A return to the Turtles' alcohol consumption?

*neatoman* · 04-11-2020, 02:04 PM

Just a thought, would that be a good idea? I always thought the Pizza obsession was meant to be a subsitute for it (something people crave but is obviously bad for you) since the depiction of inibriation is kind of a no-no in kids' cartoons. I was just thinking that it might be time to drop the childish substitute. Obviously they can't drink beer in the cartoons, but probably could in comics, movies and games.

*frank_one* · 04-11-2020, 02:11 PM

Pizza is not bad for your body if made with healthy ingredients, unless you eat it everyday of your life, but the same can be said of every kind of food.

Shinigami · 04-11-2020, 02:16 PM

I don’t remember them drinking a ton of beer in Mirage. Just seeing them holding a can every once in awhile. I always read Casey as the drunk especially in later Mirage issues.

*MikeandRaph87* · 04-11-2020, 02:18 PM

They are teenagers and under the law it is illegal for anyone under 21 to consume alcohol. Even if legal after 21 it is still morally questionable and the TMNT are ones to follow morals. If they must act they must not be intoxicated so they should not imbibe if they could be dealing with effects of drinking if one a mission that comes up at any time. Some heroes especially those popular with adolescence do not partake in such things (Batman, Spider-Man, Superman)and it has become a part of their character while others it is expected of and some times used to teach against it like with Iron Man. They are also beloved heroes for all ages and like you said we don't want to have the wrong message sent even if they are turtles. I would rather the Turtles abstain from drinking alcohol. It may have been something they did when they were a parody of 80s' comics aimed at adults, but Ninja Turtles is a franchise now and it is best left to the very early days. Other characters can be depicted as periodic drinkers like Casey Jones on an emotional roller coaster if he is of age or a villain however.

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 04-11-2020, 02:24 PM

Atleast pizza would help them build muscle and explain their physiques while alcohol can't.

*Andrew NDB* · 04-11-2020, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

They are teenagers and under the law it is illegal for anyone under 21 to consume alcohol.

It's also illegal to murder people and vigilante, and steal electricity from the city... but they do all of those things. Let them drink their damn beer. Lose the pizza.

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It may have been something they did when they were a parody of 80s' comics

It was never that, as both Peter and Kevin confirmed on separate occasions.

*IndigoErth* · 04-11-2020, 02:39 PM

I wouldn't care if it was in more mature material, though shoehorned in and too much just for the sake of it would be kinda lame. At least let the frequency, amount, and drink of choice make sense for each of them.

Nothing wrong with a little pizza, pizza is delicious and an inexpensive meal for a family of income-lacking mutants, but it doesn't always need to be a constant presence either.

Jazzfox · 04-11-2020, 03:18 PM

D= Sad to say, but I just can't imagine the turtles without them sharing a slice together sometime

When it comes to vices, Iunno, I could see where you could get swapping pizza for beer as a way to be more child friendly, but there's something very universal I get to the pizza love, not to mention just the idea it's something that they can all share together

Yeah, it's played a lot for laughs - Power Rangers/Turtles takes the cake for most outlandish Mikey pizza toppings, lol - and VGCats and plenty other places point out just what would happen on a pizza rich diet, but, I can stretch my disbelief there maybe

Heck, who knows how many calories a giant mutant turtle can burn through in a day, especially one who head dives across buildings every night and undergoes some fairly strict martial arts training

Overall, I don't know if I'd shout from the rooftops if the turtles shared a six pack, but I know I'd be all the sadder if it was outright taking away their pizzas, lol

*Galactus* · 04-12-2020, 04:52 AM

There's only a handful on times in Mirage Vol.1 that the turtles have been shown drinking alchohol and only a few other times in every other version that followed. I think it's somewhat overstated by fans that the comic turtles are way into beer.

I think it's reaching to think that the pizza obsession from the cartoon was meant to be a replacement for it. Clearly the Mirage turtles were never obsessed with beer.

Still I'd have no issue with say the IDW series being shown to drink beer or other alcoholic drinks. After all teenagers do sneak drink liquor so why not. The only time I've ever had an issue with it was in the Image series when Don makes a reference to drinking beer while flying the air car. The idea of the turtles drinking and driving is bad enough but Don doing that? I just don't see it but other than that have at it.

*Wildcat* · 04-12-2020, 06:12 AM

No.

This reminds ALF had to stop drinking beer for basically the same reason. A family friendly character that appealed to kids couldn’t be drinking alcohol even though he was an adult. I think he only has one in the first episode if I remember correctly.

Anyway it just doesn’t make sense for the turtles. They’re teenagers (and I know they drink in real life) but the bigger thing is it goes against being able to fight and keep a clear head.

I don’t have a problem with characters drinking if it fits. Alcohol is a huge part of the Simpsons but it’s mostly done for comedy. Although you would have thought they would change it similar to Alf once the show became really popular.

I consider The Simpsons family friendly even though there’s adult subjects going on. It doesn’t go over the top. It keeps things in a lighthearted or silly tone.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 04-12-2020, 07:47 AM

Would they even be able to function as ninjas with a high-level of alcohol consumption? (high-level pizza consumption is an easier suspension of disbelief)

*Voltron* · 04-12-2020, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Original TMNT Cartoon Fan

Would they even be able to function as ninjas with a high-level of alcohol consumption? (high-level pizza consumption is an easier suspension of disbelief)

I can tell you from experience that my karate abilities sky-rocket after like, a liter of rum.

In all seriousness, how would this serve a story? Cartoon Fan brings up a good point in that the abilities would suffer under inebriation. Other than being edgy, is there a reason for them to pound a few? I could see if they were hanging out at the farm house or something . . .

*neatoman* · 04-12-2020, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildcat

No.

This reminds ALF had to stop drinking beer for basically the same reason. A family friendly character that appealed to kids couldn’t be drinking alcohol even though he was an adult. I think he only has one in the first episode if I remember correctly.

Anyway it just doesn’t make sense for the turtles. They’re teenagers (and I know they drink in real life) but the bigger thing is it goes against being able to fight and keep a clear head.

I don’t have a problem with characters drinking if it fits. Alcohol is a huge part of the Simpsons but it’s mostly done for comedy. Although you would have thought they would change it similar to Alf once the show became really popular.

I consider The Simpsons family friendly even though there’s adult subjects going on. It doesn’t go over the top. It keeps things in a lighthearted or silly tone.

The "family friendly" bit would only apply to the stuff explicitly marketed to children though... And what if the beer was non-alcoholic in those?

*FredWolfLeonardo* · 04-12-2020, 09:46 AM

*frank_one* · 04-12-2020, 01:46 PM

They are monsters living in the sewer, I don't mind if they drink or if they kill people in the streets. They are no heroes, just beasts.

*I Crave Pizza No More* · 04-12-2020, 02:13 PM

Doesn't ET get blitzed? It was a different era, that's for sure!

*neatoman* · 04-12-2020, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by I Crave Pizza No More

Doesn't ET get blitzed? It was a different era, that's for sure!

Oh yeah... And the kid gets drunk too because of the psychic link.

*oldmanwinters* · 04-12-2020, 06:12 PM

When the Turtles bunk at April's apartment in Volume 1, issue 3, April offers them some beer... only to discover they are already asleep.

*Wildcat* · 04-12-2020, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by neatoman

The "family friendly" bit would only apply to the stuff explicitly marketed to children though... And what if the beer was non-alcoholic in those?

But people drink to get buzzed or drunk. Plus they’d have to specify the beer is non-alcoholic in every episode or comic issue. It’s pointless.

~~Leo656~~ · 04-13-2020, 04:39 PM

I love the people who are like, "They wouldn't do that! They're TEENAGERS!"

Your average teenager drinks, and to excess, FAR more often than the "average" adult does (although the adults who DO binge kinda wreck the curve). Specifically because teenagers have poor impulse control and get off on doing stuff they're not supposed to do. Speaking for myself, I got blackout-drunk way more often before I was 18 than I ever have since.

Like no, I don't know if it would serve any real purpose, but c'mon. "They're teenagers! They have hearty moral fiber!"

That's you, the viewer, projecting traits onto the characters.

I do kinda think FW TMNT would eschew alcohol for those reasons, but... well, let's be honest, those guys were pussies.

04-11-2020, 02:18 PM	#4
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,188	They are teenagers and under the law it is illegal for anyone under 21 to consume alcohol. Even if legal after 21 it is still morally questionable and the TMNT are ones to follow morals. If they must act they must not be intoxicated so they should not imbibe if they could be dealing with effects of drinking if one a mission that comes up at any time. Some heroes especially those popular with adolescence do not partake in such things (Batman, Spider-Man, Superman)and it has become a part of their character while others it is expected of and some times used to teach against it like with Iron Man. They are also beloved heroes for all ages and like you said we don't want to have the wrong message sent even if they are turtles. I would rather the Turtles abstain from drinking alcohol. It may have been something they did when they were a parody of 80s' comics aimed at adults, but Ninja Turtles is a franchise now and it is best left to the very early days. Other characters can be depicted as periodic drinkers like Casey Jones on an emotional roller coaster if he is of age or a villain however. __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

04-11-2020, 03:18 PM	#8
Jazzfox Thug Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: USA Posts: 76	D= Sad to say, but I just can't imagine the turtles without them sharing a slice together sometime When it comes to vices, Iunno, I could see where you could get swapping pizza for beer as a way to be more child friendly, but there's something very universal I get to the pizza love, not to mention just the idea it's something that they can all share together Yeah, it's played a lot for laughs - Power Rangers/Turtles takes the cake for most outlandish Mikey pizza toppings, lol - and VGCats and plenty other places point out just what would happen on a pizza rich diet, but, I can stretch my disbelief there maybe Heck, who knows how many calories a giant mutant turtle can burn through in a day, especially one who head dives across buildings every night and undergoes some fairly strict martial arts training Overall, I don't know if I'd shout from the rooftops if the turtles shared a six pack, but I know I'd be all the sadder if it was outright taking away their pizzas, lol __________________ Always Happy to talk Turtles! (Please excuse any long time in replies, sometimes offline for long periods!)

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Wildcat Foot Elite Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: AZ Posts: 3,517	No. This reminds ALF had to stop drinking beer for basically the same reason. A family friendly character that appealed to kids couldn’t be drinking alcohol even though he was an adult. I think he only has one in the first episode if I remember correctly. Anyway it just doesn’t make sense for the turtles. They’re teenagers (and I know they drink in real life) but the bigger thing is it goes against being able to fight and keep a clear head. I don’t have a problem with characters drinking if it fits. Alcohol is a huge part of the Simpsons but it’s mostly done for comedy. Although you would have thought they would change it similar to Alf once the show became really popular. I consider The Simpsons family friendly even though there’s adult subjects going on. It doesn’t go over the top. It keeps things in a lighthearted or silly tone. __________________ Nothing can survive the will to stay alive, cause if you try, you can do anything.

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oldmanwinters Overlord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow! Posts: 15,511	When the Turtles bunk at April's apartment in Volume 1, issue 3, April offers them some beer... only to discover they are already asleep. __________________ Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries! Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"! View my sketch work! I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items!

04-11-2020, 02:11 PM	#2
frank_one Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Southern Europe Posts: 2,255	Pizza is not bad for your body if made with healthy ingredients, unless you eat it everyday of your life, but the same can be said of every kind of food.

04-11-2020, 02:16 PM	#3
Shinigami Thug Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 67	I don’t remember them drinking a ton of beer in Mirage. Just seeing them holding a can every once in awhile. I always read Casey as the drunk especially in later Mirage issues.

04-11-2020, 02:24 PM	#5
FredWolfLeonardo This ***** used to be Fun Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Woke paradise Posts: 5,395	Atleast pizza would help them build muscle and explain their physiques while alcohol can't.

04-11-2020, 02:39 PM	#7
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,296	I wouldn't care if it was in more mature material, though shoehorned in and too much just for the sake of it would be kinda lame. At least let the frequency, amount, and drink of choice make sense for each of them. Nothing wrong with a little pizza, pizza is delicious and an inexpensive meal for a family of income-lacking mutants, but it doesn't always need to be a constant presence either.

04-12-2020, 04:52 AM	#9
Galactus Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,009	There's only a handful on times in Mirage Vol.1 that the turtles have been shown drinking alchohol and only a few other times in every other version that followed. I think it's somewhat overstated by fans that the comic turtles are way into beer. I think it's reaching to think that the pizza obsession from the cartoon was meant to be a replacement for it. Clearly the Mirage turtles were never obsessed with beer. Still I'd have no issue with say the IDW series being shown to drink beer or other alcoholic drinks. After all teenagers do sneak drink liquor so why not. The only time I've ever had an issue with it was in the Image series when Don makes a reference to drinking beer while flying the air car. The idea of the turtles drinking and driving is bad enough but Don doing that? I just don't see it but other than that have at it.

04-12-2020, 07:47 AM	#11
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,481	Would they even be able to function as ninjas with a *high-level* of alcohol consumption? (high-level pizza consumption is an easier suspension of disbelief)

04-12-2020, 01:46 PM	#15
frank_one Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Southern Europe Posts: 2,255	They are monsters living in the sewer, I don't mind if they drink or if they kill people in the streets. They are no heroes, just beasts.

04-12-2020, 02:13 PM	#16
I Crave Pizza No More Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2011 Location: Cleveland Posts: 1,658	Doesn't ET get blitzed? It was a different era, that's for sure!

04-13-2020, 04:39 PM	#20
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I love the people who are like, "They wouldn't do that! They're TEENAGERS!" Your average teenager drinks, and to excess, FAR more often than the "average" adult does (although the adults who DO binge kinda wreck the curve). Specifically because teenagers have poor impulse control and get off on doing stuff they're not supposed to do. Speaking for myself, I got blackout-drunk way more often before I was 18 than I ever have since. Like no, I don't know if it would serve any real purpose, but c'mon. "They're teenagers! They have hearty moral fiber!" That's you, the viewer, projecting traits onto the characters. I do kinda think FW TMNT would eschew alcohol for those reasons, but... well, let's be honest, those guys were pussies.