Official Justice League Movie

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It's one thing to insist on an under two hours cut... it's quite another to say, "It needs to be under two hours... AND make sure you cut out X character, and X character, and X character."

When you are condensing a mammoth of a film to run under two hours, the most sensible thing to do is start dropping supporting characters.

I mean, really, there is no sensible way to do what they did, but the first you'd do is narrow the amount of players on the field.

[Sumac]

At least it mostly guarantees that Fisher won't get any projects in a future.
I don't think any sensible producer will take his troublesome ass into any project only to be backstabbed by him.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

I am so sick and tired of Ray Fisher's whining. Just recast Cyborg and forget about him

Yeah this is amazing how this has played out. When I saw the movie I thought he was terrific and likeable as hell in it. Now?

Ugh.

Originally Posted by Sumac

At least it mostly guarantees that Fisher won't get any projects in a future.
I don't think any sensible producer will take his troublesome ass into any project only to be backstabbed by him.

Yeah I can't see him having a thriving career after this - there are people who truly label his story as that he was "abused". But there are more rational people out there who are going to hear his stories about "fringe level abuse" and not comment and simply not hire him. The problem nowadays is how we pencil whip the term abuse. Someone gets heavy handed with you at a job and you've been "abused" and now to serve your own ego you must be "brave and stunning" by telling the whole world about it in your "outrage".

I think that's how this is going to reflect on Fisher in the long run.

Originally Posted by AquaParade

When you are condensing a mammoth of a film to run under two hours, the most sensible thing to do is start dropping supporting characters.

I mean, really, there is no sensible way to do what they did, but the first you'd do is narrow the amount of players on the field.

So where are we at on this release now? Is this coming out anytime soon? Because I thought the theatrical release was honestly pretty damn good and sort of unfairly maligned. You can definitely tell where Whedon injected his own sensibilities, but I thought many of those moments were fine. But I'm looking forward to this new cut and I'm really, really hoping that it gets the DCEU moving on film again......

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Sumac

At least it mostly guarantees that Fisher won't get any projects in a future.
I don't think any sensible producer will take his troublesome ass into any project only to be backstabbed by him.

Correct. Absolutely. This is him dying on the fire.

[Leo656]

Google says September 5th 2021 but I'm not sure there was any official announcement about it.
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As for Ray, oh, make no mistake, his career is over. But that's kind of what I find admirable, is that if nothing else HE feels like he was done dirty and is willing to self-destruct his own career to try and get someone to do something about it. Like he obviously has nothing to gain other than personal vindication. It's like the exact opposite of how most people handle these situations. And as I've said before, I have to admire that. You gotta remember, people can be as sick as they want to be of his "whining", but that doesn't mean nothing he's alluding to actually happened. AND Mamoa publicly came out and backed him up - eventually - even though he DOES have something to lose.

By all accounts, Johns and Whedon and the guys working above them at WB at the time of JL's production are all a bunch of pricks. I'm not gonna get mad at Fisher for making vague allegations in public about things he's legally not allowed to go into detail about. Which is really all anyone's annoyed about - "He keeps SAYING 'something happened' but where's the beef? WE WANT THE DIRT!" and by all evidence that's going to be resolved behind closed doors. He's not in a position to feed the public's hunger for all the grimy details at this time. But it'll all come out eventually. No sense getting mad at HIM about it.

I get it, "Name the names, give us the dirt or just shut up and go away." But that's not really realistic nor fair.

I really liked him as Cyborg and it's kind of a shame his career's definitely over. BUT, I always admire anyone who's willing to sacrifice such a lucrative career over personal convictions. 99.9% of people would do the exact opposite, they'd take the money and silently make their grievances go away, like all the Weinstein chicks did for 20+ years until a certain hashtag became popular. Obviously Ray Fisher doesn't think being a "movie star" is as important as what he's trying to do. Alright, fine. How does that make him a bad person? Because we're all annoyed that he won't dish the dirt? C'mon.

If a guy in his position is willing to cut his own throat to prove a point, then Something Happened.

[Turo602]

What I don't get is why so many people are fixated on the guy "ruining" his Hollywood career like he ever had one. The guy was in one movie, two if you count Batman v Superman. He was never a Hollywood actor. Justice League came out 3 years ago, he hasn't been in anything since and just started b*tching about these things this year. Ray Fisher is a theater actor, he has nothing to lose by exposing some Hollywood douchebags. "Oh my god, no one is going to work with him again." How the f*ck is that relevant?

[Leo656]

Like I said, it feels like most people are simply commenting on it out of annoyance. Just like they want Corey Feldman to go away since he likewise won't "dish the dirt". He's still not a bad person for ringing the bell about what he's trying to expose. People are just wired to react that way. "Name the names or shut the f*ck up, already, we're sick of you."

But that isn't entirely fair. BUT, that's pretty much what's going on.

Same thing in a sense happened during the whole "Snyder Cut" build-up over the last few years to begin with. People were getting to a point where it was like, "Release it, DON'T release it, whatever, just SHUT UP about it, already." And I get that. When you hear so much about something repeatedly but there's nothing substantial to go along with it... yeah, I get how that can be annoying.

It still isn't fair to get pissed off at Ray Fisher, though. Assuming something bad did happen, he's right to bang a drum even IF he can't give out all the juicy details to Variety or whatever about it. We're programmed to want those details, sure, and it's frustrating not to get them. But you can't shoot the messenger, either.

[Sumac]

I don't care much about Fisher one way or the other, I am just annoyed when people make allegations and then don't follow with it, limiting themselves to saying vague stuff, which can be interpreted however you want.

If you are really that pissed off at someone, spill the beans and be done with it. That would be "brave and stunning" in my opinion. Constantly whining from the corner: "those are the bad guys, they hurt my feelings" without saying what exactly had happened, is fruitless and makes the whole allegations look like a joke and accuser like an idiot.

[AquaParade]

Ray Fisher has been straight up weird about this.
Going off on false accusations, like blaming Whedon for color correction, which several people were involved in (btw the main colorist was Zack Snyder's main guy - whoops!) and Ray clearly doesn't understand the process of, to complaining about things that are standard, like his make-up guy not getting credit because he wasn't hired through a contract by the studio - standard fare that Ray tried to circumvent to get his homie in the credits.

Now Forbes is having to retract statements Fisher heard from someone else on set and shared with Forbes, because Whedon's attorney challenged it and they realized their "source" was totally weak. Retracted.

Fisher keeps publicly accusing people and lambasting them for serious "abuse" allegations, and dragging them through dirt for months but can't really tell you why...yet he needs your support!

Umm no. If you aren't in a position to share with the public, you dont ask the public to help you in the support of condemning others. That is ********.
Not to mention, if something terrible happened, you can be specific. There is no legal ramification for publicly sharing the truth. He's got nothing, which is why he is being so vague.
Don't be easily fooled. It's the equivalent of JJ Abrams "what's in the box?" type storytelling, for those of you can understand that reference.

Also, this ain't a risk for Ray. If anything, this publicity stunt was his only shot at a life preserver in a world where his big screen debut was completely botched (no wonder he is so angry). We are in the age of "me too". All it takes is the right type of abuse, in the public eye, to score tons of sponsorships and brand ambassador roles. Being a victim is "in" and if you weren't aware, you aren't paying attention. This wasn't a valiant self-destruct, it was a "screw you, I'm getting mine."

By the way, only Mamoa backed him up, and it was buried deep inside his Instagram "story" with a small blurb for Ray, that still stopped short of condemning anyone at WB. It ain't a strong showing of support. Felt like an awkward bone toss.

[Andrew NDB]

I just want the Geoff Johns stuff to be true, and verified.

[IMJ]

See, where I sort of don't subscribe to the "conviction to belief" analysis regarding Fisher is that more and more I'm believing, experiencing and witnessing people having conviction about their "perceived slights".

So I think most of us would agree that it's more likely you'll dig deep in to defend yourself when you really believed you've been wronged. But I'm not arguing whether or not someone should do that. Instead, I'm saying that there are a lot of people out there saying they've been "wronged" and that they are "stunning and brave" for fighting it.

But none of that matters when the wrong that was done to you wasn't anything more than your perception or creation of an enemy where there was none to begin with. And I'm seeing a lot of that across society today.

But it's hard to explain that to people as an operating model. This is because the same assholes that are creating narratives, creating enemies to fight against would simply use the same logic against the assertion that their issues are mostly being greatly exaggerated or twisted in their own head. They just tell you that now you are hating on them too. It's a circumplexic psychology. It's unfalisfiable. It's irrational in many, many cases.

[ranger_scout]

The investigation has concluded. Remedial action is going to be taken and Fisher seems to be in a good mood.

Justice League’: WarnerMedia Says It’s Concluded Investigation, ‘Remedial Action’ Taken

[IMJ]

Ah. An internal Warner Media Investigation. I'm sure that was legit in every way and won't pander to the court of public opinion as solicited by Cyborg-guy at all whatsoever.

Honestly, I care less about the whole event and more that people in society pay attention to it and give power and credibility to the assumed formality of these institutions of entertainment. Whedon was probably a bad boss, under pressure, on a film that he inherited. If anything of real note took place it would've been said outright. This seems more like the complaint of a person using being "offended" as a power play. It's probably a 1/3 true situation that most normal, well adjusted people would've just worked through.

I'm fine being wrong and something actually awful happened, but if it was worth all of this drama then why wasn't whatever was so awful actually pointed out? Don't tell me it's because Fisher kept it under wraps out of respect. Bull **** on that as an answer.

[Leo656]

See, that's very much a "mark question". And it's only natural as a member of the audience to want someone to "dish the dirt", name the names, get all the juicy gossip, etc. etc.

But the plain fact is that regardless of how benign or severe the situation may or may not have been, there are usually legal reasons as to why they can't do that. The person making the claims can open themselves up to legal action, for one thing. It's a standard thing about the entertainment business but it's not exclusive to it. When I was hired at the gym I worked for for ten years, I signed papers saying that I wouldn't do things like publicly rip the company, divulge things that went on as far as business practices, etc. etc. Like if I went out and made public statements about closed-door arguments my boss and I have had - and there were plenty - he can sue me. Even if what I say happened happened, he can sue me for a number of reasons and then it's on me to get myself out of that situation.

I can only imagine that a billion-dollar company has similar systems in place. Ergo, Ray Fisher can say "Something Happened" but he most likely legally cannot go into detail without opening himself up to a number of problems.

These things happen all the time, it's not really that hard to figure.

[Andrew NDB]

It's only a pity they can only fire Geoff once. Which they did, basically.

Though he better hurry up! There's only a couple of weeks in December. He needs to get a move on if the script for "Green Lantern Corps" 2020 he was "promoted" away from being WB Entertainment CEO and DC CCO to finish is to be filming.

[Autbot_Benz]

Whose ready for Rated R Justice League with Batman saying the F World from Hack Snyder

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/za...ord-reactions/

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Whose ready for Rated R Justice League with Batman saying the F World from Hack Snyder

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/za...ord-reactions/

Oh yeah. Gimme that dead Dick Grayson.

Still though, I'm far more interested and excited in this than Joss Whedon's abysmal Frankenstein League. At least this won't be BORING.

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy

Oh yeah. Gimme that dead Dick Grayson.

Still though, I'm far more interested and excited in this than Joss Whedon's abysmal Frankenstein League. At least this won't be BORING.

more power to ya.

[Leo656]

How dare people talk in movies like people talk in real life.

This series of films was never "for kids". People need to get over it and not whine about every stupid little thing. It's violent and "edgy" because they're trying to inject a little realism into things. You're allowed not to like it but it's definitely not "wrong".

People can watch their Marvel cartoons where people react to alien invasions and people getting killed with a bewildered "golly gee!" or whatever if they're offended by Batman dropping one use of the word "f*ck". Jesus. Such whining about absolutely nothing.

I'm glad that at least one series of super-hero movies treats the audience like adults and the material as if it were actually happening in real life, with the characters acting and reacting accordingly. It's not like there's no other options for super-hero movies out there. Be great if people could like what they like instead of taking the piss out of what they don't. I don't know how many times the phrase "It simply wasn't made for you" needs to be repeated in a single 5-year conversation.

[CylonsKlingonsDaleksOhMy]

I have very little issue with Batman saying fvck.

Dick Grayson saying "fvck Batman", I'm still pissed over.