David Ayer and Margot Robbie helming all female villian DC movie

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Ugh.

Come to think of it, looking at that exact quote from Gunn: "As has been reported many times, DC offered me whatever film I wanted to do, including some sort of Superman movie (not specifically Man of Steel 2 as I've seen reported)."

I wonder what kind of Superman movie was it they wanted him to make? "Lois & Cuckman"? Something else?

You can read a lot into that exact quote. And it's not necessarily a reach, given all we're seeing.

[Leo656]

I don't really agree that a shared universe would have choked all the variety out of things. I mean, a little bit, yeah, but not entirely. The initial plan was actually to always let each character's movie be unique to itself, with the appropriate tone and stylization, but that it simply would be clearly part of the same shared universe because there'd be some character cross-over and references to things happening in other films. And they had some limited success with that before everything went tits-up and they panicked.

For example, people adore Wonder Woman, with good reason, but it's still very clearly in line with Snyder's MoS/BvS set-up and apes a lot of the style if not the tone (which makes sense, because WW is set before Darkseid's resurgence in the modern day, which is what MoS/BvS were directly building to). The flashback/history lesson stuff about Ares and Zeus is very similar to stuff from MoS, and a bunch of the dialog between Diana and Ares is almost word-for-word lifted from the Superman/Zod scenes. Absolutely none of that was by accident, and it didn't hurt WW one bit as a solo affair. It just helped it to fit neatly in with Snyder's films while still being its own thing. Suicide Squad was also completely different from MoS and BvS while still clearly being set in the same universe. They were definitely on the path to creating a very rich tapestry while still letting each piece be its own thing.

I've always wanted to see the DCU I recognize from the comics on the big screen, and I'm disappointed that we can't have that because of a bunch of various things. Maybe one day. But having a bunch of unconnected films doesn't exactly thrill me because I'd rather have one good Joker that appears in multiple films, for example, than like three different ones appearing in three completely disconnected films. People aren't completely ignorant but it's STILL confusing for the casual audience who doesn't follow these developments obsessively; they see Phoenix in "Joker" and immediately assume he's gonna be fighting Pattinson soon. It's not really the best situation.

I strongly feel that if they had a COHERENT plan in place, and stuck to it instead of being wishy-washy and overreacting to things, they could still have everything connected while still letting each individual film be as good as it can possibly be. I mean, we've seen it. Wonder Woman is great. Aquaman is great. Shazam is really good. They're each just about perfect for what they should be, and they ARE still connected to the existing template, even if it's only loosely, and that's perfectly fine. The connective tissue doesn't have to be overwhelming, it could be subtle.

They could pull it off if they wanted to, without sacrificing any "freedom" or "creativity" or "uniqueness". They could have it all, they're just a bunch of nitwits who shift gears with every passing cloud.

[MikeandRaph87]

What is the deal with Black Canary in the film? She looks nothing like Black Canary! Rachel Skarsten could have gotten an unexpected second shot like Brandon Roth did as Superman with playing Black Canary. She could have been Black Canary in her prime, but DC wants to go other routes.

Leo, I sent you the issues I referred to you for reading up on Mr. Zsasz.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

If only the Man of Steel conclusion could be reached from this film...

"Nobody cares about Harley Quinn, that's why the movie underperformed. So no sequels ever, okay?"

But it won't. Audiences will be blamed instead.

[Andrew NDB]

This is probably it for Harley Quinn herself, though, yeah? I know she's got a small part in "The Suicide Squad," but I don't see them doing anything else with the character.

[AquaParade]

Yeah, I suppose WB/DC wouldn’t have to conform to the same standards as Marvel necessarily. And some would argue that there is a ton of variety in the MCU. Not me, but there is room for debate there I suppose.

For instance, I wouldn’t have a problem seeing Joaquin Phoenix in a Batman movie with a slightly different tone than “Joker”. That’s the sort of drastic tonal shift we get in comics, so as long as it’s not mid-story, I can see it working. Joaquin/Joker may not be the best example, but the point is that they could probably reap the benefits of a shared universe while keeping things interesting and unique if they play their cards right.

I still feel that they sort of do have those benefits going on now. The Snyder-verse is still chugging, right? With supplemental films like Joker existing alongside it.

[Leo656]

I'd love to see more Phoenix "in-universe" because he's good, but as many have pointed out, there'd need to be a "bridge" movie that carries him closer to the Joker as seen in the comics. We saw his slide into madness but he's still not The Guy yet. If he suddenly just showed up fully-formed in a Batman movie, that'd be weird. But he'd be a good "proper" Joker with just a little bit more story. They could get there if they want.

We'll see. I mean one way or the other someone's gonna do a DCU shared universe eventually, I just don't wanna be 80 years old or dead when it happens. We were so close.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

Leo, I sent you the issues I referred to you for reading up on Mr. Zsasz.

Thanks, but next time please wait for permission before doing so. That put my Inbox at 100% so now when I get a chance I'm gonna have to write that stuff down and then delete the message, and in the meantime if anyone tries to PM me it'll bounce.

I've mentioned this before - and I'm aware that it's a Me problem - but my inbox is always at 99% because I just don't have time to go through it. But I try and keep a couple spots open for Serious Stuff.

Anyone can leave a message on my Wall if they want to reach me directly and it's nothing too private/personal, that's fine.

Thanks though. I appreciate it, but please check first before PMing me from now on. That's for everyone, not just you.

[oldmanwinters]

Whelp, I guess they can't realize blame The Oscars for sucking away all their potential viewership either...
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[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Thanks, but next time please wait for permission before doing so. That put my Inbox at 100% so now when I get a chance I'm gonna have to write that stuff down and then delete the message, and in the meantime if anyone tries to PM me it'll bounce.

I've mentioned this before - and I'm aware that it's a Me problem - but my inbox is always at 99% because I just don't have time to go through it. But I try and keep a couple spots open for Serious Stuff.

Anyone can leave a message on my Wall if they want to reach me directly and it's nothing too private/personal, that's fine.

Thanks though. I appreciate it, but please check first before PMing me from now on. That's for everyone, not just you.

I had that issue until about 2 years ago myself and deleted all that were a part of a thread. Also, I could not remember who it was who had the issue currently. Had I remembered I would have gone to the wall. The only reason why I did not post it publicly is because of the gray area of posting links of free reads for the public to see. Not wanting to violate anything I went PM.

[Leo656]

Understood, no problem.

Some of the messages are of high sentimental value and thus will have to be kept, and some are just clutter, but I simply haven't had a chance in about 5 or 6 years to really take a couple hours and sort it properly. Thanks for understanding. I know I really should get to it.

[MikeandRaph87]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Understood, no problem.

Some of the messages are of high sentimental value and thus will have to be kept, and some are just clutter, but I simply haven't had a chance in about 5 or 6 years to really take a couple hours and sort it properly. Thanks for understanding. I know I really should get to it.

I have emails that I have kept well over over a decade now for the same reason.

It took from December 2011 to February 2018 for me to get around to clearing up my Technodrome inbox.

If you want I can repost the links to you on the wall. It is technically not public.

[Autbot_Benz]

Warners Retitled the movie to Harley Quinn: Birds of Prey to try and help with the low numbers.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Warners Retitled the movie to Harley Quinn: Birds of Prey to try and help with the low numbers.

They did? Just now?

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

They did? Just now?

ya at the theater chains its being reported on twitter.

DiscussingFilm
@DiscussingFilm
‘Birds of Prey’ has been re-titled ‘Harley Quinn: Birds of Prey’ on movie theater websites.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Warners Retitled the movie to Harley Quinn: Birds of Prey to try and help with the low numbers.

Huh, I was curious why some people on social media were calling this "Harley Quinn." I'm familiar with movies receiving subtitles once they arrive on "home video," but this is definitely a strange one to do it in the movie's 2nd week in theatres.

So is the unofficial or official title now Harley Quinn: Birds of Prey (and the Fantabulous Emancipation of One Harley Quinn)?

Fun Fact: I think the movie First Blood is now officially known as Rambo: First Blood by the studio for digital sales. That is one very confused series of movie titles.

[Andrew NDB]

For sure, we haven't even gotten First Blood Part 3 yet, or Rambo 1 or 2. We're missing whole movies!

But that's just them for categorizing purposes. I'm sure if you ask Stallone what's the title of the first movie he'll say it'll always be "First Blood."

Then there's copyright reasons in titles. Like, I didn't even realize GB2016 was legally "Ghostbusters: Answer the Call" until later.

[Autbot_Benz]

Update on the #BirdsofPrey title change: It's apparently for display/search purposes only for vendors and theaters, not an official title change. Just to clarify for those of you writing about it. 🤷🏻*♀️

[TommyT]

#whatsyourstrippername

[Jester]

Gotta love how Cats paved the way for studios to patch movies that seem to be tanking, but isnt it too early to call BoP a bomb? It's been out for less than a week.