![]() |
|
|
#21 | ||
|
PerfectlyTunedFightEngine
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: The Upsidedown
Posts: 7,926
|
I don't think it's a matter of screen time or focus, but rather just giving the characters something to do.
We get a lot of development from Mike in that first movie, and he's nowhere near the focus.
__________________
------------------------------------------------------ Quote:
Quote:
|
||
|
|
|
|
|
#22 |
|
Disgusting
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Outer Heaven
Posts: 12,231
|
Most people think that developement=screentime for some reason
|
|
|
|
|
|
#23 | ||
|
PerfectlyTunedFightEngine
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: The Upsidedown
Posts: 7,926
|
This is why we have the Sexy Lamp Test.
__________________
------------------------------------------------------ Quote:
Quote:
|
||
|
|
|
|
|
#24 | |
|
Annalist
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 16,435
|
At the moment, I honestly don't trust that a GOOD Ninja Turtles movie would ever get a sequel. Go the Christopher Nolan route and go all out with one movie, then come up with a sequel later. Don't leave stuff on the table for later with the assumption of "Eh, Mikey will get plenty of time to shine in a threequel..." Make necessary things happen NOW.
Quote:
This is quite true. It's just easy to use the terms interchangably. I'll argue that Cap gets NO development in the Avengers movie. He's just there in a terrible suit throwing his shield around. I really hate when Whedon writes Cap...
__________________
ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#25 |
|
Disgusting
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Outer Heaven
Posts: 12,231
|
But Nolan planned a batman trilogy. I get what you mean though. Space out the sequels.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#26 | |
|
Disgusting
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Outer Heaven
Posts: 12,231
|
Quote:
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#27 |
|
Annalist
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 16,435
|
More like, don't use hoped-for sequels as a crutch. You can't leave a major character out on a limb saying "Don't worry, we'll take care of him in a movie or two."
__________________
ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED
|
|
|
|
|
|
#28 |
|
Disgusting
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Outer Heaven
Posts: 12,231
|
I getchu. Hate that sh*t. Everyone's trying to hop on the MCU train and it doesn't work. Certain stuff needs to be paced out though. If you want to do an origin story in movie one, that's great. But don't try to cram everything in there, like Utroms, Bebop/Rocksteady, all that good stuff needs to be built up or you can have a 3 hour runtime. It's all about having a focused story.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#29 | |
|
Annalist
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 16,435
|
Quote:
Basically, if you worry that your film might be compared to Batman & Robin or Amazing Spiderman 2, DON'T DO IT.
__________________
ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#30 | |
|
So Long, Stinktown!
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Canada
Posts: 3,463
|
Quote:
He's also their "main" nemesis, yes, but his position in the foundation of the origin isn't the same situation as, say, the Green Goblin or the Joker. A better comparison is this: taking the Shredder out of the origin is like taking out the radioactive spider for Spider-Man or the mugger in the alley for Batman. He's what gives them their motivation and makes the story happen. You really have to start there, and any version that doesn't get that step right tends to fall flat on its face.
__________________
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#31 |
|
Foot Elite
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 3,098
|
So?
doesn't mean they need to fight the same villain and tell the same story over and over again. MANY other stories to be told and villains to fight
|
|
|
|
|
|
#32 |
|
Disgusting
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Outer Heaven
Posts: 12,231
|
You still need to establish Shredder as the big villain before moving on. He's as essential to tmnt as April, Splinter, or Casey.
|
|
|
|
|
|
#33 |
|
Mad Scientist
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Canada (This country is too peaceful, Something's up...)
Posts: 2,137
|
Problem is: to the causal movie watcher, you cant have a tmnt movie without shredder. If they make a shredder-less movie, the casuals and critics will tear it apart and said movie will lose money.
__________________
M.D.K. Maim! Destroy! Kill!!! ![]() "When my time comes, I wanna be buried face down, so those who don't like me can kiss my ass!" |
|
|
|
|
|
#34 | |
|
Annalist
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 16,435
|
Quote:
__________________
ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#35 | |
|
Disgusting
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Outer Heaven
Posts: 12,231
|
Quote:
2007 gets a pass because it can take place after the 1990 continuty if you ignore the comics. And that took place in a world where the turtles already fought him. Point is, it wasn't an origin story. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
#36 | |
|
Annalist
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 16,435
|
Quote:
You can't explain why they're ninjas without Shredder.
__________________
ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
#37 | |
|
Disgusting
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Outer Heaven
Posts: 12,231
|
Quote:
I have to say though, a day ago or two someone posted the idea of Hamato Yoshi being a villain and that's probably the coolest story idea I've heard. If done properly, that would be a great twist in the sequel (or at the end of the first). |
|
|
|
|
|
|
#38 |
|
Annalist
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 16,435
|
Agreed. That would be a fresh and original spin on an old idea. If done well, as brilliant a new take as Karai being Hamato Yoshi's biological daughter twisted by Shredder, or the Turtles and Splinter being reincarnated.
__________________
ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED
|
|
|
|
|
|
#39 |
|
Disgusting
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Outer Heaven
Posts: 12,231
|
I don't know if the reincarnation story could fit in with properly with the Hamato Yoshi twist. How would you do that?
|
|
|
|
|
|
#40 |
|
Annalist
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 16,435
|
No no no. I'm not saying mix them; I'm saying the impact of such a good new idea (if done well) would be equivalent to the impact of good new ideas like Miwa and reincarnated Yoshi clan.
__________________
ALL THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED
|
|
|
|
![]() |
|
|