Do you think this series will allow Karai X Leo to become canon?

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

No do you have any adoptive siblings/sisters

I didn't think so. I'd wager your feelings on the matter would change if you did.

And no, I don't. My sister is my "full sister". But I wouldn't have wanted to get intimate with her if I'd found out she was adopted at any point.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

I didn't think so. I'd wager your feelings on the matter would change if you did.

And no, I don't. My sister is my "full sister". But I wouldn't have wanted to get intimate with her if I'd found out she was adopted at any point.

So why would't your feelings on the matter change if your sister wasn't genetically related to you and I personally do have an adopted cousin(not sister so not really the same) and while I don't want to get intimate with her(I did have sort of a crush on her) I still don't see how someone who wants to bone their adoptive cousin to be THAT squicky

[ToTheNines]

Because the sibling bond runs way deeper than mere genetics. Which is kinda the point of TMNT, ironically.

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Because the sibling bond runs way deeper than mere genetics. Which is kinda the point of TMNT, ironically.

Sure the bond is there but bond doesn't really create inbreeds its the inbreeding part that I find squicky

[ToTheNines]

Lol... sooooo it's ok to **** your sister so long as you don't impregnate her?

[Dust]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

Sure the bond is there but bond doesn't really create inbreeds its the inbreeding part that I find squicky

No offense, but what you're saying is that if someone who grew up with you your entire life as a sister, it's still ok to bone them because they aren't blood related? Despite them sharing most of their life with you, sharing a brother/sister bond for so long? It's ok as the babies won't be ****ed up?
That's messed up man, really.

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Lol... sooooo it's ok to **** your sister so long as you don't impregnate her?

seems like that's what he's saying

[PApagreg]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Lol... sooooo it's ok to **** your sister so long as you don't impregnate her?

NAh the blood part still is still squicky

Originally Posted by Dust

No offense, but what you're saying is that if someone who grew up with you your entire life as a sister, it's still ok to bone them because they aren't blood related? Despite them sharing most of their life with you, sharing a brother/sister bond for so long? It's ok as the babies won't be That's messed up man, really.

You can say most of these things with the neighbor aspect hell who is to say two neighbors can't have that bond. I don't see how two neighbors can't have a sibling like bond regardless whether or not they live in the same house. Hell in most TMNT incarnations Casey and April are treated as older siblings to the turtles(well April was a little more motherly) and those two didn't spend most of their life in the sewers

[WebLurker]

Originally Posted by PApagreg

Sure the bond is there but bond doesn't really create inbreeds its the inbreeding part that I find squicky

I have siblings. Trust me, it's a creepy and gross idea.

[Ulisa]

Well, to be candid, there are several factors going on with Karai and Leo. As far as we know, there is no biological relation (though, given we aren't real sure how the mutagen works on a deep level, who can say for certain).

Given that they were not raised together, them being sexually/romantically attracted to one another could potentially make sense as the Westermarck effect or reverse sexual imprinting, is thought to be developed in the first six years of life for people reared together. So, in that case, it would not apply them.

But then, there's other psychological factors, namely the social taboo ones. Granted, the turtles aren't exposed to the normal social atmosphere but Splinter WAS human and has raised them using that mental template. Several societies have social taboos against people marrying certain people, even if they are not biologically related or adopted. Example, in older times, children who were nursed by the same woman were not allowed to marry. So, in this case, because Splinter views all the turtles and Karai/Miwa as his children, while there may not be a biological or even a legal barrier, there is a very strong psychological and social one.

[CyberCubed]

If this was an anime written in Japan where sibling incest is accepted it would have become canon. But since this is an American cartoon aimed at kids, no it will not.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

If this was an anime written in Japan where sibling incest is accepted it would have become canon. But since this is an American cartoon aimed at kids, no it will not.

I'm pretty sure tmnt in Japan would still be aimed at kids. And even if it wasn't, most Japanese I'm sure have decency and aren't fond of seeing a turtle/human-snake incest.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

If this was an anime written in Japan where sibling incest is accepted it would have become canon. But since this is an American cartoon aimed at kids, no it will not.

I seriously doubt that. Cousins, maybe, blood siblings, straight up no. I already mentioned Neji having a crush on his cousin Hinata from the Naruto series even though nothing came of it since even he knew it wasn't right. In Kuroshitsuji, Ciel is betrothed to his first cousin, Elizabeth, but it also takes place in Victorian England and both are from noble families...so that custom seemed to have been a thing at the time.

You know, I now recall a Detective Conan case. There was a couple. Both were in love and were going to marry. Unfortunately, the woman ended up dying in an accident. Of course they thought it was a murder and stuff.

Turns out that the couple were blood related, siblings. Both were orphaned and didn't know of one another's existence. She found out that they were siblings and had actually killed herself because she couldn't live with that and because she loved him in such a way and how taboo it was.

After finding out, he was very upset over the entire situation and wished that it had been under other circumstances, but admitted that he still romantically loved her, even if it was taboo.

Leo and Karai didn't grow up together and weren't raised as siblings so neither views one another as one. Her being human and his being a turtle would probably be more of an issue.

[Ashwolf]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

Leo and Karai didn't grow up together and weren't raised as siblings so neither views one another as one. Her being human and his being a turtle would probably be more of an issue.

exactly, besides even though karai may be considered splinters daughter in this version doesnt mean that its the same canon material all across the franchise

so whether leo and karai becomes official canon in this version or not, their interactions and so on already prove it is both in this version and in the 03 that its canon (official or not), despite the outcome of events, they are still considered 2 sides of the same coin in both shows and in some ways, end up drawing toward the other

[FredWolfLeonardo]

The reason why cousin crushes/couples are shown in anime and alot of other media is not because of a fascination with incest but rather because first cousin marriages are acceptable in Japan and most of the world. Its a pretty different world out there from the states, which is the only country in the west to ban first cousin marriages in certain states. Infact, cousin couples are not really considered incesteous for the vast majority of the world.

Sibling relationships and inter species on the other hand are almost universally condemned.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

The reason why cousin crushes/couples are shown in anime and alot of other media is not because of a fascination with incest but rather because first cousin marriages are acceptable in Japan and most of the world. Its a pretty different world out there from the states, which is the only country in the west to ban first cousin marriages in certain states. Infact, cousin couples are not really considered incesteous for the vast majority of the world.

Sibling relationships and inter species on the other hand are almost universally condemned.

I just thought of another scenario...Marmalade Boy. That situation was weird. It's about a high-school girl named Miki. She always felt that her parents were happy, but one day they took a vacation..a cruise iirc. They came back divorced and remarried to another couple on the cruise. I liked how Miki reacted to how unusual it was and how casual they were being.

Anyway, they moved into the house and now Miki had two sets of parents and a new stepbrother. They were the same age. Long story short, they fell for each other. Miki was very torn because she didn't see him as a brother, but they were now siblings. Yuu seemed to not care about that. They decided to date anyway.

Later on though (Miki is in university by this point), Yuu was worried. He found out that his mother had a relationship with another man before his father. The man in question was Miki's father. They were hoping that it was all a mistake. His mother confessed and told them that she did have a relationship with him, but that he wasn't his father and that the one she married (and divorced to get back with Miki's father) was his biological father. Both were super relieved to hear this and continued their relationship. Forgot how the manga ended.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

I dont know who they could pair Alopex with in this series

I dunno, does she need to be paired up? So far I think the only woman that has gone without becoming someone's crush has been the one that turned out to be a Kraang Droid. (Note to self, if a girl isn't a crush, be suspicious...)

Originally Posted by Metalwolf

^^^ Probably if there was a pairing, it would probably be with Leo.

Would definitely be something new for him, since (far as I know) historically in terms of the franchise he's really only ever been into humans. Not sure he's ever gone for, how should I say, a fluffy girl. They seem to be Raph's thing (along with lizard ladies), but I guess he's definitely spoken for. (I kinda like the idea of the Turtles still having a 'type' that appeals to them though.)

Originally Posted by victory_angel

Since Alopex it going to be played by Minae Noji who also played the voice of Tang Shen. What if she becomes a new love interest for Splinter?

I'd be curious about his thoughts on that if it kind of leaned in that direction, if Alopex is an adult character. Presuming this one was, unlike him, never human to start with, while he is still Yoshi on the inside.

[Metalwolf]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

I'd be curious about his thoughts on that if it kind of leaned in that direction, if Alopex is an adult character. Presuming this one was, unlike him, never human to start with, while he is still Yoshi on the inside.

Well, Alopex in this show had been human, but had been turned as a child. Would she still be mentally human? But it depends as much though what Splinter's into. If he's still mentally 'Yoshi' would he still want a human woman? Or if he's mentally 'Splinter,' would he want a mutant?

Although this does make me ponder something else...

If Splinter wanted a female companion, which would feel squicky? Him choosing a human woman, him choosing a woman who was turned into a mutant, or him choosing a mutant who had been an animal previously? Would it feel gross if a human-turned-mutant fell in love with a mutant who had previously been an animal?

[ToTheNines]

Everyone stop saying "squicky".

[FredWolfLeonardo]

I don't think Splinter would be in a relationship with anyone by this point. Not only because he's a mutant now but because he has come to terms with not having his wife anymore and is content with being the father figure to the turtles and Karai.

To Splinter, his current family feels complete to him so he probably has no desire to add to it. Besides, I can't imagine Alopex being a mom to the turtles

[Jephael]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Lol... sooooo it's ok to **** your sister so long as you don't impregnate her?