Wonder Woman 1984

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I wonder if they'll have to re-shoot scenes or change the tone now that Trump is out. He'll be nothing but a bad memory come Summer 2021.

For you. I made more money every year for four straight, and in one of those I had my highest annual earnings ever.

I had the hardest time finding a job under Obama because his policies made job growth impossible. New employees were "too expensive". THAT'S my "bad memory". I'm unemployed right now, and it's all gonna repeat under Biden. They're already talking about forced shutdowns again and that's gonna lead to MORE people out of work indefinitely.

I don't care who says mean things on Twitter, I care for who stimulates the economy and puts money in my pocket. That's ALL I care about. For me, the next four years look like they're gonna be Hell, if they're anything like Obama's 8.

So yeah, no, my "bad memories" all involve sleeping in my car. Never had that under a Republican President.

They're not gonna reshoot anything for the movie because they have no money with which to do so, AND it would involve changing too much of the script. So it's gonna play weird. They should have just released the movie in 2019 when it was finished. They got greedy, AND assumed that by coming out in Summer 2020, they could "cheerlead" people into voting against Trump, and so in some small way they could say "Wonder Woman helped people vote Trump out" and they could take credit for it. Lo and behold, it didn't work out that way, and now they look like idiots, but not as much as they will when the movie eventually comes out on the internet and they take a $300 million bath.

Hardy-har-har, WB. Frankly, the movie sounds like a f*cking mess anyways. It'll look pretty but the plot is complete ass. Of course, the former will trump the latter. But yeah, this is what they get.

[CyberCubed]

The movie takes place in 1984, what does it have to do with Trump? He was just a business man back then.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The movie takes place in 1984, what does it have to do with Trump? He was just a business man back then.

They're forcibly making Max Lord be like a modern day Trump figure and have been openly bragging about for a while now. At the end Wonder Woman will probably snap his neck so it can be like a wish fulfilment by the left. It is set in 1984, yes, but told through the lens of 2020 liberal anger.

[Leo656]

The Max Lord character as written for the movie is a blatant Donald Trump expy (totally different than his comic book character), and the producers made a ton of noise about how in this movie Wonder Woman is "taking the fight to the White House".

It's not exactly subtle.

[drgon78]

The fact they went the "Orange Man Bad" path with this movie is a huge turn off and with all the delays I am just loosing interest in general. I don't do streaming so if it isn't in theaters, I will not see it.

[Leo656]

Yeah, it's a shame. I really liked the first movie, but I've read a lot about this one and by all accounts, it's going to LOOK amazing visually but the plot and story is complete garbage. Tons and tons of terrible creative choices.

I expect the visuals, soundtrack, and Gal herself will be more than enough for some people. But I'm really unhappy with the creative decisions and story should always be a big part of it.

[sdp]

Originally Posted by drgon78

I don't do streaming so if it isn't in theaters, I will not see it.

Ok boomer!

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by drgon78

The fact they went the "Orange Man Bad" path with this movie is a huge turn off and with all the delays I am just loosing interest in general. I don't do streaming so if it isn't in theaters, I will not see it.

So then wait for the blu-ray, it's not that difficult.

[drgon78]

I am a Gen-Xer, not a Boomer. If I have little or no interest in seeing it, why spend the money to get the Blu Ray!

[Sage Ninja]

Originally Posted by Sumac

That's the problem with movies that try to be "hip" and "current" - they become old incredibly quick.

When I took a screenwriting course this was literally the first thing they told us. Do not write scripts involving "fads" or what is currently "current" because by the time your script gets to production (if it does at all) everything will have moved on to something else, or if it gets made there is the possibility release date can be pushed back by years and it won't be relevant and if something comes off as trying to be hip it just comes across as pretentious and annoying. Also don't use a work of fiction to tell a message, if that is the basis of a work of fiction it will communicate it self to the audience and you will lose them or worse tax their good will towards your work. Movies have themes with complex message related to those themes that might offer social commentary but should only work within that frame work. No movie idea should start off with "I have a biased opinion, how can a wrap a thinly veiled meta narrative around it..." It's going to be sh!t, and deserves to be sh!t on.

This was a beginner screenwriting course, not intermediate, or advanced, BEGINNER. And this was the first thing that was brought up and was really driven home into our brains before we even starting discussing brainstorming ides or screenwriting structure and all that other jazz. So why is this forgotten on the professional level while making movies? Ridiculous.

[Leo656]

It's like Dolly Parton alluded to once. Everybody has strong opinions about things that affect us all, but if you're in the entertainment business it does no good to bang a drum about it because no matter what you're going to alienate almost half of your audience. And that's bad business.

Nobody should ever aspire to be a Seth Rogen type who says dumb sh*t like "Republicans/Trump supporters don't deserve to watch my movies anyway." You don't get anywhere with that kinda sh*t.

[sdp]

Dolly parton also said regarding changing dixie stampede to The stampede

"As soon as you realize that [something] is a problem, you should fix it," Parton adds. "Don’t be a dumbass. That’s where my heart is. I would never dream of hurting anybody on purpose."
https://tasteofcountry.com/why-dolly...from-stampede/

I think it will always be relevant to have Trump like bad guy in a movie just how we have say Nixon or other similar politicians. Let's not act like he wasn't very divisive and rude.

[Sumac]

Boo-hoo-hoo, he was rude to someone else!
Let's make a harassment campaign against someone, because, of it, destroy few statues and destroy some things, because...it somehow will make things better.

Like little kids, honestly.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I had the hardest time finding a job under Obama because his policies made job growth impossible. New employees were "too expensive". THAT'S my "bad memory".

If I had a terrible experience under Obama, I would share it. I didn't, really. But even though I voted for him both terms... yeah, my advancements in both with respect to my income (as in nominal raises) and 401k and my other meager investments... pretty much flatlined for all 8 years, and everyone in my industry around me whose income I was privy to. Not that I was even thinking in terms of politics back then. Under Trump -- until this March -- everything was on a relatively meteoric rise.

A big thing, I think, is when you get older, when you (successfully, even moderately) build a life, when you start a family... you start to realize how impractical the "liberal way" is. It will just undo everything you have built and hurt your loved ones. At least, the current version of the "liberal way" and the trajectory its fans want to shoot it at. Maybe there's 5 good years, then the whole system collapses like in every other socialist country. People without families or livelihoods or maybe pout and feel like they aren't where they should be/aren't special enough... they have less stake in things. They're unhappy anyway. The ones with families and/or livelihoods... it'd be like betting it all (the aforementioned family and livelihood) on Black at a custom roulette table that you can plainly see only has 99% Red spaces for the ball to land in.

I'm unemployed right now, and it's all gonna repeat under Biden. They're already talking about forced shutdowns again and that's gonna lead to MORE people out of work indefinitely.

Where have you been? The whole west coast, all 3 governors have already reinstituted full-on lockdowns. All the gyms and theaters (which account for 0% of the U.S. infections) and restaurants (which account for less than 1% of the U.S. infections) that were allowed to reopen, everyone who went back to work... they're back out of work, with not so much as a glimmer of hope for relief in Unemployment or anything else. "Just stay home, you selfish bastards!" is the party line they're all but saying out loud. Already in effect in OR, goes into effect here in WA at midnight, and Newsom just announced it for CA today. For 2 weeks. Mm-hm. Just like "2 weeks to stop the curve!"

What bothers me the most is the people out there rallying about, "SEE?!? This is why we can't have good things! All you had to do was wear a mask!!!" And they go on to chastise people for not wearing masks. But... I'm not seeing it, myself. Everyone I see on the streets, in the stores, on the sidewalks, going into restaurants seem to be abiding by it all just fine. Are there really, truly trunkloads of people barging into businesses, (like, ignoring the employees telling them to put it on) defying the masks order, getting sick, and then immediately going to get COVID tested? That doesn't sound right. I don't see it. I don't think this is true at all.

And the numbers the governor throw at us are just empty numbers. "Number of reported infections today" doesn't tell us a whole lot of anything. Where? In restaurants, or like nursing homes? ERs? Hospital waiting rooms? Peaceful protests? In their own home when an essential worker brought home COVID, maybe?" Because these are all important questions to be asking to gauge just how much we want to humor the fear mongering media.

*edit: Like, look at this. It looks like they skip one or two whole days at a time of reporting infection cases here in WA weekly (I'm sure the weekend is a component of this, maybe), then play catchup on Day 2 or Day 3 by lumping the last two or three days all together and pretend it's for the present day... thus making it seem like, "OMG!!! 3 times as many infections today!"

I don't care who says mean things on Twitter, I care for who stimulates the economy and puts money in my pocket. That's ALL I care about.

"B-b-but Twitter says he might be a racist! No, I can't prove it but other people are saying it too! Isn't it better if we have someone nobody is saying that about, even if there's bread lines?"

Gets fairly disgusting. Vote for whoever you want and I promise I still won't delete you from my friend's list but, shesus...

They're not gonna reshoot anything for the movie because they have no money with which to do so, AND it would involve changing too much of the script. So it's gonna play weird. They should have just released the movie in 2019 when it was finished. They got greedy, AND assumed that by coming out in Summer 2020, they could "cheerlead" people into voting against Trump, and so in some small way they could say "Wonder Woman helped people vote Trump out" and they could take credit for it.

You know, I never even considered that was the reason. But yeah. Probably. Weaponization of the arts, as usual. Anything in the arsenal that can be used to remove the mean orange man, whatever the cost.

Whoops.

Hardy-har-har, WB. Frankly, the movie sounds like a f*cking mess anyways. It'll look pretty but the plot is complete ass. Of course, the former will trump the latter. But yeah, this is what they get.

WW with no sword (apparently for the whole movie?) and fake Steve Trevor are mostly what I can't get my head around.

Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

When I took a screenwriting course this was literally the first thing they told us. Do not write scripts involving "fads" or what is currently "current" because by the time your script gets to production (if it does at all) everything will have moved on to something else, or if it gets made there is the possibility release date can be pushed back by years and it won't be relevant and if something comes off as trying to be hip it just comes across as pretentious and annoying. Also don't use a work of fiction to tell a message, if that is the basis of a work of fiction it will communicate it self to the audience and you will lose them or worse tax their good will towards your work. Movies have themes with complex message related to those themes that might offer social commentary but should only work within that frame work. No movie idea should start off with "I have a biased opinion, how can a wrap a thinly veiled meta narrative around it..." It's going to be sh!t, and deserves to be sh!t on.

This was a beginner screenwriting course, not intermediate, or advanced, BEGINNER. And this was the first thing that was brought up and was really driven home into our brains before we even starting discussing brainstorming ides or screenwriting structure and all that other jazz. So why is this forgotten on the professional level while making movies. Ridiculous.

All good points.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Where have you been?

In NJ, where people aren't complete f*cking idiots who roll over at every new panic.

I literally just joined a gym, and after 8 months it was desperately needed, so they better not f*ck this up for me.

[Roseangelo]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

What bothers me the most is the people out there rallying about, "SEE?!? This is why we can't have good things! All you had to do was wear a mask!!!" And they go on to chastise people for not wearing masks. But... I'm not seeing it, myself. Everyone I see on the streets, in the stores, on the sidewalks, going into restaurants seem to be abiding by it all just fine. Are there really, truly trunkloads of people barging into businesses, (like, ignoring the employees telling them to put it on) defying the masks order, getting sick, and then immediately going to get COVID tested? That doesn't sound right. I don't see it. I don't think this is true at all.

This is the thing that is bothering me most right now. I really can't comprehend how so many people are getting this thing when I see a majority of the people complying with the mask mandates and social distancing.

The only person I know through my Facebook feed who has gotten it got it when they attended a funeral and "forgot" about masks and distancing while gathering together.

While the California dictator rolled back the status of many counties today, my county has still never left the highest tier of restrictions. Why? Because it's a large county that has a large Hispanic population in pockets of areas within the county and those are the people who are testing positive. I can only speculate as to why, but they tend to live with a lot of people in small spaces, and they also tend to gather together outside of just their household.

Meanwhile, the part of the county that is fueled by tourists who just want to look at pretty scenery are dying because they either can't open, their operations are severely restricted, or there is just a lack of people out spending money. But yes, let's keep punishing the businesses who are doing everything right and actually aren't the problem.

Ugh.

[Leo656]

It's been stated repeatedly by now that people are going to get sick no matter what we do. As in full precautions, no precautions, either way, people get sick and a few of them die.

Well, that sucks, but them's the breaks. Precautions, sure. Common sense is common sense. But punishing literally everyone over a thing that's only going to truly affect a comparatively small number of people is absolutely ludicrous.

If it's TRULY unavoidable and some people are gonna catch it no matter what - y'know, like what happens with ANY other virus - then this has to be handled case-by-case and not try to "solve" it by shutting everyone indoors over and over again for lengthy periods of time. That isn't going to work. If people are going to catch it with or without a shutdown... then don't bother shutting down.

Some people are going to catch it not matter what precautions are taken. But MOST people, apparently, are not going to, or if they get it they won't suffer from it. Let the old, the obese, the pill-poppers, the asthmatics and the chain-smokers all shut themselves in and hide under the bed, since they're the ones most at risk. Fine. That's common sense. Makes sense for them to play it super-safe, and if they don't wanna go out, they don't have to.

The rest of us have f*cking lives, thanks very much. And shaking in a corner terrified of "germs" ain't exactly living it.

[Coola Yagami]

I think the issue is, regardless of right or left, people handled this terribly. What part of don't go outside do people not understand? They did all these BLM protests and whatnot. What part of don't go outside do they not understand? Then huge gathering for political rallies. WHAT PART OF DON'T GO OUTSIDE DO THEY NOT UNDERSTAND.

Two weeks would have solved this had everyone listened. No one did, or rather not enough people did. Now look where we are. Imagine all the jobs, businesses and oh I dunno, LIVES, that could have been saved had everyone done what they were supposed to for 2 weeks. EVERY ONE. EVERY. LAST. ONE.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I think the issue is, regardless of right or left, people handled this terribly. What part of don't go outside do people not understand? They did all these BLM protests and whatnot. What part of don't go outside do they not understand? Then huge gathering for political rallies. WHAT PART OF DON'T GO OUTSIDE DO THEY NOT UNDERSTAND.

Two weeks would have solved this had everyone listened. No one did, or rather not enough people did. Now look where we are. Imagine all the jobs, businesses and oh I dunno, LIVES, that could have been saved had everyone done what they were supposed to for 2 weeks. EVERY ONE. EVERY. LAST. ONE.

I don't know... like I've said elsewhere, if differently... it's a bit like basic training in the military. Like, if someone can't keep up, the drill sergeant will say to everyone else, "Private Gomez can't keep up? Hah! I guess that means 5 more laps for EVERYBODY!!! Get to it!" making it so that everyone is then mad at Private Gomez, and the whole group sort of self-polices itself into order at that point (i.e., they will probably beat up Private Gomez later on, or something).

Except I'm not entirely convinced there even is a Private Gomez in this situation. They're kind of just throwing empty, scary numbers at us without any useful data behind it (what counties? how many of these are asymptomatic people and not even sick at all, what %? how many of these came from just nursing homes? etc.). I don't see really anyone in the streets of Seattle or in businesses not adhering to the mask thing... yet it's "I hate you people!! It's all your fault! If only you'd just wear masks!!! So irresponsible/selfish!!" all over the interwebs. Even the "maybe people are getting infected en masse in the 'peaceful protests'?" type things. Now, I do think the people attending those things are pretty dumb if they're honestly scared of the virus, but I just have a hard time believing, like, a lot of 19-24 year old guys or girls who just threw bricks into a window or are lighting cop cars on fire or whatever it is, get a cough a couple of days later and then dutifully make sure to check into the nearest COVID testing center. They probably get a little sick for a couple of days and bounce back in a week and that's that and you'll never hear about it, if they had symptoms at all. I think something else is going on. I'm not saying they're pulling numbers out of the ether exactly, but I'm 100% sure we're not getting the real deal. We can't be.

And about that original "2 weeks to flatten the curve"? We didn't know what the hell it was back then. Everyone was scared. Hell, I was scared -- all we knew was some alleged super flu was spreading everywhere. Everyone pretty much played ball back then, particularly during those two weeks... now? Now people will pretty much wear the mask, but the fear isn't what it was. It's there, of course, but there aren't nearly as many unknowns.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Leo656

The rest of us have f*cking lives, thanks very much. And shaking in a corner terrified of "germs" ain't exactly living it.

this is mostly what it boils down too. you most likely arn't going to die from it, and at worst you loose your sense of smell.

That, and we've been in this for about 6 months now, and we STILL don't really know anything concrete about it and the rules seem to change by the week. Remember those glass partitions we where supposed to get? yeah, apparently not so effective....smh.

It's just basically a matter of 'is this really needed' for me. and wearing a mask outside jogging, or while your in your own car by yourself with your windows closed, or sitting at your own desk is on the 'not needed' category. and this is from someone who used to wash money in the washer cause it might be dirty at the peak of my OCD.