Star Wars: Episode IX

[CyberCubed]

Come to think of it, most of this movie was a ripoff of Return of the Jedi, same way TFA was of A New Hope.

The beginning of the movie is a fetch quest on an unrelated tangent, and then the whole climax of the movie is another scene with the heroes versus the Emperor in his throne room while all the rebels are in their ships fighting an army of Star Destroyers in space. Even complete with Lando back in the Millenium Falcon again.

J.J. Abrams has no idea how to tell a new story.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by ranger_scout

I went to see it again with two of my best friends yesterday. One of them hadn't seen it yet. It's still a solid final chapter for this saga and I had even more of an appreciation some of the performances during my second viewing.

I am going for a second viewing later today. What did you takeaway about the film the second time that you did not the first. Also, anything that I should be more eagle eyed about?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Come to think of it, most of this movie was a ripoff of Return of the Jedi, same way TFA was of A New Hope.

The beginning of the movie is a fetch quest on an unrelated tangent, and then the whole climax of the movie is another scene with the heroes versus the Emperor in his throne room while all the rebels are in their ships fighting an army of Star Destroyers in space. Even complete with Lando back in the Millenium Falcon again.

J.J. Abrams has no idea how to tell a new story.

And complete with the actual throne room, with a lightsaber fight in it. And Endor. And Ewoks (for a second).

It's a bit like... whoever made RotJ, if they were forcibly given an extra 200 million dollars in the budget and made to just come up with extra "big" sh** to spend it on.

[CyberCubed]

Also forgot to mention force ghost Luke sitting on the log besides Rey and encouraging her on what to do was an obvious homage to Obi-wan in Episode 6. I mean I don’t mind small references and homages, Kylo Ren channeled Han with his hand gesture when Rey teleported the lightsaber to him when fighting the Knights of Ren and that was great, but not when so much of the movie is about it.

I’m also kinda surprised how small Luke’s role was in this one, TLJ was his best and biggest role in all 3 movies.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, I thought for sure they'd jam pack Force Ghost Luke stuff into this. He didn't even make good on his "See you around, kid" line to Kylo in Last Jedi. And with Yoda using Force lightning in that movie I thought they were foreshadowing some bigger role for Force Ghosts in IX.

Turns out it was nothing. Kind of like every "hey, what if they" kind of idea from the whole sequel trilogy. Every idea, every cool possibility... it all turned out to be nothing.

[Andrew NDB]

John Boyega going down for mysoginistic Tweets:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/john-...b6b5a713b68459

[frank_one]

Stuff like that can put your career in trouble these days.

[Leo656]

It's pretty funny how whenever I make a comment on Facebook or wherever about how everyone nowadays is either a complete idiot or a hyper-sensitive pantywaist, a bunch of under-25 year olds try and shout me down, but meanwhile, the proof is out there for everyone to see thanks to "situations" such as this.

An entire generation of people whose only function is to feign outrage at every passing cloud. Siiiiigh. I hope climate change is real and we really are all gonna die in twelve years; I sincerely don't want to share the planet with these diaper rash-suffering c*nts for another 40 or 50 years.

[AquaParade]

His behavior has been strange though. Not saying he deserves to "go down" or anything, but it's like he can't stop putting his foot in his mouth.

[Leo656]

How dare anyone make an off-the-cuff remark without checking with their publicist, their agent, their personal handler, the head of the studio, and the hosts of The View first, to make sure everything's above board.

The absolute nerve of that guy. F*ck him and everyone who looks like him.

Sh*t like this is why I would never want to be "famous for reals" as opposed to "Sometimes I get recognized at the mall"-style "famous". I'm a loose cannon and I don't apologize for sh*t. Millions of dollars would be keen, but I could never, ever exist if I had to constantly look over my shoulder like that. People who I'm friendly with who actually are "famous" tell me that's indeed the most frustrating part of the deal, constantly having to lie or otherwise swallow your words, because if you "offend" someone you'll never work again. I couldn't do it.

Frankly, nobody should have to do it. People need to f*cking relax.

[ranger_scout]

An editor from both this movie and The Force Awakens a explained why there never was a romance between Poe and Finn. I think they make a very good point. There's nothing wrong with two guys having a very tight brotherly relationship. Look at iconic duos like Woody and Buzz Lightyear, Harry Potter and Ron Weasley, Captain America and Bucky Barnes, and even Luke Skywalker and Han Solo. No one ever had a problem with their bonds.

Originally Posted by Maryann Brandon

“Because I’m cutting it together, I’m kind of taking it at face value, and I’m not reading as much into it as an audience. And maybe that’s just my nature. I don’t know. “But I think, again, they’re best of friends. There is a kind of brotherhood there where they understand each other, and they’ve got each other’s back.

https://comicbook.com/starwars/2020/...n-poe-romance/

[Leo656]

I definitely miss the days where some characters could just be friends with each other. I mean, I look for sex in almost everything but not everyone needs to clang their genitals together. C'mon.

Alas, in these modern and more enlightened times, everyone is secretly gay, apparently, and if you don't put a spotlight on it, you're a bigot who's trying to keep everyone trapped in the Stone Age.

"Here dude. Have a jacket."
"Thanks, man!"
"OMG d00d they're SO super-gay YAAAAASSSSSS!!! <3<3<3"

For the last ten years or so, I wake up every single day feeling like I missed an important meeting or something.

[Andrew NDB]

It wasn't too long ago he was in trouble for this:
https://people.com/movies/john-boyeg...-social-media/

I don't think he was wrong at all for saying that. And this latest thing is laughable at best. Good on him for responding in kind with shoulder shrugs to the backlash.

[Leo656]

Ah yeah, I 'member.

I mean, I kinda see it both ways. On one hand... social media is terrible. Like literally, aside from being able to grow your business and remember peoples' Birthdays, it has no function other than to set us back decades as a species due to the complete lack of depth or nuance in this new way we choose to "communicate" with each other. Complex issues condensed into snarky memes, manufactured outrage, and videos of cats. This is our new "language". Unless I'm about to do a show, or just did a show, I hardly bother with my FB, because deep down, I do want to like people, but scrolling through my FB feed is just a constant reminder of how fast we're racing to the bottom of the drain. It's depressing. The biggest thing the Internet does is allow everyone to be the Worst Possible Version of Themselves, and social media just magnifies it, because generally, the biggest idiots get the most Likes, and so on, essentially rewarding people for being terrible. Which is why I don't have Twitter, Instagram or any of those other things. The most well-adjusted people I deal with in Real Life don't have ANY social media at all, although admittedly most people in that group are over-40.

On the flip side, though... IF a person is gonna be on social media, you just have to assume that 9 out of every 10 people you deal with are morons and assholes, because... well... they're on social media. People like Tran and Leslie Jones need to take that into account before they have a meltdown. Even I, a lowly Local Indy Guy, was forewarned early on, "Once you put anything about yourself out there in public, way more people are gonna sh*t on you for it than celebrate you for it, because that's just how people are." So yeah, Get Tough or log off, disconnect, go outside, whatever. No, nobody "deserves" to be "harassed" on the internet but it happens. Don't cry about it. Just count your money and move on with your life.

I can't help but find it comical, though, how easily-rattled these famous people are by faceless strangers typing nasty things about them. Like, c'mon, you're rich, they're not, that alone should be enough for you to just shrug it off, no? But they can't, and I do agree with Boyega that there's some inherent "weakness" in that. If you have a million dollars but a teenager with a cell phone can shatter your feelings with a Tweet, then yes, you ARE "weak".

It's like they can't consider the source of these things before they lose their temper. Like Carlin said, "F*ck 'em, if they knew anything they wouldn't be riding the bus in the first place." Simply change "riding the bus" to "wasting time on FB/Twitter/etc." and it's the same damn thing.

I mean, I lose my temper with people online all the time, but I'm not rich. If I was, I would just deal with hecklers by buying another unicorn, or whatever these people do.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Ah yeah, I 'member.

I mean, I kinda see it both ways. On one hand... social media is terrible. Like literally, aside from being able to grow your business and remember peoples' Birthdays, it has no function other than to set us back decades as a species due to the complete lack of depth or nuance in this new way we choose to "communicate" with each other. Complex issues condensed into snarky memes, manufactured outrage, and videos of cats. This is our new "language". Unless I'm about to do a show, or just did a show, I hardly bother with my FB, because deep down, I do want to like people, but scrolling through my FB feed is just a constant reminder of how fast we're racing to the bottom of the drain. It's depressing. The biggest thing the Internet does is allow everyone to be the Worst Possible Version of Themselves, and social media just magnifies it, because generally, the biggest idiots get the most Likes, and so on, essentially rewarding people for being terrible. Which is why I don't have Twitter, Instagram or any of those other things. The most well-adjusted people I deal with in Real Life don't have ANY social media at all, although admittedly most people in that group are over-40.

On the flip side, though... IF a person is gonna be on social media, you just have to assume that 9 out of every 10 people you deal with are morons and assholes, because... well... they're on social media. People like Tran and Leslie Jones need to take that into account before they have a meltdown. Even I, a lowly Local Indy Guy, was forewarned early on, "Once you put anything about yourself out there in public, way more people are gonna sh*t on you for it than celebrate you for it, because that's just how people are." So yeah, Get Tough or log off, disconnect, go outside, whatever. No, nobody "deserves" to be "harassed" on the internet but it happens. Don't cry about it. Just count your money and move on with your life.

I can't help but find it comical, though, how easily-rattled these famous people are by faceless strangers typing nasty things about them. Like, c'mon, you're rich, they're not, that alone should be enough for you to just shrug it off, no? But they can't, and I do agree with Boyega that there's some inherent "weakness" in that. If you have a million dollars but a teenager with a cell phone can shatter your feelings with a Tweet, then yes, you ARE "weak".

It's like they can't consider the source of these things before they lose their temper. Like Carlin said, "F*ck 'em, if they knew anything they wouldn't be riding the bus in the first place." Simply change "riding the bus" to "wasting time on FB/Twitter/etc." and it's the same damn thing.

I mean, I lose my temper with people online all the time, but I'm not rich. If I was, I would just deal with hecklers by buying another unicorn, or whatever these people do.

Pretty much agree with all of this. And it's still shocking to me that in 2020, people can really sit there and be outraged at random idiots saying bad things to/about celebrities on Twitter and Instagram and stuff. There's always been random idiots saying crap about celebrities online since like 1996... the only difference now is that celebrities have Instagrams and stuff that fans can actually interact with and maybe they see (or maybe they don't... most have the good sense to just "ignore the comments").

I don't feel bad for Kelly Marie Tran one bit or Leslie Nelson. Look at the business they're in.

[Leo656]

What kills me is when I go online and see people I know personally, who I have personally seen/heard say stuff that is WAY out of bounds by current standards, go online and "White Knight" or act all outraged when someone says stuff that's presently "offensive". It's not my business to "out" people - I firmly believe that stuff said behind closed doors is not meant to be judged by public standards of decency - but I do shake my head. And I guess it's nice to know who the bullsh*tters are. But it's disheartening.

Like the Trump "Grab 'em by the p*ssy" thing. Jesus CHRIST, has nobody ever been in a locker room, or a bar, or just... any social gathering of more than three Human Males? I remember doing a show the weekend that "scandal" broke, and everybody in the locker room was cracking up about it because we've ALL said way, WAY worse sh*t than THAT. Even my one buddy who's an outspoken Trump hater was cracking up, like "Yo, man... I might have to take back some'a the sh*t I said about that motherf*cker, cuz Lord knows I say some dumb sh*t like that, too!"

And yet, in public, just about all of them go online and talk about how "disgraceful" and "unacceptable" it is, and how they'd never, ever, EVER behave in such a way. And I just shake my head, because hypocrites make my skin crawl. I'm like, "Dude, you'd all best pray that nobody ever figures out how to read minds or else we're ALL gonna be in f*cking jail." That's just the way it is.

I believe it was Prince who once sang, "If a man is considered Guilty for what goes on in his mind, give me the Electric Chair for all my future crimes." Sure is looking like we're gonna need a few more chairs, if we're going to make it a point to crucify people for any random thing they say online, or in a "private" conversation they didn't know was being recorded, or whatever.

[frank_one]

Celebrities just need to stop using social networks. Everyone should just stop using them.

[CyberCubed]

It’s hard to believe normal people can interact with famous actors. Back in the 90’s or early 2000’s it was unthinkable. The fact that people can ask Mark Hamill something on twitter and he might respond is incredible. Never in a million years would I believe I could ask a question or interact with Mark Hamill without going to a convention or something.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Back in the 90’s or early 2000’s it was unthinkable. The fact that people can ask Mark Hamill something on twitter and he might respond is incredible.

Even more incredible to think that we're supposed to be super sympathetic if someone were to say something bad to Mark Hamill on Twitter and if he took offense.

Please.

[frank_one]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

It’s hard to believe normal people can interact with famous actors. Back in the 90’s or early 2000’s it was unthinkable. The fact that people can ask Mark Hamill something on twitter and he might respond is incredible.

Back in the 90's we probably had better things to do than asking silly questions to actors. Like putting down the phone and thinking about our own life. These days, we seriously pay too damn attention to what hollywood millionaires say and do.