Why do you all want the same movie over and over? - Page 2

*plastroncafe* · 08-26-2016, 01:36 PM

I don't think it's a matter of screen time or focus, but rather just giving the characters something to do.

We get a lot of development from Mike in that first movie, and he's nowhere near the focus.

*snake* · 08-26-2016, 01:37 PM

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I don't think it's a matter of screen time or focus, but rather just giving the characters something to do.

We get a lot of development from Mike in that first movie, and he's nowhere near the focus.

Most people think that developement=screentime for some reason

*plastroncafe* · 08-26-2016, 01:41 PM

This is why we have the Sexy Lamp Test.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-26-2016, 01:44 PM

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DOFP is a good example for sure. I still like my idea best though

At the moment, I honestly don't trust that a GOOD Ninja Turtles movie would ever get a sequel. Go the Christopher Nolan route and go all out with one movie, then come up with a sequel later. Don't leave stuff on the table for later with the assumption of "Eh, Mikey will get plenty of time to shine in a threequel..." Make necessary things happen NOW.

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I'm highly biased here, in that I really don't usually like how Leo is written. For the most part I find him, and many characters like him, boring and uncompelling.

I didn't really start to appreciate Leo as a character until the 2k7 movie, where for the first time I got to see him as a perfectionist with an ego the size of the Empire State. That's when I started going back and reviewing other version of him and being a bit more entertained by him.

So yeah...to lose out on the character development of Leo getting taken down some notches dulls him a bit for me.

I can see why it was done, narrative wise, but...I'd really like some incarnation to give us a reason why Leo is the leader. Show us, not just tell us.

You joke about Fox, but I'll be honest: She and Raph were about the only saving graces that movie had.

I love Leo; when he's burdened by the choices they've already made in "City at War" and wondering what it's all coming to... or when he's struggling with nobody to lead in Mirage Volume 2. But yeah, we really need to be SHOWN that Leo is the leader.

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Most people think that developement=screentime for some reason

This is quite true. It's just easy to use the terms interchangably.

I'll argue that Cap gets NO development in the Avengers movie. He's just there in a terrible suit throwing his shield around. I really hate when Whedon writes Cap...

*snake* · 08-26-2016, 01:47 PM

But Nolan planned a batman trilogy. I get what you mean though. Space out the sequels.

*snake* · 08-26-2016, 01:48 PM

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This is why we have the Sexy Lamp Test.

I think I just found a nickname for Nick Mona Lisa

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-26-2016, 01:52 PM

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But Nolan planned a batman trilogy. I get what you mean though. Space out the sequels.

More like, don't use hoped-for sequels as a crutch. You can't leave a major character out on a limb saying "Don't worry, we'll take care of him in a movie or two."

*snake* · 08-26-2016, 01:55 PM

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More like, don't use hoped-for sequels as a crutch. You can't leave a major character out on a limb saying "Don't worry, we'll take care of him in a movie or two."

I getchu. Hate that sh*t. Everyone's trying to hop on the MCU train and it doesn't work. Certain stuff needs to be paced out though. If you want to do an origin story in movie one, that's great. But don't try to cram everything in there, like Utroms, Bebop/Rocksteady, all that good stuff needs to be built up or you can have a 3 hour runtime. It's all about having a focused story.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-26-2016, 02:01 PM

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I getchu. Hate that sh*t. Everyone's trying to hop on the MCU train and it doesn't work. Certain stuff needs to be paced out though. If you want to do an origin story in movie one, that's great. But don't try to cram everything in there, like Utroms, Bebop/Rocksteady, all that good stuff needs to be built up or you can have a 3 hour runtime. It's all about having a focused story.

Exactly. Movies don't get to do an entire season's worth of characters and plots. Pick one or two that work well together and present a focused story, and DO IT.

Basically, if you worry that your film might be compared to Batman & Robin or Amazing Spiderman 2, DON'T DO IT.

*Bry* · 08-26-2016, 05:49 PM

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It seems all anyone wants when it comes to a new TMNT movie is Shredder and the Origin story. Why do you all want the same thing over and over again? Haven't we learned anything from spider-man and being force fed the green goblin?

There's a big difference between the Shredder and the Green Goblin. In TMNT, The Shredder is part of the story's foundation. He's irrevocably tied into what forms the emotional core of the concept and the chain of events that lead to the Turtles' origin. Cutting him out or significantly altering him (like BayTurtles did) breaks the entire story.

He's also their "main" nemesis, yes, but his position in the foundation of the origin isn't the same situation as, say, the Green Goblin or the Joker. A better comparison is this: taking the Shredder out of the origin is like taking out the radioactive spider for Spider-Man or the mugger in the alley for Batman. He's what gives them their motivation and makes the story happen. You really have to start there, and any version that doesn't get that step right tends to fall flat on its face.

*turtlefanforever* · 08-26-2016, 07:21 PM

doesn't mean they need to fight the same villain and tell the same story over and over again. MANY other stories to be told and villains to fight

*snake* · 08-26-2016, 07:32 PM

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doesn't mean they need to fight the same villain and tell the same story over and over again. MANY other stories to be told and villains to fight

You still need to establish Shredder as the big villain before moving on. He's as essential to tmnt as April, Splinter, or Casey.

*Anarchistguy* · 08-26-2016, 07:33 PM

Problem is: to the causal movie watcher, you cant have a tmnt movie without shredder. If they make a shredder-less movie, the casuals and critics will tear it apart and said movie will lose money.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-26-2016, 07:34 PM

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You still need to establish Shredder as the big villain before moving on. He's as essential to tmnt as April, Splinter, or Casey.

He's MORE essential to TMNT than Casey and April.

*snake* · 08-26-2016, 07:35 PM

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Problem is: to the causal movie watcher, you cant have a tmnt movie without shredder. If they make a shredder-less movie, the casuals and critics will eat it alive.

If you're going to start a new tmnt film incarnation, you start with Shredder. No "setting up for a sequel" bullsh*t. MYSELF included would be pissed if they only hinted towards Shredder.

2007 gets a pass because it can take place after the 1990 continuty if you ignore the comics. And that took place in a world where the turtles already fought him. Point is, it wasn't an origin story.

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-26-2016, 07:36 PM

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If you're going to start a new tmnt film incarnation, you start with Shredder. No "setting up for a sequel" bullsh*t. MYSELF included would be pissed if they only hinted towards Shredder.

You've gotta explain where four giant mutant turtles came from and why they're ninjas.

You can't explain why they're ninjas without Shredder.

*snake* · 08-26-2016, 07:39 PM

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You've gotta explain where four giant mutant turtles came from and why they're ninjas.

You can't explain why they're ninjas without Shredder.

Yep, yep.

I have to say though, a day ago or two someone posted the idea of Hamato Yoshi being a villain and that's probably the coolest story idea I've heard. If done properly, that would be a great twist in the sequel (or at the end of the first).

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-26-2016, 07:40 PM

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Yep, yep.

I have to say though, someone posted the idea of Hamato Yoshi being a villain and that's probably the coolest idea I've heard. If done properly, that would be a great twist in the sequel (or at the end of the first).

Agreed. That would be a fresh and original spin on an old idea. If done well, as brilliant a new take as Karai being Hamato Yoshi's biological daughter twisted by Shredder, or the Turtles and Splinter being reincarnated.

*snake* · 08-26-2016, 07:43 PM

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Agreed. That would be a fresh and original spin on an old idea. If done well, as brilliant a new take as Karai being Hamato Yoshi's biological daughter twisted by Shredder, or the Turtles and Splinter being reincarnated.

I don't know if the reincarnation story could fit in with properly with the Hamato Yoshi twist. How would you do that?

*CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy* · 08-26-2016, 07:51 PM

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I don't know if the reincarnation story could fit in with properly with the Hamato Yoshi twist. How would you do that?

No no no. I'm not saying mix them; I'm saying the impact of such a good new idea (if done well) would be equivalent to the impact of good new ideas like Miwa and reincarnated Yoshi clan.

08-26-2016, 07:21 PM	#31
turtlefanforever Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 3,098	So? doesn't mean they need to fight the same villain and tell the same story over and over again. MANY other stories to be told and villains to fight

08-26-2016, 07:33 PM	#33
Anarchistguy Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada (This country is too peaceful, Something's up...) Posts: 2,137	Problem is: to the causal movie watcher, you cant have a tmnt movie without shredder. If they make a shredder-less movie, the casuals and critics will tear it apart and said movie will lose money. __________________ M.D.K. Maim! Destroy! Kill!!! "When my time comes, I wanna be buried face down, so those who don't like me can kiss my ass!"

08-26-2016, 01:47 PM	#25
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	But Nolan planned a batman trilogy. I get what you mean though. Space out the sequels.