Wonder Woman 1984

[Sumac]

Fixed. For some reason I thought about Disney.
Guess, all those comic book movies mixed in my head.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Certain people will make sure of it. Though if Trump loses... "CNN: It turns out the virus isn't as deadly as we thought." Etc..

I'm pleased to see there is 1 theater open here, 30 miles away. Will go and see Tenet when I can afford to.

WB had best hope that he wins or else the movie will lose a lot of its bite.

They made Max Lord into a Trump stand-in on purpose and have been crowing about that, and how Diana is "taking the fight to the White House" in this one. That's the kind of dated schlock that only plays well under very specific conditions. If Trump's not in the big chair by the time the movie comes out, then the movie all but loses its entire raison d'etre.

I mean, the "raison d'etre" SHOULD have just been, "Make a good sequel to a really good movie and leave out the agendas entirely" BUT we all know how that sh*t generally goes nowadays.

But yeah, WB had best hope Trump is still in by the time the movie comes out or the entire "Message" is gonna fall entirely flat. Like that joke in one of the early "Transformers" movies about the unseen President character being an idiot hick yokel. Obviously a shot at Bush, they wouldn't have done that "joke" if it came out in the Obama era. Which is another reason why you really shouldn't work so hard to cram nonsense like that in, it ultimately serves little purpose and dates things pretty badly for future audiences.

BUT Y'KNOW.

[Vegita-San]

Now I kind of want trump to loose just to make them seem like even bigger idiots.

although we better hope trump wins. just look at the mess democratic controlled states like NYC and portland are in.

[Leo656]

Or not even states, just look at long-suffering cities like San Fran and Detroit. Or over here, look at Newark. Lookit all that money taken in from bloated taxation programs. Lookit all the good those "social welfare" programs do with all of that tax money, what with all the garbage in the streets and unfettered gang activity and people shooting up in broad daylight, defecating in the streets like dogs. It's amazing how AWESOME those places turn out after 50+ years of Democrat control and all of their "Here's some free needles, and by the way, go shoot up in the bathroom at Subway, they're not allowed to call the cops on you" stuff. I know when I see families with kids having to step over the homeless guy with the needle in his arm sleeping in his own feces, I think, "THAT is a place where the people in charge have everything figured out and running smoothly."

THIS TIME THEY'LL FIGURE IT OUT, THOUGH! HONEST!


It's not like there's a hundred years of evidence suggesting they all just tell Very Pretty Lies, then take the money and run while leaving everyone to fend for themselves. They're the Good Guys!

Such a goddamn joke. BUT, the lies are pretty, so... y'know.

To me, politics is just another religion. People need to believe in Good Guys and Bad Guys so they don't kill themselves in despair once they realize the universe is a cold and unfeeling place where nothing matters and there isn't anyone in a position of "higher power" who cares about them whatsoever.

Kinda like in the writings of Lovecraft. If people knew the truth about reality, they'd simply go mad. Me? I know the truth and I'm already mad, so I heckle from the cheap seats and laugh at the people who think that if they just give even MORE money to the swine who keep them down, it'll all turn out okay.

Meanwhile, Detroit and San Francisco say "Hello... and also, can we have some money?"

[MikeandRaph87]

One thing that I wonder. Instead of Maxwell Lord, wouldn't Glorious Godfrey be better for the role in giving Diana and Barbara their desires? It would play into the Darkseid factor and the Millennium event. Yes, Lord,who was not a villain suddenly was and famously had to be killed by Wonder Woman to free Superman. Putting Godfrey in the scenario it would fit into the direction of the movie universe while more in line with the overall comics. Max's sudden heel turn never made much sense.

[Leo656]

It made sense when they later explained it: His mother died in Coast City and that's when he became a strict humanist who believed that leaving humanity's fate up to the meta-humans was too dangerous, and that they needed to either be brought to heel or destroyed outright.

The only thing that muddied it was Geoff Johns, as is his wont, added a throwaway line of dialog about "That's why I kept the JLA ineffectual for years" even though he was still operating from a more sincere place in that time period, as Coast City came way later and ostensibly he was at least semi-sincere during his time running the League and didn't become embittered until later on. You can still fudge it if you want to, though... Max was always a devious one, even at his best.

But no, yeah, it DID make sense it just wasn't very easy to accept for a lot of people. Especially Kieth Giffen. But, y'know.
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To your query, nobody knows or cares who Godfrey is and that's probably why. Plus, name is too goofy so they'd never even consider it. You're right though that insofar as what they're doing with the character he would fit better than Max Lord, but the name "Glorious Godfrey" most likely did not come up when they skimmed Wikipedia to try and come up with a villain for their movie but the name "Max Lord" did.

That's all it comes down to. They needed an "Evil White Male" for her to fight, preferably a guy in a suit. "Max Lord". That's the beginning and end of it.

A shame, Max was always one of my favorite characters but I'm not a fan of this approach. Turning him from a manipulative narcissist who's occasionally telepathic into a full-blown Evil Genie is just plain dumb. But they never ask me what I think.

It doesn't matter. Going by the trailers, it's very obvious to me that they plan to skate by on the admittedly gorgeous visuals. That will undoubtedly be enough to make people handwave any problems with the story itself. I wish it weren't so, but it is. "Who cares if they got Max Lord 100% wrong... she's swinging around on lightning bolts, you guys!!!"

I kinda don't even care about this movie, but I might have to see it because my wife's gonna make me.

[NinjaPug]

Bet WB wishes they kept the original November 2019 release date for this instead of pushing it to Summer 2020 thinking it would lead to a bigger box office.

[Leo656]

The very rich and very shortsighted generally find ways to outsmart themselves.

[CyberCubed]

Even prior to the virus, I'm not sure this one would do as well as the first. The first Wonder Woman was riding on the high of "a female superhero" and "a good DC movie" at a time when things were a mixed bag. Not to mention Wonder Woman's first big screen role since uh...the 70's? (not counting her brief scenes in Batman vs Superman)

This might look like it'll suffer from sequel syndrome, and Cheetah in live action gives a weird mix of furry and CATS movie reactions (and CATS just recently bombed in theaters so it's on peoples minds). I also don't like the idea of Steve Trevor coming back to life when he had a pretty good death in the first movie, but eh I guess people like Chris Pine.

I'm sure story wise it'll be a fine movie, but I don't think it was ever going to make as much impact as the first even if the coronavirus never happened.

[ranger_scout]

A Christmas Day release might not be happening.

https://deadline.com/2020/11/wonder-...ds-1234608036/

[sdp]

my city has tons of WW84 merchandise and fast food promotions, it must've been way too late to change any of that. when it releases there wont be much tie in merch, then again its rather boring merch.

[Last Ronin]

I love the tags for this thread.

Strange furry tangent, the future is female lol.

[CyberCubed]

It's 100% being delayed till next year. There's a surge of second wave of corona happening now in the U.S. too, so it's not happening.

[Leo656]

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Last Ronin

I love the tags for this thread.

Strange furry tangent, the future is female lol.

If our future are furry females, can I have a cute catgirl?
Thank you.

[Andrew NDB]

Yeah, big surprise... now they're talking Summer 2021.

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/w...21-1234830975/

[newfan]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Yeah, big surprise... now they're talking Summer 2021.

https://variety.com/2020/film/news/w...21-1234830975/

Hopefully they will hold off on committing to that, I know things won't magically get better overnight but maybe see out winter, we still have that and spring to go yet.
Was it originally due in summer '19, before they decided to delay? I know no-one saw this situation coming but man what a bad move.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by newfan

Hopefully they will hold off on committing to that, I know things won't magically get better overnight but maybe see out winter, we still have that and spring to go yet.
Was it originally due in summer '19, before they decided to delay? I know no-one saw this situation coming but man what a bad move.

Still stupid. I've been to the theaters. They clean the f*** out of them now and I'm not in a casket. If they don't support them they're shooting themselves in the foot.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

WB had best hope that he wins or else the movie will lose a lot of its bite.

They made Max Lord into a Trump stand-in on purpose and have been crowing about that, and how Diana is "taking the fight to the White House" in this one. That's the kind of dated schlock that only plays well under very specific conditions. If Trump's not in the big chair by the time the movie comes out, then the movie all but loses its entire raison d'etre.

I mean, the "raison d'etre" SHOULD have just been, "Make a good sequel to a really good movie and leave out the agendas entirely" BUT we all know how that sh*t generally goes nowadays.

But yeah, WB had best hope Trump is still in by the time the movie comes out or the entire "Message" is gonna fall entirely flat. Like that joke in one of the early "Transformers" movies about the unseen President character being an idiot hick yokel. Obviously a shot at Bush, they wouldn't have done that "joke" if it came out in the Obama era. Which is another reason why you really shouldn't work so hard to cram nonsense like that in, it ultimately serves little purpose and dates things pretty badly for future audiences.

BUT Y'KNOW.

I wonder if they'll have to re-shoot scenes or change the tone now that Trump is out. He'll be nothing but a bad memory come Summer 2021.

[Sumac]

That's the problem with movies that try to be "hip" and "current" - they become old incredibly quick.