the explosives that Karai had planted and automatically knew he had to get Mikey, Raph out of there and was seriously injured as a result. Leo saw Raph and Mikey carrying Donnie and is horrified that one of his brothers is badly injured and says he should have told his brothers what was going on. Even Karai is concerned when she learns Donatello had been injured.

However, she is still to blinded by her ambition and anger towards the Shredder to rationally see that she's playing a dangerous game and that she is out of her depth. For all Karai's bravado, she and Shini are barely able to survive on their own against Tiger Claw. And when Leo does show up to help her, her response is always "Why weren't you here five minutes ago?" Or "I had it handled!"

Again at least he could've told them what he was doing or stay away from certain factories or building because Karai was bombing them. Also so what if they get hurt they fight dangerous people and get hurt all the time hell Leatherhead is an ally and he badly injures Donnie even when more than the Foot does

And again all the more reason the Hamato clan should have helped Karai

Originally Posted by Yoshimickster

True, but its still best not to poke the hornet's nest.

Okay I want you to look at your second sentence, what is it missing there?

Yes, because there's NO WAY he doesn't have another factory. Once again, RECON!

Or what Shredder will spend his ever waking life killing the Hamato clan.

Dude this is an Internet Forum, run on sentences aren't that much of a problem just be happy I can spell "fueling" correctly

All the more reason to continue bombing factories.

[Powder]

Much better than last week, & a decent episode overall, but as Aaronardo said, there were still some similarly questionable aspects. Things that felt a bit out of character, or were handled poorly. I do really like the general idea of taking down all of Shredder's stuff from the inside out, certain character beats, Leo's look, etc.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

Again at least he could've told them what he was doing or stay away from certain factories or building because Karai was bombing them. Also so what if they get hurt they fight dangerous people and get hurt all the time hell Leatherhead is an ally and he badly injures Donnie even when more than the Foot does

And again all the more reason the Hamato clan should have helped Karai

If he had told them Karai was going after Places that were fronts for the Shredder, the others would have told him they need to stop her not help her.

Splinter had also told the turtles that as Ninja they need to stay in the shadows. Karai setting explosives or fires to take out the Shredder's facilities would only draw attention to them and of course the question of who is causing them. And regardless of their involvement or not, the Turtles would eventually be seen and held suspect simply because they were in the area or whatever circomstances such as the Turtle Van or ShellRaiser being seen leaving these areas one too many times.

[lonewarrior20]

speaking of the turtle van do you think its in a police impound lot after this episode?

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

If he had told them Karai was going after Places that were fronts for the Shredder, the others would have told him they need to stop her not help her.

Splinter had also told the turtles that as Ninja they need to stay in the shadows. Karai setting explosives or fires to take out the Shredder's facilities would only draw attention to them and of course the question of who is causing them. And regardless of their involvement or not, the Turtles would eventually be seen and held suspect simply because they were in the area or whatever circomstances such as the Turtle Van or ShellRaiser being seen leaving these areas one too many times.

Would they, so far they didn't really cared about Karai blowing crap up until they notice Leo was gone

Also Splinter also said "Do lots of harm" and what do you mean held suspect so far barely anyone knows they exist and its not like they have a reputation.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by lonewarrior20

speaking of the turtle van do you think its in a police impound lot after this episode?

I'd bet we'll see it again soon without any explanation for how they got it back.

[LeotheLateBloomer]

Not a bad episode. Much better than last week's. I would have liked a scene showing how Karai asked Leo for help before she and Shini sneak into the temple. Still pretty enjoyable. Is this the first time this series borrowed from IDW?

[ToTheNines]

Someone needs to make a senpai meme of Shinigami lol.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

Would they, so far they didn't really cared about Karai blowing crap up until they notice Leo was gone

Also Splinter also said "Do lots of harm" and what do you mean held suspect so far barely anyone knows they exist and its not like they have a reputation.

In a way it parallels the ending of rise of the turtles part 2.

In that episode the turtles left a Ninja star behind which was recovered by the police and there was a fluff piece about ninja in New York on the news. Splinter tells his sons that such carelessness could have far reaching consiquences. To which Raph scoffs and says "what is the worst that could happen?" And soon after Shredder comes to New York.

The turtles have been exposed to the city before and while that one time has been brushed off as a group of kids playing dress up. There is a Humans vs. Mutants arc that will be coming up some point in this season or next

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Ninjinister

Shoulda donated that shiz to charity at least

Quite right! Mirage Turtles totally would have done something like that... at least the Volume 4 era. Maybe a Marine Wildlife foundation or something?

[CyberCubed]

So unless I missed it, was any explanation of Leo's black bandana stated?

[Jester]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

So unless I missed it, was any explanation of Leo's black bandana stated?

Stealth?

Seriously, there was no in-episode explanation.

[GoldMutant]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

So unless I missed it, was any explanation of Leo's black bandana stated?

Besides saying Leo's done it for a while, (not specified though how long and it's time period after City at War) no explanation present.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Great episode that I enjoyed but on a wider note, I think its great to see Karai in action as an ally of the turtles and Splinter, something which I wanted to see very badly ever since "Showdown"

[Darth Knuckles]

Another good episode I thought. So are we now to believe that Shinigami can not transform into a cat and that she just owns a cat since we see her with one in Shredder's old hideout? That's what I'm taking from that scene. And even Shinigami's bats seemed to disappear more abruptly than I remember them doing last time. So maybe she's just more of an illusionist than an actual witch in reality. I'm totally fine with that too if that's what their going for.

I also liked the Nightwatcher reference from the 2007 movie. I was totally thinking that during the episode anyway so it makes sense that they would mention it themselves. By the way, does anyone have a big banner/screenshot of the new hero/villain "crawl" they show in the new opening during the theme song?

[Ninjinister]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

Quite right! Mirage Turtles totally would have done something like that... at least the Volume 4 era. Maybe a Marine Wildlife foundation or something?

Sounds like more of an Archie thing ha ha