Gotham Showrunner is an Idiot?

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-26-2016, 12:11 PM

http://screenrant.com/gotham-bruno-h...uperheroes-tv/

"I don’t think superheroes work very well on TV, probably because of the costume thing. … TV is about real people and faces, and not so much about magic and the supernatural things."

I find this incredibly hypocritical. I've made no bones about my disgust for this show. Maybe if he didn't want to tell a superhero story, he should try focusing on a grounded believable GCPD-focused story. But I guess that's too hard for him.

But hey, somebody tell The Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Supergirl that superheroes don't work very well on TV.

*snake* · 08-26-2016, 12:13 PM

Wow. An idiot for sure. The main problem is budget though. And for me, no show except maybe the flash really feels like an actual comic book.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-26-2016, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by snake

Wow. An idiot for sure. The main problem is budget though. And for me, no show except maybe the flash really feels like an actual comic book.

I don't like Supergirl myself, and I had serious issues with Legends of Tomorrow. But the characters are not the problem; the costumes and "real people and faces" are not the problem.

His points are absurd. And his show is absurd. Blaming "superheroes" for his supervillains-heavy Schumacher/Burton "Gorbatman" show reeks of desperation.

*Andrew NDB* · 08-26-2016, 01:47 PM

I have no idea who this guy is or what his show is about. I think all of Batman's villains becoming the villains while he's a 10 year old? And I think I read Harley's joining the show now? Dunno, it all sounds pretty ass to me. Do people actually dig it?

*BubblyShell22* · 08-26-2016, 01:51 PM

I liked the show in season one, but season two got out of control for me, so I gave up on it. But what he says is really stupid anyway. Superhero shows do work if done correctly and he's going about it the wrong way.

*snake* · 08-26-2016, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I have no idea who this guy is or what his show is about. I think all of Batman's villains becoming the villains while he's a 10 year old? And I think I read Harley's joining the show now? Dunno, it all sounds pretty ass to me. Do people actually dig it?

I watched the first 6 episodes or so. Didn't stick with me. I just want a new batman show.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-26-2016, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I have no idea who this guy is or what his show is about. I think all of Batman's villains becoming the villains while he's a 10 year old? And I think I read Harley's joining the show now? Dunno, it all sounds pretty ass to me. Do people actually dig it?

The first few episodes had some promise with Gordon, Bullock, Fish Mooney, and Penguin. But it just kept getting weirder and weirder...

Think the bastard offspring of Schumacher and Burton, with every possible Batman enemy (Ivy, Riddler, Azrael, Order of Saint Dumas, Hugo Strange, Clayface, Hatter...) coming to fruition before Bruce even hits puberty.

It's astonishing how bad it is. Is this what Superman fans had to deal with when Smallville was a thing?

*Candy Kappa* · 08-26-2016, 02:08 PM

The episodes I've seen of season 1 have been pretty fun. Gordon dealing with the corruption in the GCPD, Penguin's rise in power. And the best part, a rough and tumble Alfred.

*snake* · 08-26-2016, 02:12 PM

Did they kill off Fish Mooney yet? She was kind of interesting

*plastroncafe* · 08-26-2016, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

It's astonishing how bad it is. Is this what Superman fans had to deal with when Smallville was a thing?

Maybe towards the middle of its run, but I really dug the first few seasons of Smallville, and heard that the final few were excellent as well.

Of course....I'm not a Supes fan so mileage is certainly going to vary on this one.

I haven't seen any of Gotham, since it wasn't Gotham Central I never felt a need to watch.

*snake* · 08-26-2016, 02:16 PM

Big superman fan. Not a fan of Smallvile at all. I guess it's entertaining if you're into drama but if you're looking for a Superman show, you're in the wrong place. My ideal show would be Superman, Lois, and Jonathan living as a family, basically adapting the current rebirth story into a tv show.

*Powder* · 08-26-2016, 02:17 PM

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Do people actually dig it?

Some people use poop as a lubricant, you can't judge the merit of something by whether or not people dig it.

*TheSkeletonMan939* · 08-26-2016, 02:17 PM

I can't believe people care one iota about Gotham. The writing is awful. I honestly don't understand why someone would be satisfied in writing something so stupid. You have a chance to get your script to be seen on screen by millions, and you write something as stupid as Gotham.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-26-2016, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

I can't believe people care one iota about Gotham. The writing is awful. I honestly don't understand why someone would be satisfied in writing something so stupid. You have a chance to get your script to be seen on screen by millions, and you write something as stupid as Gotham.

I can't believe you put so much time and effort into a "Not-Batman" Batman show. Just spend the extra money, kiss the asses you gotta kiss, and make a damn Batman show.

Go to that much trouble, do it right.

*TheSkeletonMan939* · 08-26-2016, 02:22 PM

The problem with making a Batman show is that it conflicts with their DC cinematic universe. You have to appeal to the lowest common denominator with these things.
People can't be trusted to understand that there's 'movie Batman' and 'TV Batman'.

*Candy Kappa* · 08-26-2016, 02:25 PM

But there's a TV Superman and a Movie Superman...

*TheSkeletonMan939* · 08-26-2016, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

But there's a TV Superman and a Movie Superman...

Only because the CWVerse is enough of its own thing (they have like five shows now, right?) that they're slowly allowing elements from the films to bleed into that.
With a standalone show like Gotham, I don't think they're confident enough to do that. Partly because they might be worried a TV Batman could outclass the movie Batman.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-26-2016, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

But there's a TV Superman and a Movie Superman...

So let's cancel Gotham and start a new Batman show! I wish...

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Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

The problem with making a Batman show is that it conflicts with their DC cinematic universe. You have to appeal to the lowest common denominator with these things.
People can't be trusted to understand that there's 'movie Batman' and 'TV Batman'.

I've never bought that argument. Do even executives believe that anymore? I mean, it must be the reason but it makes no sense.

If DC thought for a minute they could do a Batman live-action show, they'd do a Batman live-action show. It's called printing money. Instead of having Benjamin Franklin on the bills, they have Bruce Wayne.

*snake* · 08-26-2016, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

The problem with making a Batman show is that it conflicts with their DC cinematic universe. You have to appeal to the lowest common denominator with these things.
People can't be trusted to understand that there's 'movie Batman' and 'TV Batman'.

Nah. The types of people that would ask that question wouldn't even watch the TV show and the ones that do can understand the concept of movies and tv. People don't get confused with all the TMNT variations.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-26-2016, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

Only because the CWVerse is enough of its own thing (they have like five shows now, right?) that they're slowly allowing elements from the films to bleed into that.
With a standalone show like Gotham, I don't think they're confident enough to do that. Partly because they might be worried a TV Batman could outclass the movie Batman.

CW is up to four in active development (Flash, Arrow, Legends of Tomorrow, Supergirl) with a fifth (Constantine) retroactively brought into continuity.

I don't think they need to worry about conflicting Batmans. They're going forward with competing Flashes and Supermen now.

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Originally Posted by snake

Nah. The types of people that would ask that question wouldn't even watch the TV show and the ones that do can understand the concept of movies and tv. People don't get confused with all the TMNT variations.

Yeah, agreed. I think this is an argument only the executives (at the most) believe.

08-26-2016, 12:11 PM	#1
CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy Annalist Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 16,435	Gotham Showrunner is an Idiot? http://screenrant.com/gotham-bruno-h...uperheroes-tv/ "I don’t think superheroes work very well on TV, probably because of the costume thing. … TV is about real people and faces, and not so much about magic and the supernatural things." I find this incredibly hypocritical. I've made no bones about my disgust for this show. Maybe if he didn't want to tell a superhero story, he should try focusing on a grounded believable GCPD-focused story. But I guess that's too hard for him. But hey, somebody tell The Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Supergirl that superheroes don't work very well on TV. __________________ *ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED*

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Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,558	I have no idea who this guy is or what his show is about. I think all of Batman's villains becoming the villains while he's a 10 year old? And I think I read Harley's joining the show now? Dunno, it all sounds pretty ass to me. Do people actually dig it? __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

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BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	I liked the show in season one, but season two got out of control for me, so I gave up on it. But what he says is really stupid anyway. Superhero shows do work if done correctly and he's going about it the wrong way. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

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Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	The episodes I've seen of season 1 have been pretty fun. Gordon dealing with the corruption in the GCPD, Penguin's rise in power. And the best part, a rough and tumble Alfred. __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

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Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	But there's a TV Superman and a Movie Superman... __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

08-26-2016, 12:13 PM	#2
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	Wow. An idiot for sure. The main problem is budget though. And for me, no show except maybe the flash really feels like an actual comic book.

08-26-2016, 02:12 PM	#9
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	Did they kill off Fish Mooney yet? She was kind of interesting

08-26-2016, 02:16 PM	#11
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	Big superman fan. Not a fan of Smallvile at all. I guess it's entertaining if you're into drama but if you're looking for a Superman show, you're in the wrong place. My ideal show would be Superman, Lois, and Jonathan living as a family, basically adapting the current rebirth story into a tv show.

08-26-2016, 02:17 PM	#13
TheSkeletonMan939 A New Day, A New Headache Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Over there Posts: 3,963	I can't believe people care one iota about Gotham. The writing is awful. I honestly don't understand why someone would be satisfied in writing something so stupid. You have a chance to get your script to be seen on screen by millions, and you write something as stupid as Gotham.

08-26-2016, 02:22 PM	#15
TheSkeletonMan939 A New Day, A New Headache Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Over there Posts: 3,963	The problem with making a Batman show is that it conflicts with their DC cinematic universe. You have to appeal to the lowest common denominator with these things. People can't be trusted to understand that there's 'movie Batman' and 'TV Batman'.