Brie Larson the frontrunner for Captain Marvel

[AT-Man]

Got tickets for the first screening in my town in March 6th. It's on 2D, so I'll likely go see it again later in 3D. Happy times!

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

that is just beyond pathetically sad on RT's part.

The funny thing too is that this might be the only legitimate time where a massive amount of people just went ahead downvoted a movie like this. I remember similar reports about people intending to do the same thing with the new Ghostbusters, the Last Jedi and Black Panther, but that did not actually happened in those cases. Ghostbusters had 92% interested ten days before release (thank you way back machine), Last Jedi 99% and Black Panther 97%. To be fair, Ghostbusters and Last Jedi did actually end up having low audience review scores but it's not exactly hard to find negative opinions of those movies outside Rotten Tomatoes.

Again, I doubt it would have mattered much wheter or not RT removed certain features so abruptly. It is still uniquely fascinating.

[Papenbrook]

Originally Posted by Leo656

This is all just theater. It's absolutely going to do better than Wonder Woman. It has everything that movie had insofar as being an "important" movie, PLUS a "Marvel" sticker on it.

I don't think it'll be bad, but even if it was, it really wouldn't matter. There's an automatic guaranteed return on these things. Even the "Ant-Man" movies made a good chunk of change, despite "Ant-Man" being right there in the title.

I don't plan to see it, but anyone expecting it to fail, or even be bad, is being silly. Marvel films generally aren't for me but it's not like they're incompetently made. They're entirely Populist Crowd-Pleasers designed in a focus group to achieve maximum impact across all demographics, and they succeed in that, every time out.

Like "Black Panther", I expect that they've gone the extra mile to insulate the project from any and all criticism, but that even without that it will do fine.

Exactly.

People really need to get a hold of themselves. It's not gonna flop, or even underperform, just because y'all want it to.

So stop trying to downgrade and ruin it. In other words, don't spoil it for others.

[Autbot_Benz]

oh boy so its Captain Censorship now regarding Rotten Tomatoes. Just keep giving me reasons not to see this movie.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

oh boy so its Captain Censorship now regarding Rotten Tomatoes. Just keep giving me reasons not to see this movie.

I'm gonna see it regardless. I think Rotten Tomatoes is doing the right thing. a lot of the times and not just with Captain Marvel but other movies. There are fake reviews or posts. and its usually by trolls. There's no way of knowing what is real and what isn't.

Some are arguing that they are silencing the critics. But in reality. They are trying to remove the fake reviews which are usually from trolls who are review bombing. and you see that almost everywhere.

The movie is not going to suffer because of this. Rotten Tomatoes isn't really relevant any more. Most of that stuff come from people who are members in that site. and not the average moviegoer. I doubt they go to Rotten Tomatoes for anything.

Some people are overeacting over comments from Brie Larson. Which are completely taken out of context.

This is over supposed comments that she said. That she hates white males. Which isn't true. People see that. and then lose there **** over comments taken out of context.

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

I'm gonna see it regardless. I think Rotten Tomatoes is doing the right thing. a lot of the times and not just with Captain Marvel but other movies. There are fake reviews or posts. and its usually by trolls. There's no way of knowing what is real and what isn't.

Some are arguing that they are silencing the critics. But in reality. They are trying to remove the fake reviews which are usually from trolls who are review bombing. and you see that almost everywhere.

The movie is not going to suffer because of this. Rotten Tomatoes isn't really relevant any more. Most of that stuff come from people who are members in that site. and not the average moviegoer. I doubt they go to Rotten Tomatoes for anything.

Some people are overeacting over comments from Brie Larson. Which are completely taken out of context.

This is over supposed comments that she said. That she hates white males. Which isn't true. People see that. and then lose there **** over comments taken out of context.

This coming from the guy who would see a movie if the main character was a talking pile of crap. You are the perfect movie goer studios want you see everything and never complain

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

This coming from the guy who would see a movie if the main character was a talking pile of crap. You are the perfect movie goer studios want you see everything and never complain

Why am I not surprise by this comment. Lots of the stuff being spread around about Brie Larson are a bunch of lies.

[AquaParade]

I do want to see Captain Marvel.

Brie Larson sure is coming off as ignorant though. I don't think she knows what she is talking about. She has a big microphone, lots of attention, and a desire to make a difference. She isn't going about it the right way though. You can see that she is stirring up a big ****-storm online, and not in a good way. It's not a positive discussion she is leading, it's toxic. It's entrenching people further in their views, not leading to a healthy open-discussion.

You need to know how to get your point across without throwing a bunch of fuel on the fire.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Leo656

This is all just theater. It's absolutely going to do better than Wonder Woman. It has everything that movie had insofar as being an "important" movie, PLUS a "Marvel" sticker on it.

I don't think it'll be bad, but even if it was, it really wouldn't matter. There's an automatic guaranteed return on these things. Even the "Ant-Man" movies made a good chunk of change, despite "Ant-Man" being right there in the title.

I don't plan to see it, but anyone expecting it to fail, or even be bad, is being silly. Marvel films generally aren't for me but it's not like they're incompetently made. They're entirely Populist Crowd-Pleasers designed in a focus group to achieve maximum impact across all demographics, and they succeed in that, every time out.

Like "Black Panther", I expect that they've gone the extra mile to insulate the project from any and all criticism, but that even without that it will do fine.

You make it sound so easy
Marvel does have a great track record, but they have produced a couple duds and quite frankly are probably due for one.

Originally Posted by Papenbrook

Exactly.

People really need to get a hold of themselves. It's not gonna flop, or even underperform, just because y'all want it to.

So stop trying to downgrade and ruin it. In other words, don't spoil it for others.

Papenbrook you sound extremely paranoid

All bc people don't think a movie will do well does not mean they purposely want it to fail. But then again I have been wrong before and I know how crazy current and past members can get.

I am mostly in the dark about this movie, I have not been following the movie or Brie Larson too closely. I have seen the trailers and it doesn't look like a good movie imo.

This movie is either going to do really well bc of the ties and implications it will have for Avengers infinity war part 2 or it is going to bomb bc it is genuinely a bad movie, Captain Marvel to my knowledge does not have the fan base to prop up a bad movie like Spider-man, Batman, TMNT ect......

Basically we will have to wait and see.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

This coming from the guy who would see a movie if the main character was a talking pile of crap. You are the perfect movie goer studios want you see everything and never complain

No need to insult someone over difference of opinion....

[ZariusTwo]

I probably will still see this movie, if there's any box-ticking/feminist agenda, I'll be right here pointing it out. Black Panther managed to make things seamless and fun, and is one of the few Marvel movies I like, so hopefully this one can pull something similar.

Still, I can't help but smile at the flack Marvel are taking. Their films with some exception have always been either complete garbage, passable, or underwhelming, it's nice to see something like this is making me people realise just how naked the emperor is with his clothes.

[Spike Spiegel]

I hope this generates enough brand recognition or whatever to merit a Marvel Omnibus edition for the mid-2000s run of Ms. Marvel comics that started after "House of M". They just released a compilation of Carol's original series from the late 70s, so it seems logical to do that run next.

[Papenbrook]

Originally Posted by Redeemer

You make it sound so easy
Marvel does have a great track record, but they have produced a couple duds and quite frankly are probably due for one.

... and, how did you come to that conclusion?

I am mostly in the dark about this movie, I have not been following the movie or Brie Larson too closely. I have seen the trailers and it doesn't look like a good movie imo.

Okay, I'm trying to understand you.

You don't think this will be a good movie - based on what (in the trailers) exactly?

Captain Marvel to my knowledge does not have the fan base to prop up a bad movie like Spider-man, Batman, TMNT ect......

Black Panther didn't have the fan-base either; it was still able to outperform and surpass expectations.

Basically we will have to wait and see.

So, you think that this film will flop, yet you want to "wait and see" it's performance/reception?

That ... doesn't make any sense ...

[Leo656]

They're Too Big To Fail at this point. Every single criticism that average keyboard warriors sling at other companies' super-hero films, be it WB or Sony or Fox, apply in equal or even GREATER measure to the MCU projects sometimes, but people, in general, don't care. People who get paid a lot more than me write numerous articles pointing out whatever flaws do exist, and every time, they're met with a flood of comments accusing them of "hating", if not simply making things up.

The audience likes the formula. They want it to be the way it is, and they don't like people pointing out that something maybe could have been done better. They're bulletproof, immune from even the slightest bit of criticism.

I don't think this one will get as much excitement as Black Panther, but it will be close.

Real Talk, though: NOBODY should be giving a single f*ck about what Rotten Tomatoes says in the first place.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Real Talk, though: NOBODY should be giving a single f*ck about what Rotten Tomatoes says in the first place.

I've never cared about that place. When the first Bay Turtles movie came out, someone made a thread in the Platinum Dunes section titled "What do you think the Rotten Tomatoes' score for this movie will be?" or something like that... that was THE LEAST of my concerns with that awful movie. I hadn't even given any thoughts to Rotten Tomatoes' possible rating of the movie before that thread was made.

[Leo656]

I get the reasoning - "I only have so much time and money, I wanna know in advance if something's Good or Bad" - but you can't figure that out for YOU by seeing what a bunch of OTHER people say. Especially of all you look at is a number, and don't actually READ the reviews, which nobody does.

A lot of critics take issue with RT because, if they personally don't assign Stars or a letter grade, RT will "assume" one for them based on what they infer from the review's text. Or one person will give something ** and 1/2 out of *****, and RT will round the score down to a "D" while the author themselves will say that, had they been asked, they'd say that star rating equals a C, but they weren't asked. It's an extremely flawed system.

There's simply no "at a glance" way to know if any film/TV show/game/album/etc. will be Good, Bad, Great, or Terrible based on your personal tastes, if all you do is skim what other people think. Some people say, "Well, MOST people say it's _____, so I defer to Consensus." Well, "Consensus" made Justin Bieber, the Kardashians, and the Spice Girls extremely rich and famous. Even if the majority of peoples' opinions occasionally align, sometimes it's mass hysteria. You can't put any faith in Consensus. All it does is tell you which way the wind is blowing, not if it's a foul wind or a soothing one. That's on you to figure out.

I like movie reviews a lot. Even ones I don't agree with, are generally fun to read and often they'll give me a lot to think about or hadn't considered. "Food for thought", as it were. And that's great, but at the end of the day, nobody can predict in advance what I'll like or dislike, so telling me what they think is simply Raw Data to consider and nothing more.

People don't like to admit it, but predetermining their own opinion based on other peoples' aggregate review scores is the ultimate example of "letting other people tell you what to think." Which every single person swears up and down that they don't do. And yet, if they're ever forced into a debate about a movie's quality, at SOME point, they'll say, "Well, EVERYONE on RT said it's ________," as if that actually means anything at all. I think it's telling that actual movie critics talk more about how useless RT scores are than anyone else.

I love movie reviews, but at the end of the day, like movies themselves, they're just entertainment. Aggregate scores are fountains of misinformation. It's so ridiculous that they've become so important to a movie's bottom line that we have situations like this happening, with people manipulating these websites trying to skew the narrative. It's so silly.

This movie will do Just Fine with or without RT, thank you very much. But at the same time, it's a very telling situation.
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On the subject of reviews, I realized some time ago that I'm much more apt to read reviews that I don't agree with, versus ones that I do agree with. I generally figure if there's an angle I hadn't already thought of, I'm not going to find it by reading the thoughts of someone I already agree with. If I like a movie, I generally skip most of the reviews saying they liked it and focus on reading the ones from people who didn't, or vice-versa. Even if the person won't change my mind, I always find it interesting to see what we disagreed on, and whether they're full of sh*t or actually saw something I didn't. Does anyone else do this often? Just curious.

[snake]

I'm starting to think all of the backlash for this movie exists solely on the internet. Everybody I know interested in Marvel is generally anticipating the movie because it looks like just another Marvel movie. Nothing drastic is being changed, no one is being killed off- it just looks like another slightly above average comic book film proven to satisfy audiences. When Ghostbusters 2016 was coming out, the hate against it was real. I heard the backlash from real people I knew, and not just words on a screen. With Captain Marvel, I think it's different.

The feminist/SJW stuff is marketing. It's all it is, and it's all it was ever intended to be. I'm not surprised that it's getting slammed online, like most things are, but I think you guys are seriously exaggerating the effect it's going to have on the movie. Both sides are acting extremely retarded, for lack of a better term. One for taking stronk wymn marketing to heart, and the other for further suppressing freedom of speech in relation to f*cking funny book movies by censoring reviews in advance. Not everything is an identity politics showdown, and especially not a movie that will be relatively harmless in the long run. We're not getting a feminist propaganda film, we're getting the run-of-the-mill Marvel movie that's guaranteed to make a billion dollars just like every other run-of-the-mill Marvel movie that's made a billion dollars. Captain Marvel would be the same film whether it was made in 2009 or 2019.

Pick your battles, folks. Save all that ammo for Episode IX when it comes out. I'm all for laying out on Disney when that sh*tshow hits theaters.

[Leo656]

IX almost HAS to be better than VIII, unless they left the goddamn lens cap on for half of shooting and had to replace 2/3s of it with stock footage of a lizard sunning itself on a rock. And that would actually probably be more engaging than VIII. And it would still make $1.6 billion.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Papenbrook

... and, how did you come to that conclusion?

Just looking at box office numbers. If you look at Marvel's hulk movie or Captain America: The first avengers. Rule of thumb is that for a movie to be successful it must make double its budget at the box office and neither of those movies did that.

Originally Posted by Papenbrook

Okay, I'm trying to understand you.

You don't think this will be a good movie - based on what (in the trailers) exactly?

Thats why I have little interest in the movie. There is nothing in the trailers that pop out and make me want to go see the movie. I think it maybe bc of how saturated the super-hero market has been the last few years, but like I said the trailers have not been able to grab my interest. Now if we look at the new avengers infinity war part 2 trailer and I see Ronin....well now you have my interest.

Originally Posted by Papenbrook

Black Panther didn't have the fan-base either; it was still able to outperform and surpass expectations.

But Black Panther was a good movie and it had a lot of cultural drive behind it...Being seen as the first black super-hero movie (Which isn't even true )
But despite that it was just a good movie so it didn't need the fan base to hold it up, it stood on its own merit.

If Captain Marvel is a good movie then it will do well in the box office like any other marvel movie. My point was that it can't be like Iron Man 3. (Be a terrible movie and still do well at the box office bc of its fan base.)

Originally Posted by Papenbrook

So, you think that this film will flop, yet you want to "wait and see" it's performance/reception?

That ... doesn't make any sense ...

I think this movie Could flop just bc how unknown Captain Marvel is. In fact Captain Marvel is more well known for being a copy right infringement than its own character

My point is I don't know I this movie could be a flop, but I can also see it doing very well given that it have direct ties to the next avengers movie and that there is a cultural push behind this movie as well.

[snake]

Originally Posted by Leo656

IX almost HAS to be better than VIII, unless they left the goddamn lens cap on for half of shooting and had to replace 2/3s of it with stock footage of a lizard sunning itself on a rock. And that would actually probably be more engaging than VIII. And it would still make $1.6 billion.

I'll give you a special, time-travel assisted review of IX from future-me: "Eh."

The franchise is so dead to me at this point that IX is going to be the most by-the-books, generic trash and it's not even going to garner that much of a disappointment from me. In fact, I'm just going to be content that the franchise can remain somewhat dormant after this, at least on the big screen. The TV shows still have some momentum behind them, and depending on whether Disney cheaps out or not, I might even like them. Star Wars needs a break, and not from overexposure- but from mismanagement. I'm still in shock over how they sunk a once unsinkable ship to the point where the old fans have stopped caring. I'm not fighting, no one's fighting, I'm just apathetic. It's almost therapeutic, in a way, to stop caring about Star Wars. I stick to what I like- the toys, the Original Trilogy, and the Clone Wars cartoon. I'm fine with keeping it that way.