Gotham Showrunner is an Idiot?

[Wesley]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Just chiming in with my two cents but Gotham isn't really about the villains AS villains, it's about how they GOT that way. Same with Batman. It's an origin show with emphasis on the seedy characters of Gotham. It's equal parts Suicide Squad and Smallville, but much more history-driven than Smallville was. The characters have grown and changed. Sure some episodes are a little weird( the guy killing people with the balloon chairs) but it's more about the journey than where they all end up. We know what they WILL become, the show just leads us along the way. I like it- it's different enough to be interesting, and they've done some really neat takes on some of my favorite characters.

Agreed. Gotham isn't one of the best shows out there, but I think it is interesting to watch. Also, I like how it has explored ideas such as moral ambiguity.

[BubblyShell22]

Snake, Fish was killed at the end of season one which was a shame as I really liked her and thought she had promise. Same thing happened with Jerome who I thought they could have developed more and thought he was going to be the Joker. I tried to stay with it after that, but I lost interest and just don't care about it anymore.

I think it would have been better if season one had started with young Bruce and then have the other seasons with Bruce as older and just starting to become Batman and his vow to rid the city of crime and to find his parents' killer.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Who cares? It doesn't belong in a show about Young Bruce.

Bruce isn't even really the main character though. Gordon is. And Bullock, Penguin, and THEN Bruce. He's not Batman YET- he's just a piece of the puzzle that makes up Gotham City. Most of the show revolves around Jim and the GCPD.

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Snake, Fish was killed at the end of season one which was a shame as I really liked her and thought she had promise. Same thing happened with Jerome who I thought they could have developed more and thought he was going to be the Joker. I tried to stay with it after that, but I lost interest and just don't care about it anymore.

I think it would have been better if season one had started with young Bruce and then have the other seasons with Bruce as older and just starting to become Batman and his vow to rid the city of crime and to find his parents' killer.

As the last couple of episodes of season two revealed, Fish is NOT dead. Well, she WAS, but she got better- courtesy of Hugo and his freak-show lab experiments. She even has powers now. And what you suggested is EXACTLY what the show is doing. Bruce IS growing up, getting older and becoming Batman- he already found the cave and his dad's secret files- but it is a long journey and it doesn't happen overnight. It's already been two years in world. But again, the show is GOTHAM- not Batman Begins. It is about the city and it's problems as much as it is about him. More so, even. Maybe it should have been called GCPD, but that's really just semantics. I like what they've done, and now with so many of the future villains now loose, I think we will see more of Bruce's involvement as the new season progresses. He's not there yet, but he's learning. And showing some of the fearlessness and intelligence that make Batman later.

[CyberCubed]

Gotham sucks. When its canceled I'll do a little dance with a jig.

[ranger_scout]

As I stated in another topic I gave up on Gotham after four episodes in its first season. I found all of the adult female characters in season one except for Jada Pinkett Smith's horribly written. It was also completely stupid of the writers and creators to have a love-triangle between Jim, Barbara, and Renee at the very beginning of a new series. It was so forced and sloppy. I later read that the show is now all about villains and everyone is miserable. Why would zi want to tune into a show like that now after going through some emotional struggles in the late winter and early spring of this year. What the show-runner says here proves that I was to stop watching it.

[BubblyShell22]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Bruce isn't even really the main character though. Gordon is. And Bullock, Penguin, and THEN Bruce. He's not Batman YET- he's just a piece of the puzzle that makes up Gotham City. Most of the show revolves around Jim and the GCPD.





As the last couple of episodes of season two revealed, Fish is NOT dead. Well, she WAS, but she got better- courtesy of Hugo and his freak-show lab experiments. She even has powers now. And what you suggested is EXACTLY what the show is doing. Bruce IS growing up, getting older and becoming Batman- he already found the cave and his dad's secret files- but it is a long journey and it doesn't happen overnight. It's already been two years in world. But again, the show is GOTHAM- not Batman Begins. It is about the city and it's problems as much as it is about him. More so, even. Maybe it should have been called GCPD, but that's really just semantics. I like what they've done, and now with so many of the future villains now loose, I think we will see more of Bruce's involvement as the new season progresses. He's not there yet, but he's learning. And showing some of the fearlessness and intelligence that make Batman later.

Well, that's fine, but they should have brought her back sooner. I'm still not going to watch it anymore. I'd rather watch wrestling since that's getting interesting again. Only reason I watched Gotham was because I was curious about it and WWE just wasn't that good at the time for me to invest three hours to watch it. Now that has changed.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

You probably stopped watching too soon, then. They've had hints and glimpses of her returning several times over season two- as part of Hugo's "menagerie". It was also known from some interviews that she gave that she would be coming back.

[raph27]

So Gotham never got any better? I quit after the pilot episode when they were being so stupidly obvious about which Batman villains the characters would turn into.

Whatever. I've been trying to catch up with the CWverse (I've seen seasons 1-3 of Arrow and the first seasons of Flash and Supergirl, now starting on Arrow S4 and Flash S2) and it's blown away my expectations. Why on earth is DC's universe made of a couple small TV shows great when their million dollar movie universe sucks?

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by raph27

So Gotham never got any better? I quit after the pilot episode when they were being so stupidly obvious about which Batman villains the characters would turn into.

Whatever. I've been trying to catch up with the CWverse (I've seen seasons 1-3 of Arrow and the first seasons of Flash and Supergirl, now starting on Arrow S4 and Flash S2) and it's blown away my expectations. Why on earth is DC's universe made of a couple small TV shows great when their million dollar movie universe sucks?

Arrow Season 4 is miserable, FYI. I'd advise calling it quits.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by snake

That's why I like animated shows. Not only could you do more story wise, but NO ONE is going to think people won't be able to tell the difference between cartoon Superman and movie Superman

Right?

To be fair they actually did this back in the JL cartoon - only Batman appeared as the rights for all the others were tied up with The Batman cartoon and even that had certain characters embargoed due to their use in the Nolan films at the time.

Totally stupid situation which, thankfully, seems like it's ending now we're getting a new TV Superman. All it took was WB/Snyder screwing up their potential billion dollar franchise but at least the embargoes seem to be ending now

[BubblyShell22]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

You probably stopped watching too soon, then. They've had hints and glimpses of her returning several times over season two- as part of Hugo's "menagerie". It was also known from some interviews that she gave that she would be coming back.

Yeah, I probably did stop watching too soon. That's okay though. I have better things to watch now. But I hope you enjoy the next season.

[blindturtle02]

Originally Posted by Chris

To be fair they actually did this back in the JL cartoon - only Batman appeared as the rights for all the others were tied up with The Batman cartoon and even that had certain characters embargoed due to their use in the Nolan films at the time.

Totally stupid situation which, thankfully, seems like it's ending now we're getting a new TV Superman. All it took was WB/Snyder screwing up their potential billion dollar franchise but at least the embargoes seem to be ending now

Oh jeez, that bat embargo. I do not miss that! Glad they're doing Sups in both movie and TV universes. They need to do the same for Batman characters other than simply limiting them to Gotham.Seeing a few of them on Arrow has been cool, and I hope to see Batgirl in Supergirl if the rumors are true. I like the whole multiverse approach, if that's where the CW show runners are going.Glad they think viewers of both the movie and TV universes can grasp the infinite earths concept. I just hope things on the movie front eventually get better because I'd very much like to see a live action Darkseid before all is said and done. Just one Darkseid/Superman slugfest is all I ask.

[Chris]

Yeah, totally down with the multiverse! Audiences are smart enough to get it, especially these days.

Definitely want to Supermsn take on Darkseid on the big screen. Really surprised when they said Darkseid wasn't going to be the villain in JL, but at least we're building to him and in the mean time they can do some damage control/course correction for the movie Supermsn and it will be even more epic when they finally clash.

Only good thing to come out of that Bat embargo was Smallville. I'm enjoying Gotham for what it is but I just don't see it having the legs Smallville did. If they'd gone with a young Bruce series back in 2001 then we'd never have got Smallville and their version of Green Arrow which helped pave the way for Arrow and the multiverse that's followed.

[snake]

This thread honestly has the funniest title, especially since it's posed as a question

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by snake

This thread honestly has the funniest title, especially since it's posed as a question

Thank you, Snake.