Corona Virus/Dow Jones taking a hit/possible recession

[sdp]

Economically we're going to be worse off than in 2008, it'll be a bigger recession. covid19 only worsened what was going to happen, the market had been in a bull run since the 2016 elections without any long term economical policies to back it up so it was going to come to a halt, add a few world events that cause chaos in the market and top it off with a pandemic that is paralyzing the world and it's what you get. Let's hope for the best.

I find it odd how people are still downplaying the pandemic, why would countries worldwide, rich and poor cripple their economies taking drastic measures to resist this virus if it's not that bad. I also don't think it's the end of the world, but it's not going to be a fun time and not a situation to ignore.

[Voltron]

Originally Posted by sdp

I find it odd how people are still downplaying the pandemic, why would countries worldwide, rich and poor cripple their economies taking drastic measures to resist this virus if it's not that bad. I also don't think it's the end of the world, but it's not going to be a fun time and not a situation to ignore.

It looks like there was deliberate spread of misinformation by the US government in order to save certain congressional figures a bad day in the stock market.

At least four senators, including notable piece of crap Dianne Feinstein of California have been accused of withholding information on the severity of coronavirus in order to avoid stock market losses.

If anyone is interested.

[IndigoErth]

It's funny (but not the 'haha' kind) when you think about it. Maybe the motives were different, but looks like our own isn't any better than the Chinese government in trying to suppress information about it.

[The Deadman]

New York is now under 100% shutdown.

[IndigoErth]

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...resser-vpx.cnn

What the hell. So the guy asks a completely valid, simple question, opening the floor for Trump to say a few positive words of hope...and he responds like THAT?? The heck? Yeah, I'm pretty sure being asked what he'd say to scared Americans is NOT a "nasty question" or bad reporting, not by a long shot. The kind of thing some Americans need to hear, but hey, never mind, just go on the attack instead... seems reasonable.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...resser-vpx.cnn

What the hell. So the guy asks a completely valid, simple question, opening the floor for Trump to say a few positive words of hope...and he responds like THAT?? The heck? Yeah, I'm pretty sure being asked what he'd say to scared Americans is NOT a "nasty question" or bad reporting, not by a long shot.

I didn't click on it, but does it amount to Trump saying mean things again? To reporters?

It amazes me that this is able to still amaze anyone.

[IndigoErth]

No, it amounts to exactly what I said.

Reporter plainly asks what he'd say to scared Americans. Trump immediately lashes out calling it a "nasty question" and bad reporting. And this guy isn't a mental case?

edit: And it amazes me that some people still pretend that kind of crap is no problem.

[Andrew NDB]

Do we know that that reporter isn't someone that Trump would know that has a history of doing hitjobs on him? And was that the only thing he asked Trump or was there more to it?

[Sumac]

"Eagerly" awaiting for a quarantine here.
About 200+ people in my office are now working from home. Sadly, since I am working in delivery, I most likely will stay on duty until subway or the whole city will be closed down.

Originally Posted by TommyT

Nobody wants to admit that they're FAT. I would argue 80% of the people here, are FAT. Some are not just a little fat, some are morbidly obese.
None of them are eating bats, or more correctly Pangolins that were infected by the virus BY bats, true, but they are killing us in other ways, ways that are less immediate, but just as devastating.

I am not sure what politics of my country has to do with this.
I am not even sure what the **** does it supposed to mean.

Originally Posted by TommyT

Food is the culprit here, not them, for exactly the same reason. When it's cheaper to grab chips, a burger and soda, and you are living paycheck to paycheck, it's what you do. When the idea of a nutritious meal is tied to the rich, but also the boring; it is what you do.
So now, there is a pandemic that will seriously **** with you if you have an underlying health condition. Re examine what that means. UNDERLYING health condition. So, you were ALREADY sick. Being FAT is being sick. Smoking is making you bloody sick. the lifestyle, which isn't evn a choice for most of you, is making you SICK!!!!!

People who ate dangerous food are culprits. Especially since it not the first epidemy which came from China, because, of the same reason.

Originally Posted by TommyT

Okay, you could argue that the poor asshole who ate a Pangolin in China, started this crap, and that is true, those markets are a ****ing disgrace. They are revolting and putrid. I am 100% opposed to that level of cruelty, no question, but that cruelty is not isolated to those markets, and we can't pretend it's just "overthere".

Because, somewhere besides China there are markets which sell dangerous food it doesn't mean that those Chinese markets shouldn't be harshly judged or closed.

Originally Posted by TommyT

Hell, the finger pointing and accustations in this thread alone, F*cking hell.

We are discussing everything surrounding the virus, including its origins. I don't see what exactly shutting down this discussion will accomplish. Will it make sick people feel better? Will it stop spread of virus?

Originally Posted by Leo656

Condolences and much obliged. Sounds like you get it completely. In my experience, only the names ever change. It's always some idiot who "Just wanted to have a good time or try something new", and then they spiral out of control and ruin countless lives while whining about how they "Didn't expect it to turn out like this! They just need HELP!" Gee, that's funny, I remember explicitly being told in Kindergarten that's exactly what was gonna happen, and "luckily" had several people in my family to serve as the worst possible example, therefore I knew better.

Gladly all my relatives are understanding, because, they suffered at the hands of this guy too. And most of people I dealing with don't give a damn, so it's all fine.

Originally Posted by Redeemer

you are accusing other people of ignoring facts when you are the one doing it

Also I never disagreed with you that China is responsible. You snapped at me and made assumptions

What facts am I ignoring?
Also, if you approach people with holier-than-thou attitude, expect people snapping back.

[frank_one]

+627 dead in the last 24 hours in Italy.

[TommyT]

Originally Posted by frank_one

+627 dead in the last 24 hours in Italy.

Man, it's JUST A FLU!!!! Total democratic conspiracy.


Waiting for the first Dromer to get sick. Really curious who it's going to be.
Could be me, could be you.

The clock is ticking.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Do we know that that reporter isn't someone that Trump would know that has a history of doing hitjobs on him? And was that the only thing he asked Trump or was there more to it?

No idea if they had any other interaction, but that still shouldn't stop Trump from sanely answering that one question even if he declines to answer others from the same guy... Could have answered it for the people of this country, not the journalist.

Originally Posted by frank_one

+627 dead in the last 24 hours in Italy.

Geeze, that's sad. And for a small country?

[newfan]

Originally Posted by frank_one

+627 dead in the last 24 hours in Italy.

Damn awful, that's about 4k in your country now.

[TommyT]

Here's a ray of hope.

How your fat might allow you to survive.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Sumac

"Eagerly" awaiting for a quarantine here.
About 200+ people in my office are now working from home. Sadly, since I am working in delivery, I most likely will stay on duty until subway or the whole city will be closed down.

I am not sure what politics of my country has to do with this.
I am not even sure what the **** does it supposed to mean.

People who ate dangerous food are culprits. Especially since it not the first epidemy which came from China, because, of the same reason.

Because, somewhere besides China there are markets which sell dangerous food it doesn't mean that those Chinese markets shouldn't be harshly judged or closed.

We are discussing everything surrounding the virus, including its origins. I don't see what exactly shutting down this discussion will accomplish. Will it make sick people feel better? Will it stop spread of virus?

Gladly all my relatives are understanding, because, they suffered at the hands of this guy too. And most of people I dealing with don't give a damn, so it's all fine.

What facts am I ignoring?
Also, if you approach people with holier-than-thou attitude, expect people snapping back.

News flash, this virus originated in animals, but MUTATED to infect humans, then mutated AGAIN to spread person to person within WEEKS. It's not just because someone ate "dangerous foods", it literally changed from an animal virus to a HUMAN one, one we have NO IMMUNITY to, and which further changed to damage the lungs. (Because it's RNA was not coded for in humans, since it was not previously a human-host virus.) And it's genetic shift happened at an alarming rate, and will do so again. Stop blaming the people whose diets included the animals what it originated from and try to actually develop an understanding of what this thing IS.

I keep seeing blame getting thrown at China, but the truth is it could just as easily have started ANYWHERE that such a virus might be found. From animals in farms or from wildlife in meat markets the world over. (Swine flu, anyone? Voltron was not wrong about that- likewise bird flu. Both hosts are used as food in much of the world.) All this finger-pointing at the country of origin is idiotic and bigoted. This is a genetic bomb that was just WAITING to go off, and it's mutation rate is the equivalent of an H bomb.

Also, people who constantly post with insulting, arrogant, condescending attitudes should not criticize others for being "holier than thou". It's incredibly hypocritical. Nor does it add anything of value to the discussion.

[Leo656]

"Could've started anywhere."

Maybe. But it didn't.

Just saying. "Could'a/would'a/should'a" doesn't hold much water right now.

[frank_one]

Jim is dead. John killed him. Yes, but the killer could've been anyone! Yeah, but it was John. End of the story.
Stay safe, folks. Stay at home.

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by Voltron

Did you read this?

1. The fatality rate was initially reported at 3%-4%.

2. The rate dropped outside of Hubei because of increased understanding of the virus and lower population leading to better preventative measures. It fell not because of an initial miscalculation, but because of later efforts to force it down.

So what does this mean? It means China acted, and it acted pretty harshly. It enacted the largest quarantine in recorded history.

Other countries caught up very quickly and started to pitch in with the effort. Germany provided tests to other countries. Schools shut down. Hygienic prevention rose.

Perhaps most importantly: people knew that healthcare was accessible.

Contrast this with the US, where we not only pay more than any other country in the world, but we receive less. This is after the God King promised to repeal Obamacare and replace it with something much better.

Add on top of this that Trump fired the pandemic response team, leaving us with our pants down.

In lieu of this, he put Mike Pence in charge of the response effort. This is the same Mike Pence who oversaw a disastrous HIV outbreak in his home state. HIV transmission, mind you, is very well understood and manageable with minimal effort. Pence botched it, and now he's heading up the national effort to a fast spreading virus we don't know the specifics of.

So your boy is letting us all down, Andrew. Again. Hell, he may even have it.

Dumb ass can't even keep himself safe. And you think we should be listening to this guy?

There's a plague running unchecked through the country, and the man at the helm stared directly into a solar eclipse.

Yeah, panic doesn't seem like an unreasonable response from the masses.

But don't let that stop you from going to a Trump rally and demanding more winning. I mean, Puerto Rico's destroyed. We have no replacement for Obamacare. The stock market's in free fall. Most government positions aren't staffed. There's no Space Force. We've locked down our borders with a handful of countries that can still fly here through other non-banned countries. The President does a poor job of hiding the fact he wants to bone his own daughter. . . I could go on, really, but I'm starting to gag thinking about it.

Originally Posted by Sumac

I think Voltron went completely insane from stress.
Maybe he needs some vacation? How about a ticket to North Korea or Hubei?

Originally Posted by Sumac

What facts am I ignoring?
Also, if you approach people with holier-than-thou attitude, expect people snapping back.

You literally brushed off Voltron's facts and resorted to insults....

Also I am no better than anyone else, but there is one thing I cannot stand and won't tolerate is insulting others during a discussion or argument. There is absolutely no reason for it and is usually done when someone cannot support their argument or just chooses to act childish.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Leo656

"Could've started anywhere."

Maybe. But it didn't.

Just saying. "Could'a/would'a/should'a" doesn't hold much water right now.

My point there was that this virus is similar to others like H1N1, SARS, etc, which literally can be found almost anywhere. But Trump himself has started calling it the "Chinese virus", just because they unwittingly won the viral lottery.

Food for thought- (pun intended), the bats that were the supposed (according to some sources) source of this were used as test subjects by scientists and later died, then got sold into markets for profit(allegedly). So this was apparently a human-caused issue to begin with. Humans mucking with things they have no business messing with, using wildlife that would normally be isolated and rarely encountered. Not because people were eating strange foods (when you're dirt poor and there are few places to buy or grow your own, you make do with what you can get) but because those particular animals came from a questionable HUMAN source!

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

just because they unwittingly won the viral lottery.

Can you really say "unwittingly" of the Chinese government when #1, they continued to allow the trapping/sale/eating of wild animals beforehand, and #2, this was after the outbreak/emergence of similar viruses already resulted from said activities?

This is a government that stepped in once and was able to enforce a "1 child per household" edict, country-wide and for years. I'm pretty sure they could (largely) get their people to stop eating bats.